most cost effective Porsche Racing?
most cost effective Porsche Racing?
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GT Two

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3,070 posts

223 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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I know there is a few racing drivers here on PH and I'm looking for some advice from you guys with experience.

What is the best car to use/build/maintain for entry into Porsche racing?

What race series would you recommend?

Many thanks!

98C4S

2,943 posts

221 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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From everything I read - and see whats around, I would think a 996GT3

Saying cost effective is a difficult one as there are so many factors to consider

but 6GT3 on power, reliability, handling, upgrades available (brakes and chassis)

There's always a tracked prepared 996 GT3 or 5 for sale!

MrCooke

796 posts

226 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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A 996 GT3? Really?

Assuming you mean circuit racing, I'd think in order of cheapness :

924
944 / 968
SC / 3.2 / Boxster / 964


Anything GTish will cost many times as much.

If you can't bear the lack of glamour of a front engined car, the new Boxster championship looks like fun :

http://www.porscheracingdrivers.co.uk/


Bill Stein

1,595 posts

240 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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If you want to make a small fortune in motor sport, start off with a big one!
Track days are one thing, racing is another.

Nurburgsingh

5,561 posts

269 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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944's in the cscc future classics or duetche marques series.

Race entry costs are loads lower than the PCGB races and IMHO the race weekends are better run.

graemel

7,230 posts

248 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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Nurburgsingh said:
944's in the cscc future classics or duetche marques series.

Race entry costs are loads lower than the PCGB races and IMHO the race weekends are better run.
+1 except to say use your lovely 964. 40 minute qualifying and 40 minute races. You can enter two drivers and share the costs. (although that can go very wrong). It's what I intend to do with the SSE but on my own.

GT Two

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Friday 20th May 2011
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Nurburgsingh said:
944's in the cscc future classics or duetche marques series.

Race entry costs are loads lower than the PCGB races and IMHO the race weekends are better run.
I am in research mode!

GT Two

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Friday 20th May 2011
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graemel said:
Nurburgsingh said:
944's in the cscc future classics or duetche marques series.

Race entry costs are loads lower than the PCGB races and IMHO the race weekends are better run.
+1 except to say use your lovely 964. 40 minute qualifying and 40 minute races. You can enter two drivers and share the costs. (although that can go very wrong). It's what I intend to do with the SSE but on my own.
Really Graeme?

I was thinking 4k 944 and spending 6k on preparing it.

Nurburgsingh

5,561 posts

269 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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Give EMC in bham a call I think they may have a 944s2 that's already track and race ready that you could buy for not much more than 10k

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They're also involved in running the DM series for the CSCC

freedman

6,018 posts

238 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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Lee,

What about the MSV TRackday series as an introduction

Not Porsche exclusive but a good and cost effective starting point maybe

I'd guess your 964 would be pretty competetive too

http://www.motorsportvision.co.uk/news/article.asp...


NJH

3,021 posts

240 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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ISTR Jonny Smith from 5th gear drove Ben Demetriou's PCGB class 2 944 S2 in the MSVR race at Snetterton last year.

freedman

6,018 posts

238 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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NJH said:
ISTR Jonny Smith from 5th gear drove Ben Demetriou's PCGB class 2 944 S2 in the MSVR race at Snetterton last year.
He did indeed

graemel

7,230 posts

248 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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GT Two said:
graemel said:
Nurburgsingh said:
944's in the cscc future classics or duetche marques series.

Race entry costs are loads lower than the PCGB races and IMHO the race weekends are better run.
+1 except to say use your lovely 964. 40 minute qualifying and 40 minute races. You can enter two drivers and share the costs. (although that can go very wrong). It's what I intend to do with the SSE but on my own.
Really Graeme?

I was thinking 4k 944 and spending 6k on preparing it.
Now here in lies the problem. I may offend but I am entitled to my own opinion so sorry in advance. To be able to tame any version of 911 is very special. It is what floats my boat. Except for the 928GTS, 924, 944S2, 944 turbo and 968 are mind numingly booring to race.

clubracing

387 posts

237 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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A 924/944 in CSCC series will give you the best value in terms of pounds per track time but you won't be able to challege for outright race wins and the wide variety of cars means it's not as competitive as a single make championship.

A second hand 968 in PCGB club championship is the best value if you want to be able to race right at the front and it's a very competitive championship.

Boxster's in BRSCC championship are more expensive than a 968, slightly cheaper than a 911 in PCGB but it is a much newer car and with all the cars being the same type with control parts, it means that driver skill is emphasised more in winning races. The championship has small grids of Boxster's at the minute but more cars are joining the series all the time.

All of these cars are also able to race in CSCC Deutsche Marques.

GT Two

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223 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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graemel said:
Now here in lies the problem. I may offend but I am entitled to my own opinion so sorry in advance. To be able to tame any version of 911 is very special. It is what floats my boat. Except for the 928GTS, 924, 944S2, 944 turbo and 968 are mind numingly booring to race.
I hear you but the 911 racing might have to come later.

944 or 968 are within budget (without racing the 964)

GT Two

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clubracing said:
A 924/944 in CSCC series will give you the best value in terms of pounds per track time but you won't be able to challege for outright race wins and the wide variety of cars means it's not as competitive as a single make championship.

A second hand 968 in PCGB club championship is the best value if you want to be able to race right at the front and it's a very competitive championship.

Boxster's in BRSCC championship are more expensive than a 968, slightly cheaper than a 911 in PCGB but it is a much newer car and with all the cars being the same type with control parts, it means that driver skill is emphasised more in winning races. The championship has small grids of Boxster's at the minute but more cars are joining the series all the time.

All of these cars are also able to race in CSCC Deutsche Marques.
Thank you.

interesting that Boxster is more expensive than 968.

996TT_STEVO

4,078 posts

259 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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Lee, Goose is your man to talk to... I'm doing Classic Racing in 78 SC, I would keep a close eye on the racing scene (Club Porsche Championship, etc) and see if you could pick up a car that's already set up.

clubracing

387 posts

237 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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GT Two said:
Thank you.

interesting that Boxster is more expensive than 968.
Running costs are virtually the same but being a new series with not alot of cars around at the minute, the price of second hand cars are quite high, I think most of the ones that have been advertised recently have been overpriced. However, the cost of a new build for a Boxster is substantially less than the new build of a 968.

I also think a Boxster in PCGB would be unbeatable under the current rules as the BRSCC cars already do lap times comparable to the front running 968's/964's, but without the LSD's, engine remap allowed in the PCGB championship and with relatively unsophisticated dampers.

Edited by clubracing on Friday 20th May 22:55

MrCooke

796 posts

226 months

Friday 20th May 2011
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If you fancy a go in a Boxster Taylors Foundry, who run the top two cars, have another that can be hired on a race by race basis.

GT Two

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Saturday 21st May 2011
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996TT_STEVO said:
Lee, Goose is your man to talk to... I'm doing Classic Racing in 78 SC, I would keep a close eye on the racing scene (Club Porsche Championship, etc) and see if you could pick up a car that's already set up.
Thanks Steve