Land Rover Discovery 2 Td5 Landmark
Land Rover Discovery 2 Td5 Landmark
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christhreadgill

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236 posts

43 months

Friday 22nd July 2022
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Long time lurker, and after having read through some fantastic reader's threads over the last few months (normally fast barges, titivating of old sheds, and the track toy stuff) I thought I would turn my hand at my own.

Between myself and my fiancé, we have 4(!) cars - a 2002 Honda Civic Type R track toy, a 2019 Ford Fiesta ST-3 as my daily driver, a BMW E91 335i M-Sport Manual wagon, and the reason for this thread, a 2004 Land Rover Discovery 2, with the Td5 engine in "Landmark" trim. I think what the weirdest thing about our little stable, is that we both have a strong dislike for silver cars, for whatever reason. So, you've guessed it - all 4 are silver! confused

So, last year, we decided that her ladyship needed a new car. She works with horses, and so is constantly in & out of rutted roads, muddy yards etc etc. After a long stint in an ST150 which was dying on us, I had just moved on from an old mk2 Toyota RAV4 3dr, and donated it as I thought it was an ideal "yard car" for her. She didn't like it, and it didn't hang around for too many months.

Then we picked up a 2010 Ford Kuga TDCi "Titanium" in pearlescent white, 19" alloys, black leather interior, fully heated & electric, glass roof, tow bar etc. It was sold to us as the 4x4 model, but on arrive it was the FWD version, and the dodgy dealer refused to take acceptance of his mis-advertisement. Decided it was a nice enough car, so I proceeded to fit 4x brand new Pirelli Scorpion Zero tyres (M+S and 3PMS rated) in 235/45/19 sizes for a pretty penny. The reason behind that being that a FWD on proper tyres would be better than a SUV 4X4 on ditch finders. However, shortly after the car died from an electrical issue. Turned out to be the electrics in the back of the clocks were a common fault. Found a local company that could repair them, got the car running, and sold it on for what we bought it for, minus the near £1,000 of tyres (trade price, through my brother-in-law who runs a Bosch Service Centre in South London).

Another car was therefore needed, and I was told it "must" be a "proper" 4x4 this time. I had just jumped out of my 2013 Mitsubishi L200 Barbarian into my ST-3 due to starting a new job, and so it coincided nicely that I would do with a replacement tow car for the track toy as well. The Discovery popped up on a local horsey Facebook group, I gave the chap a call & a viewing was arranged. 2004, 150k on the clock, and absolute stacks of paperwork/history. A good test drive, a price was agreed, cash exchanged hands, and here it was back at the yard:



Silver, black leather, twin sunroofs, completely stock and only a few signs of odd rust here & there. Tow bar fitted & all the electrics worked - which was a bonus.

I think I've rambled enough for now, but I'll do a new post soon, as we are already 6 months into Land Rover ownership, and have already had some surprises and adventures along the way!

Nicks90

703 posts

75 months

Friday 22nd July 2022
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Looks good, but do checked between the fuel tank and chassis rails. It's really tight and mud gets trapped up there and rots the chassis legs out. There should be a 2cm gap between the inside of the chassis and the tank on both sides. If its less than that or even touching the tank, the steel has blown out and its toast / new rear quarter chassis needed.
But they are good donks and run forever if serviced right.

miniman

29,051 posts

283 months

Friday 22nd July 2022
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I ran our TD5 from 60k to 150k, only issue was battery drain from the disconnected air suspension compressor and the steering lock broke. Otherwise it cruised up and down France and Belgium loaded to the roof brilliantly.

jumare

482 posts

170 months

Friday 22nd July 2022
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We've had a D2 TD5 for about 12 years a very late model with thick roof rails, now on 150k miles. Bought for towing duties, horses have gone but the Disco stays, it's part of the family now!

It's had all the usual D2 faults,
- 3 Amigos ABS fault (cured by extra earths)
- oil in wiring harness
- FPR leaks
- rust in rear chassis

plus, a few rear suspension bags, an air leak in the fuel system that resulted in injector seals, fuel pump & filter. Window winder and window seal, there are still some seals that could do with replacing. It's most recent indiscretions was a sticking rear caliper and a broken rear diff.

Currently has an intermittent non starting unless you have the ignition on for a whole, related to getting air in the fuel system, and lots of wind noise.

I do like that your wheel arch plastics are black and not grey and bobbly like ours.

If you've got sunroofs make sure you check the drains.

christhreadgill

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236 posts

43 months

Monday 25th July 2022
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First update the old Landy needed, was some new gaiters. The faux-leather on the originals was all flaking off, so I ordered up a new set of 3 (gear stick, low range selector, handbrake) and swapped them in. No photos of before, but here are the new ones in the car, complete with 18 years worth of grime stuck inside the knobbly rubber matt-thingy! Need to pull this out and attack it with the jet wash / a drill & brush attachment with some cleaning stuff.



Also gave it a jet wash, and fitted some front/side/rear light guards. As the car spends a lot of it's time down tight country lanes, and therefore a lot of time being chucked into the nearest bush to create a passing space, we decided it would help & also makes it look a bit more "adventure" spec. Fitted a black chequered plate panel to the bonnet, to help break up the dreaded silver!

Also gave all the external black trims a good spruce up with some "back to black" trim treatment.



Private plate also fitted (she is using my spare for now as it hadn't been assigned to anything on the fleet), as apparently driving round with a "54" on the plate makes the car seem old! eek

One thing I had noticed when we viewed the old bus, was that the rear mudguards were hanging on for dear life due to the rusted out carrier panels. Seems like a very common thing on these cars, so I had ordered up some new bracketry to sort that out. Spent about an hour each side with the drill & angle grinder to release the remnants of the old brackets, before fitting the nice new black powdercoated items.




andrewc2102

27 posts

126 months

Monday 25th July 2022
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I love D2's, I've run two and the last one UI had for 4 years and used as my daily, of roading, towing, everything really.

I can't honestly say it was plain sailing though the maintenance was felt like it was almost constant luckily parts are cheap and mine never went near a garage but I can see why a lot of these end up poorly maintained as if I'd had to use garages the maintenance would have been many many times more than the value of the car biggrin

Changing the gearbox on the driveway was a particular highlight...

I hope you have better luck with yours, they are the last true utilitarian Landrover design in my opinion, as the defender never really changed.

Got4wheels

532 posts

47 months

Monday 25th July 2022
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Gearing up to be a great thread! Can't remember the last time I saw a D2

Michael

christhreadgill

Original Poster:

236 posts

43 months

Tuesday 26th July 2022
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Being a twin sunroof model, I was aware that they can suffer from leaks. My Dad used to have a 54 plate Disco 2 TD5 also, in a dark green on a cream perforated Alpaca leather interior. That one had leaky sunroofs, and guess what - so did ours!



As (un)luck so happened, about a month into ownership the clutch gave up. I managed to start the old bus in 3rd gear and limp it to a local Indy "Juice Motors" in Ide Hill just up the road. The guys managed to fit it in the next day, with a new clutch kit, DMF, and a couple of oil lines which were looking suspect.

Whilst it was in with them, had a few more jobs done as it was just easier to get it all done at once:

Fully seal up both sunroofs (she doesn't use them anyway) & pull the fuses out, in order to alleviate the wet dash/radio syndrome.
Replaced the rear anti-roll bar links, as they had popped out of their sockets.
Slap on some gloss black modular wheels in 16" x 8" ET25 guise, along with 255/75/16 Toyo All Terrain tyres. The old standard 18" wheels were corroded & kerbed within an inch of their life!
Investigate & fix an electrical fault where the side lights went off when braking, without the brake lights coming on. Turned out to be a cracked NSR light cluster causing water ingress related corrosion to the rear loom. Replaced with a 2nd hand unit off a donor Disco they had on site.







I could have opted to get a full service carried out as well, but as the total bill was already nearing £4k for all the above, I decided I could devote a Saturday morning in the near future to replace the oils & filters and keep some man-maths funding in the Kitty. Especially with the MOT looming in just a few short months.

Overall, we're really pleased with the car. Does everything we ask of it, is surprisingly frugal on the diesel, and on long journeys (day trips for family visits, taking the dogs down to the coast etc) it is ever so comfortable. My only complaint being that you need to judge a double-decker bus sized gap to pull out of a junction due to the woeful pull away speeds.

Shortly after picking it back up from the Indy, she was out competing at a week long showjumping event in Chepstow, South Wales. The Landy was at home (doesn't tow the horses with the Landy, has an option of a 3.5T, 18T or 26T lorry depending on how many 4 legged passengers are required!) and I duly decided to "pop along" on a Saturday afternoon from our place in Surrey. The Landy swallowed up the near 300 mile round trip with ease - just wish it has Cruise Control really!

miniman

29,051 posts

283 months

Tuesday 26th July 2022
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christhreadgill said:
The Landy swallowed up the near 300 mile round trip with ease - just wish it has Cruise Control really!
Cruise control is a really easy retrofit - I did it to mine.

http://www.discovery2.co.uk/cruise_install.html

Shuff4

217 posts

108 months

Tuesday 26th July 2022
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As mentioned, cruise can easily be fitted, I need to be doing it to mine.

Remaps are simple on these too, help them take off a little better, still stick to 70 or below on the m’way.

Mines had a few £££ thrown it’s way, full suspension change, new callipers lines and consumables.

I’ve recently fitted a Xtrons Screen to make it a better place to be, phone, sat nav and dab.

christhreadgill

Original Poster:

236 posts

43 months

Thursday 28th July 2022
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So, what do you get when you mix Land Rover steel with 18 years of British weather & road salts?



NSR shock mount has torn itself from the chassis rail. Booked it in with the aforementioned Indy, who were able to swiftly replace the top mount, weld back onto the chassis, and get the truck back on the road ... for about 10 days. Queue the "yes well we did have some trouble getting a good weld, so not surprised it has failed again so soon" from the other end of the phone. Dropped it back off, and was suitably told that the chassis was knackered and I'd need at least a rear 1/2 replacement chassis swap done, for the princely sum of £6,500. Or as it was referred to back indoors - the same price to buy & have all the work done so far!

Man maths inspired discussions were held, and an online order of a MIG welder, some 3mm steel sheet, some new cutting & grinding discs for the angle grinder etc followed. I'll give it a crack myself, I thought! MOT was in about 6 weeks time, so if it doesn't get through, time to find a new barge before this one becomes a bork bus!






I ended up having to cut a sizeable section out of the box section chassis rail to find some solid steel again. Now, having never welded before, I bought excess 3mm steel than I needed, so I could do some practice runs in the garage before taking the MIG to the truck itself. Even so, my first attempt was admittedly woeful. I think the professional term would be "pigeon scensoredt".



I really wasn't happy with it, and found that whilst doing some test runs in the garage in shorts & a t shirt was easy enough, when you're hauled up in a wheel arch & sometimes on your back, welding splatter dropping down your clothing isn't fun. I ground back all my welds, took off the first attempt, chucked on a thick hoody & some jeans and tried again.

Second attempt was much better. Welds were visually improved, shinier (apparently that's a good sign) and looked much more like my test sessions in the garage. I was very happy indeed.



I don't claim to be a professional welder / metal worker / car restorer, but I do appear to have an extremely stiff-hinged wallet, especially when it comes to this sort of stuff. Happy to pay good money to specialist workshops for a good job, but I'd much rather "have a go" at a chassis repair and see what happens, than pay over 6 grand for a replacement 1/2 chassis when it might not even need it. I took the truck for a true PH test drive down some of the country lanes near us, hopping it off kerbs / up banks etc to check the quality of my work. It didn't break, so I'd say that's a win. I'm sure the MOT tester will think otherwise when the time comes, however.

christhreadgill

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236 posts

43 months

Monday 1st August 2022
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So after the suspension fiasco, the big test of my driveway repair would be a weekend away with the fiance and our two dogs as a little escape for my 30th birthday. Had booked a little cottage in a small village called Napton-on-the-Hill, in Warwickshire. The big Disco pounded up the M40 effortlessly, and we were soon pulling up the driveway to our home for 2 nights.




Living in a one bed flat, it was nice to have a bit of outdoor space for a weekend to enjoy the morning coffee. And seeing one of your cars from inside the property was a novelty for sure.




We were right on the junction of the Grand Union and Oxford canals, so had some excellent dog walking along the local canal paths, spent an afternoon at Warwick Castle and also wandered the streets of the old part of the town.

Coming home on the Monday, I thought it would be sinful to not stop by what has to be a Pistonhead favourite - Caffeine & Machine. Never been before, and whilst we were only in the Disco and nothing more exotic, it ticked it off the list. Will definitely have to come back for one of the organised meets up there. Were even joined by a full rally spec RS, providing some excellent sounds & smells.



Decided to divert home to Surrey via the Cotswolds, initially to check out Diddly Squat (just to find out it is only open Thurs - Sun), but also means we could stay off the M40, keeping the windows down in the A/C-less Disco to keep the dogs comfortable in the heat. Stopped off in a picture perfect village called Bourton-on-the-Water to grab an ice cream and let the dogs stretch their legs and cool off in the river.




Note the motor museum in the background - will have to take a return visit (dog-less) in the future to take a poke around inside for sure!

Anyway, enough rambling. Aware the update went slightly off-topic in places! But that brings the thread pretty much up to date. Best bit was the suspension survived the trip, and now I know the welding was good enough! It has even passed the annual MOT with zero advisories, which gives a theoretical 12 months of happy motoring ahead! Although, I do know the discs & pads will need renewing, at which point I'll probably flush the fluid, do a full oil & filter change, and maybe even chuck in some fresh shocks as the current ones are 100% on their last legs.

miniman

29,051 posts

283 months

Monday 1st August 2022
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The motor museum is great, lots more in there than you’d expect from the outside. Model village is worth a visit too.

christhreadgill

Original Poster:

236 posts

43 months

Sunday 7th August 2022
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So after the helpful tips on Cruise Control above, I thought I’d give the retrofit a bash, and at the same time try and DIY restore the steering wheel somewhat as it had become shiny & worn out in places.

First job is to pop the airbag out via 2 T30 torx bolts on the back of the wheel. Found it easiest to have the wheel turned 90 degrees for best access. Once undone, pull the airbag off & disconnect (battery off before doing any of this!).



All the bits & pieces for the job ahead.



Found a steering wheel specific leather repair kit on eBay for £25 with good reviews here on PH from others.

It was then a simple case of undoing 4 bolts on the back of the wheel to remove the old cover, replace with the new cover which has the CC cutout (you can just template & cut a hole in existing trim, but I’m too lazy for that!), and then bolt in the CC button module & connect up. All the connectors are already in the wheel, so is very much a plug & play job.

Next, pull the blanking plate out from under the fuel flap release button. With it will come out the connector for the new CC button. Simply replace the old blank with the new CC button (my new button is Grey from a pre-FL model, but it came as a kit with the wheel buttons & replacement wheel trim. Saves me buying all the bits individually).




Et voila! Job done. I refurbished the wheel while it was off the car. Simple job really and everything needed was in the kit I bought. 350 grit wet & dry the leather first, then degrease it & give it some binder solution. Hit it with the 1200 grit, degreaser & binder again. Then build up in thin layers of the colour dye & sealer with the supplied sponge.



It’s not perfect, but short of getting it retrimmed, it’s a good job. Definitely black again, and no shininess. Shame to loose some of the perforations during the process, but can’t have it all at 18 years old with 158k on the clock!

Quick trip to the local jet wash (it’s an old Landy, paint swirls are par for the course), and then I have the interior a good going over to match the fresh wheel.





Next on the list is the front mud guards (the brackets have rotted away the same as the rears had earlier in this thread). Also needs a service.

And after the success of the CC swap, I might do some research into heated & electric seats for up front!

Pistonsquirter

377 posts

60 months

Yesterday (22:34)
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Any updates?? Cool thread just read all, I’m shopping for a silver ES premium and you’ve inspired me, I recon mondial alloys though 👍 which turns out are about £100 a set..