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Hi,
Newbie looking for advice from those in the know.
I am on the look out for an air cooled 911, most likely a 993 or 964.
I have my eye on one of each and I will get a Pre purchase inspection carried out prior to buying.
I have never driven a 993 or 964, but I have driven other porsches.
Could someone please tell me if at 6 foot 1, I will have a problem fitting in to a 964/993?
And is there much difference between the two cars?
I know I will get a reply to tell me to go drive both and then decide for myself, but I live in the far North of Scotland where there are not many of these cars to be had. I had planned on getting the car inspected, then flying down to buy it.
Also the heart says 964, but the head says 993.
Any feed back would be appreciated.
Newbie looking for advice from those in the know.
I am on the look out for an air cooled 911, most likely a 993 or 964.
I have my eye on one of each and I will get a Pre purchase inspection carried out prior to buying.
I have never driven a 993 or 964, but I have driven other porsches.
Could someone please tell me if at 6 foot 1, I will have a problem fitting in to a 964/993?
And is there much difference between the two cars?
I know I will get a reply to tell me to go drive both and then decide for myself, but I live in the far North of Scotland where there are not many of these cars to be had. I had planned on getting the car inspected, then flying down to buy it.
Also the heart says 964, but the head says 993.
Any feed back would be appreciated.
Cheers for the feedback guys!
I was told that they were quite tight, so that is good news.
I have driven the Caymen and years ago I had a shot of a 3.0 SC, this was before the beer gut though.
I know a lot has been written about the differences between these cars and I know the 993 gets a better write up than the 964. But I really like the shape of the 964.
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/3222171.htm
The one above has been on for a few weeks now, and is advertised at £14950 on the Autotrader web site.I think I will give the guy a phone tomorrow.
Any questions I should ask?
I was told that they were quite tight, so that is good news.
I have driven the Caymen and years ago I had a shot of a 3.0 SC, this was before the beer gut though.
I know a lot has been written about the differences between these cars and I know the 993 gets a better write up than the 964. But I really like the shape of the 964.
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/3222171.htm
The one above has been on for a few weeks now, and is advertised at £14950 on the Autotrader web site.I think I will give the guy a phone tomorrow.
Any questions I should ask?
Mileage would be a good start 
The two obvious things to look for are rust (scuttle, headlights, rear wings, below rear screen) and a smokey engine.
I'd want to know exactly what was done as part of the engine rebuild.
And consumables add up so the obvious brakes, tyres etc.
After that I'd be relying on a PPI if the above checked out (plus usual 2nd hand car checks), service history and paperwork was in order and I liked the way it drove.
Assuming you want a C4 rather than a C2, at £15,000 it "looks" like a nice car.
ETA - The grey interior is unusual and wouldn't be my first choice, and it has "comfort" seats which most people don't seem to mind but I much prefer Sport seats as I find them noticeably more supportive.
2nd ETA - Nasty wheels (IMO) and just found the mileage on Autotrader - 170k. If the condition is excellent i.e. no rust, nothing mechanical needing doing, then £15k sounds about right. I'd be knocking money off for every issue though given the interior, wheels and mileage. All IMO, of course.
The two obvious things to look for are rust (scuttle, headlights, rear wings, below rear screen) and a smokey engine.
I'd want to know exactly what was done as part of the engine rebuild.
And consumables add up so the obvious brakes, tyres etc.
After that I'd be relying on a PPI if the above checked out (plus usual 2nd hand car checks), service history and paperwork was in order and I liked the way it drove.
Assuming you want a C4 rather than a C2, at £15,000 it "looks" like a nice car.
ETA - The grey interior is unusual and wouldn't be my first choice, and it has "comfort" seats which most people don't seem to mind but I much prefer Sport seats as I find them noticeably more supportive.
2nd ETA - Nasty wheels (IMO) and just found the mileage on Autotrader - 170k. If the condition is excellent i.e. no rust, nothing mechanical needing doing, then £15k sounds about right. I'd be knocking money off for every issue though given the interior, wheels and mileage. All IMO, of course.
Edited by BillyB on Thursday 29th September 21:02
Edited by BillyB on Thursday 29th September 21:09
996ttalot said:
I am sure there are some good 964s out there, but based on the number of cars we see, the ratio is that a lot of them are a money pit. Be careful and make sure you get a really good inspection, because you can buy at 10-15k and have a 10k bill very quickly.
Agreed and 993's are no different. The 964 and 993 are both fantastic cars but I am a very biased air head through and through. I too prefer the 964 look to 993 standard body. Good luck and do your homework. graemel said:
996ttalot said:
I am sure there are some good 964s out there, but based on the number of cars we see, the ratio is that a lot of them are a money pit. Be careful and make sure you get a really good inspection, because you can buy at 10-15k and have a 10k bill very quickly.
Agreed and 993's are no different. The 964 and 993 are both fantastic cars but I am a very biased air head through and through. I too prefer the 964 look to 993 standard body. Good luck and do your homework. We have had some exceptional ones in, but we are just starting a full engine build on one at the moment, have found rust in areas that frankly even a comprehensive inspection would probably miss and so on. Most of the 964s need some TLC.
The question is do you go for one at 15k and be prepared to spend 10k, or buy one at 25k? I probably would go for the former option if I was buying.
Thanks for the feed back 996ttalot.
Would a 993 be a better buy and would it be easier to find a good one?
There is one on PH just now ( 94, C2 manual, blue) that has been well looked after but has 122 000 miles and the guy is after £18 450 for it.
Could it be a good buy or likely to be a money pit? I know these cars take a fare bit of maintenance/money to keep them in tip top condition and this is not an issue. but at the garage every other week would spoil the ownership some what.
it would be used as a second car and used for around 3000 miles per year.
Thanks.
Would a 993 be a better buy and would it be easier to find a good one?
There is one on PH just now ( 94, C2 manual, blue) that has been well looked after but has 122 000 miles and the guy is after £18 450 for it.
Could it be a good buy or likely to be a money pit? I know these cars take a fare bit of maintenance/money to keep them in tip top condition and this is not an issue. but at the garage every other week would spoil the ownership some what.
it would be used as a second car and used for around 3000 miles per year.
Thanks.
I think it would be easier to find a good 993 for 20K with 170,000 miles.
964 looks nice but max it should be is 13-15K and that's max.
http://pistonheads.com/sales/3194438.htm £8500 less than the one you look at.
http://pistonheads.com/sales/3206902.htm Not sure about white and grey still £5000 less.
http://pistonheads.com/sales/2436141.htm £5000 less with a warranty... Good guy as well
http://pistonheads.com/sales/2901896.htm This looks like a nice car and only 92,000 miles
http://pistonheads.com/sales/3217010.htm Now we are at 16,500 and this looks sooooo nice 71,000 miles Only 100,000 miles less.
http://pistonheads.com/sales/3236648.htm But this is the car IMHO Ray Northway has a good rep.
70,000 miles less and £2500 less to pay for your insurance.
None of the cars I have seen so its only an first glance.
But Ray wins the day.
Happy hunting.
JR
964 looks nice but max it should be is 13-15K and that's max.
http://pistonheads.com/sales/3194438.htm £8500 less than the one you look at.
http://pistonheads.com/sales/3206902.htm Not sure about white and grey still £5000 less.
http://pistonheads.com/sales/2436141.htm £5000 less with a warranty... Good guy as well
http://pistonheads.com/sales/2901896.htm This looks like a nice car and only 92,000 miles
http://pistonheads.com/sales/3217010.htm Now we are at 16,500 and this looks sooooo nice 71,000 miles Only 100,000 miles less.
http://pistonheads.com/sales/3236648.htm But this is the car IMHO Ray Northway has a good rep.
70,000 miles less and £2500 less to pay for your insurance.
None of the cars I have seen so its only an first glance.
But Ray wins the day.
Happy hunting.
JR
Boaby said:
Thanks for the feed back 996ttalot.
Would a 993 be a better buy and would it be easier to find a good one?
There is one on PH just now ( 94, C2 manual, blue) that has been well looked after but has 122 000 miles and the guy is after £18 450 for it.
Could it be a good buy or likely to be a money pit? I know these cars take a fare bit of maintenance/money to keep them in tip top condition and this is not an issue. but at the garage every other week would spoil the ownership some what.
it would be used as a second car and used for around 3000 miles per year.
Thanks.
As Graeme said, they both can have their issues. But imo the 993 is a better car and in most cases will be cheaper to run. A major service on a 964 is around £750+vat where as on the 993 it is £550+VAT. Would a 993 be a better buy and would it be easier to find a good one?
There is one on PH just now ( 94, C2 manual, blue) that has been well looked after but has 122 000 miles and the guy is after £18 450 for it.
Could it be a good buy or likely to be a money pit? I know these cars take a fare bit of maintenance/money to keep them in tip top condition and this is not an issue. but at the garage every other week would spoil the ownership some what.
it would be used as a second car and used for around 3000 miles per year.
Thanks.
I would suggest as others have said you drive both first and see which one you prefer. No point in buying a 993 is you really love the 964.
BTW, if you are going for a 964 then go for 1990+ because at least Porsche fitted gaskets to the engine to overcome oil leaks. That is not to say you would still not have an issue, but there is less chance.
Ken
A nice 993 would be easier to find simply because they are younger and there are more available as more were built. Understand the issues, and talk them through with the inspector of your choice. Knock money off for the items highlighted in the inspection. If the car is nice you may need to spend a few hundred and a deal should be easy to do, but if a car needs serious money throwing at it and that is not reflected in the asking price then just walk away. Rust, paint, engine rework all need a grand ++ to be fixed. Dont get hung up on mileage as most will have had money already spent on them to keep them in good shape. Good luck with your search!
Boaby
I would recommend Peter Morgans 993 Buyers Guide which you can get for under a tenner.
Hartechs free on line guide is great aswell.
Also, Jackal did a fab one on his site - http://www.jackals-forge.com/
MTR
I would recommend Peter Morgans 993 Buyers Guide which you can get for under a tenner.
Hartechs free on line guide is great aswell.
Also, Jackal did a fab one on his site - http://www.jackals-forge.com/
MTR
Edited by mollytherocker on Thursday 29th September 23:22
Op there's a lovely looking 964 c2 manual coupe in slate grey at Elmstone Classics in the classifieds.
I've only seen the advert, not the car in the flesh but it looks nice.
103k miles, topend rebuild done and still wearing its D90s, flag mirrors and amber front lenses.
If we were 6 months from now I'd be heading down this weekend for a look.
I've only seen the advert, not the car in the flesh but it looks nice.
103k miles, topend rebuild done and still wearing its D90s, flag mirrors and amber front lenses.
If we were 6 months from now I'd be heading down this weekend for a look.
Cheers for the link to Jackals web site Mollytherocker. The guy seems to have built a 993 out the front of his house, nice car it is as well.
marky911 Thanks for the heads up on the 964. Very nice and clean, it's only the design 90 wheels I do not like. I suppose you can buy cup ones for less than a grand.....,
marky911 Thanks for the heads up on the 964. Very nice and clean, it's only the design 90 wheels I do not like. I suppose you can buy cup ones for less than a grand.....,
Boaby said:
Cheers for the feedback guys!
I was told that they were quite tight, so that is good news.
I have driven the Caymen and years ago I had a shot of a 3.0 SC, this was before the beer gut though.
I know a lot has been written about the differences between these cars and I know the 993 gets a better write up than the 964. But I really like the shape of the 964.
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/3222171.htm
The one above has been on for a few weeks now, and is advertised at £14950 on the Autotrader web site.I think I will give the guy a phone tomorrow.
Any questions I should ask?
That looks a nice car at the money I was told that they were quite tight, so that is good news.
I have driven the Caymen and years ago I had a shot of a 3.0 SC, this was before the beer gut though.
I know a lot has been written about the differences between these cars and I know the 993 gets a better write up than the 964. But I really like the shape of the 964.
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/3222171.htm
The one above has been on for a few weeks now, and is advertised at £14950 on the Autotrader web site.I think I will give the guy a phone tomorrow.
Any questions I should ask?
Late build, recent engine rebuild, KWs, 2 sets of wheels other updates etc looks a very goo deal to me, if all checks out
Edited by freedman on Friday 30th September 22:51
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