re: Centre-Lock Wheel Recall For Porsche
re: Centre-Lock Wheel Recall For Porsche
Friday 17th June 2011

Centre-Lock Wheel Recall For Porsche

Porsche gets to the hub of a wheel wear problem for some 911s...



Porsche has announced a recall for its more potent 911 models as the cars' centre-locking wheel hubs can apparently fall victim to premature wear.

As a result Porsche is recalling 911 Turbos, GT2s and GT3s with single-nut wheels in order to replace all four hub assemblies with an improved (and hopefully non-wearing) version.

The recall affects 1702 cars built between 18th May 2009 and 17th September 2010, and owners of affected cars will soon be notified.

Thinking about it, we've got a Porsche Centre lock in the PH office acting as a paperweight; hope fully that won't need to go back to the dealer...

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RatBoy M3CSL

Original Poster:

1,490 posts

225 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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..Quelle suprise.. ! Centre locks on a road car was a stoopid idea to start with, this always happens, when will manufacturers learn...?

They need 600ft/lbs+ to keep them from coming lose, a torque multiplyer or a 7 foot pole, and that's most inconvenient for everyone involved, OPC's + indies, let alone the guy on the hard shoulder with a puncture, a wheel brace and a headache..

Racey looks are a piss poor trade off against safety on a road car IMHO, and I'm a Porsche nut.!

RB...



Edited by RatBoy M3CSL on Friday 17th June 12:12

Tomoose85

1,950 posts

200 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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I did wonder what was wrong with just plain old boring nuts and studs to be honest...

infernal

50 posts

191 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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RatBoy M3CSL said:
They need 600ft/lbs+ to keep them from coming lose, a torque multiplyer or a 7 foot pole, and that's most inconvenient for everyone involved, OPC's + indies, let alone the guy on the hard shoulder with a puncture, a wheel brace and a headache..
Edited by RatBoy M3CSL on Friday 17th June 12:12
the pic says 500 nm... thats only 368.73 lb/ft, no wonder they keep coming loose if thats what you say they need

steve_n

443 posts

231 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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Nobody said anything about the nut coming loose...

It's the hub design that's failing under load.

Frik

13,680 posts

272 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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RatBoy M3CSL said:
..Quelle suprise.. ! Centre locks on a road car was a stoopid idea to start with, this always happens, when will manufacturers learn...?

They need 600ft/lbs+ to keep them from coming lose, a torque multiplyer or a 7 foot pole, and that's most inconvenient for everyone involved, OPC's + indies, let alone the guy on the hard shoulder with a puncture, a wheel brace and a headache..

Racey looks are a piss poor trade off against safety on a road car IMHO, and I'm a Porsche nut.!

RB...
Too right, that's why Porsche are recalling the cars and replacing them with a slightly different design of the same nut... oh hang on.

It's a shame they didn't come to you first for advice, that's for sure.

mhh

1,567 posts

271 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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I've just had my Turbo S done. In 13,000km, this was the first time the car has been back to the dealer.

mhh

1,567 posts

271 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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RatBoy M3CSL said:
, let alone the guy on the hard shoulder with a puncture, a wheel brace and a headache..

Edited by RatBoy M3CSL on Friday 17th June 12:12
Standard wheels won't save you on the hard shoulder if you have no spare.redface

ArosaMike

4,916 posts

240 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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They do look nice, but they're a PITA to get off. We had one at work for a bit, and it took the biggest guy in the workshop bouncing up and down on the end of a 7ft long pole to shift it!

bulldog5046

1,495 posts

207 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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ArosaMike said:
They do look nice, but they're a PITA to get off. We had one at work for a bit, and it took the biggest guy in the workshop bouncing up and down on the end of a 7ft long pole to shift it!
A friend of mine works for a Porsche body repair centre and said something similar, they ended up sending the car back to the dealer to remove the wheels!

CocoUK

1,065 posts

211 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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I reckon they look the pollox & very interesting to hear the issues associated with them on road cars considering the level of testing & motorsport knowledge.

DMC2

2,003 posts

240 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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Maybe this time they'll tell people that if they are taking their car on track they need to get their wheels on at 600nm torque or there is a good chance they will loosen off, like one of mine did...

LindsayMac

569 posts

231 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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steve_n said:
Nobody said anything about the nut coming loose...

It's the hub design that's failing under load.
Phew! and here was me thinking it was something serious!!

Edited by LindsayMac on Friday 17th June 13:01

LindsayMac

569 posts

231 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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steve_n said:
Nobody said anything about the nut coming loose...

It's the hub design that's failing under load.
Phew! and here was me thinking it was something serious!!

Edited by LindsayMac on Friday 17th June 13:40

RatBoy M3CSL

Original Poster:

1,490 posts

225 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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..It's just a piss poor idea off the bat.. a 5 off M12 stud pattern is what you need..!, and forget racey looks on a road car.., and as for a 'speed' feature to change the wheel quickly.. forget it, how long does it take to send the car back to the OPC for them to take the wheel off and return it to you, a day..? now thats a fast wheel change NOT.. they did a recall on the GT cars that find their way to the track and had to be done up to 550nm I believe..

I worked on the XJ220 project, we used 700ft/lbs on those.. but it was a 70mm thread.. a hopeless idea all round, the cone angles need to be soooo accurate to get them to lock on, and the fact of the matter is with disimilar metals and thermal characteristics they will always come lose... and 'not a lot of people know that'.. wink

aceparts

3,724 posts

270 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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As someone famous once said about a window winder - "What was the problem to which this is the solution?"

nobrakelights

29 posts

218 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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The replacement will be new wheels with a larger red 'cap' which can be undone with your fingers!!! That's right!!






Behind it will be 5 M14 bolts....

FatPorker

37 posts

261 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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mhh said:
Standard wheels won't save you on the hard shoulder if you have no spare.redface
May have changed now but when I had my 997 it came with a space saver spare...

monthefish

20,467 posts

260 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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steve_n said:
Nobody said anything about the nut coming loose...

It's the hub design that's failing under load.
Except that, when Sabine Schmitz had a shot of ph'er RDMcG's GT3 RS she insisted that her mechinics checked the centre locks first, as they had had some previous bad experinece with them coming loose...

Mermaid

21,492 posts

200 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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aceparts said:
As someone famous once said about a window winder - "What was the problem to which this is the solution?"
I like that smile

Aesthetics, I suppose.

anonymous-user

83 months

Friday 17th June 2011
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What's wrong with just using spinners that you whack with a mallet to tighten and loosen.

Worked on my old MGB for years driving