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My 993 C2S is approaching new disc / pads time. I'm thinking about going the whole hog and upgrading the whole setup to big red fronts and RS rears. The only flaw in the plan is the £3,000 price tag (parts only!!) that OPC need me to hand over for them.
This puts them out of my price range.
I figure I'll need to buy the RS rears new - no one will have them second hand, but given the big red upgrade was popular on VW's and Audi's as well, I thought someone might know of used parts available somewhere. Anyone..?
Don't mind calipers that need to be refurbished. I'd probably have them repainted in any case.
Cash Waiting if anyone's got them - otherwise does anyone know where to buy for less than OPC price...?
Ta.
This puts them out of my price range.
I figure I'll need to buy the RS rears new - no one will have them second hand, but given the big red upgrade was popular on VW's and Audi's as well, I thought someone might know of used parts available somewhere. Anyone..?
Don't mind calipers that need to be refurbished. I'd probably have them repainted in any case.
Cash Waiting if anyone's got them - otherwise does anyone know where to buy for less than OPC price...?
Ta.
the front calipers from porsche are only around £350 each so no point in going down second hand route. i did the up grade on my 964 but only did the fronts. don't bother with the rears, people only do the rears to make them look nice.
what made it expensive for the 964 is i needed 993RS uprights which are alloy as the big reds won't mount on 964 uprights. to go with the RS uprights is GT2 steering arms. not sure if you need to change the uprights on a 993 to mount the big reds.
the parts all look fairly cheap but if you need to start doing uprights etc it will add up quickly.
the big reds don't really stop the car much quicker than standard brakes becasue the limiting factor when braking is grip from the tyres. if your standard brakes are able to reach the limits of grip for the tyres then the big reds will only make the tyres reach the limit quicker. where the big reds come into there own is keeping the temps down, and you will not get any brake fade. + they look cool.
what made it expensive for the 964 is i needed 993RS uprights which are alloy as the big reds won't mount on 964 uprights. to go with the RS uprights is GT2 steering arms. not sure if you need to change the uprights on a 993 to mount the big reds.
the parts all look fairly cheap but if you need to start doing uprights etc it will add up quickly.
the big reds don't really stop the car much quicker than standard brakes becasue the limiting factor when braking is grip from the tyres. if your standard brakes are able to reach the limits of grip for the tyres then the big reds will only make the tyres reach the limit quicker. where the big reds come into there own is keeping the temps down, and you will not get any brake fade. + they look cool.
Agree - I had them on my 993 C4S. No real benefit on the road to be honest.Only worth doing if you really like the look. Beware though that the disks are way more expensive and for reasons I don't understand rust like mad - ask any good specialist. I had to replace mine at 2yr /10k with barely any wear
I have One rear OS turbo calliper that needs the bleed nipple removed and rebored or something, at the time I couldn't find anyone to do it and bought a new calliper for 500 quid, they had recently been 350 ish but not any more!
After I'd replaced it someone replied to my post saying they got theirs fixed for around 20 or 30 quid.
Anyway, if you can find the other one you can have mine for 50 quid
After I'd replaced it someone replied to my post saying they got theirs fixed for around 20 or 30 quid.
Anyway, if you can find the other one you can have mine for 50 quid
Hi johnycarrera.
Thanks for the offer, but the turbo rear calliper is no good for me on the n/a car. The bias would be all wrong...
I really need turbo fronts and RS rears. Turbo rear discs are the same, but the turbo and RS rear calliper are different.
Appreciate your reply though. Thanks.
As for stopping power - I know there's no real world advantage. I just like the look....
Thanks for the offer, but the turbo rear calliper is no good for me on the n/a car. The bias would be all wrong...
I really need turbo fronts and RS rears. Turbo rear discs are the same, but the turbo and RS rear calliper are different.
Appreciate your reply though. Thanks.
As for stopping power - I know there's no real world advantage. I just like the look....
wildman0609 said:
the front calipers from porsche are only around £350 each so no point in going down second hand route. i did the up grade on my 964 but only did the fronts. don't bother with the rears, people only do the rears to make them look nice.
what made it expensive for the 964 is i needed 993RS uprights which are alloy as the big reds won't mount on 964 uprights. to go with the RS uprights is GT2 steering arms. not sure if you need to change the uprights on a 993 to mount the big reds.
the parts all look fairly cheap but if you need to start doing uprights etc it will add up quickly.
the big reds don't really stop the car much quicker than standard brakes becasue the limiting factor when braking is grip from the tyres. if your standard brakes are able to reach the limits of grip for the tyres then the big reds will only make the tyres reach the limit quicker. where the big reds come into there own is keeping the temps down, and you will not get any brake fade. + they look cool.
Spot on postwhat made it expensive for the 964 is i needed 993RS uprights which are alloy as the big reds won't mount on 964 uprights. to go with the RS uprights is GT2 steering arms. not sure if you need to change the uprights on a 993 to mount the big reds.
the parts all look fairly cheap but if you need to start doing uprights etc it will add up quickly.
the big reds don't really stop the car much quicker than standard brakes becasue the limiting factor when braking is grip from the tyres. if your standard brakes are able to reach the limits of grip for the tyres then the big reds will only make the tyres reach the limit quicker. where the big reds come into there own is keeping the temps down, and you will not get any brake fade. + they look cool.
Used big reds do come up from time to time on ebay but they will still be around £400 and possibly a bit tatty. The RS rears you will have to buy new.
I love my brakes. Whilst i agree that the core improvement is lower temps and that std. 993 brakes are very good, when i changed mine i went to pagis yellows and also the RS pistons are much bigger at the rear so I have to say that it was a massive improvement. I am not known for being gentle on brakes so i personally find them incredible. Best brakes ive ever had.
My costs werent as much as youre saying either. Here is how it went for me:
RS calipers, front (£727)
RS calipers, rear (£705)
RS brake discs, front (£265)
RS brake discs, rear (£252)
front caliper bolts RS (£14)
front brake pads Pagid RS29 (£75)
anti vibration dampers x 16 (£76)
less sale of rear calipers (-£200)
less sale of front calipers (-£230)
less sale of f & r discs (-£160)
Total = £1,524.00
Admittedly i did get the pagids very cheap and your old front 993 pads you just reuse in the rs rears. No point wadting a perfectly good set of pads.
I love my brakes. Whilst i agree that the core improvement is lower temps and that std. 993 brakes are very good, when i changed mine i went to pagis yellows and also the RS pistons are much bigger at the rear so I have to say that it was a massive improvement. I am not known for being gentle on brakes so i personally find them incredible. Best brakes ive ever had.
My costs werent as much as youre saying either. Here is how it went for me:
RS calipers, front (£727)
RS calipers, rear (£705)
RS brake discs, front (£265)
RS brake discs, rear (£252)
front caliper bolts RS (£14)
front brake pads Pagid RS29 (£75)
anti vibration dampers x 16 (£76)
less sale of rear calipers (-£200)
less sale of front calipers (-£230)
less sale of f & r discs (-£160)
Total = £1,524.00
Admittedly i did get the pagids very cheap and your old front 993 pads you just reuse in the rs rears. No point wadting a perfectly good set of pads.
I did this conversion on my old 993 and was hugely impressed with the result. Back then I bought the whole 993 Turbo Brake Upgrade kit from Gert at www.carnewal.com when my standard discs were shot.
The kit came with absolutely everything needed for the upgrade. I sold my old brakes on ebay as two lots (fronts and rears) and iirc I got £300+ for the front calipers alone.
Go for it you wont regret it, but remember you wont get anything like the amount you spend when you sell it!
The kit came with absolutely everything needed for the upgrade. I sold my old brakes on ebay as two lots (fronts and rears) and iirc I got £300+ for the front calipers alone.
Go for it you wont regret it, but remember you wont get anything like the amount you spend when you sell it!
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