Help. c2s or gts

[molar explorer]

So, im going to jump back into porsche ownership but really cant decide whether to buy a C2s or go for the GTS. It looks like a 61 plate C2s can be had for approx 61k and a few month old GTS for around 71k. The c2s being offerred is also an ex "experience car" thats done nearly 7k in 2 months.

So firstly, is the gts 10k better than an C2s? And secondly , is an ex "experience" car the car to buy?

Also, is this the right time to be buying seing that the 991 is just about to be released?

Any advice greatfully received.

Cheers

[Trev450]

I don't think I'd want a car that has been driven extremely hard from day one by all and sundry. Plus, the GTS has to be a better proposition depreciation wise surely.

[Carl_Docklands]

Molar, I would contact a few dealers before making a decision. I was told there is not too much "new" stock out there at the moment but, deals are available.

Likely that a decent spec 991 will be around £90k so, a loaded GTS at around £70k would be a great deal imo.

C2S or GTS? Only you can decide, the fact that the GTS has the powerkit and a few other bits and bobs should make it easier to move on when it comes to resale.

[Phooey]

After doing the Porsche Experience Centre thing, i wouldn't really let it bother me if it WAS one of their cars. I drive mine on the road quicker than i managed there. The car will also have at least 2 years warranty, so if priced and specced right, and in top condition, don't let it put you off.

re car choice - i would only choose the GTS for the fact it will hold it's money better than a C2S - but like you say, you'll pay £10k more. Drive wise - unless you are some kind of driving god, you won't notice any difference between this and the C2s.

GTS also needs the upgrade interior as the plastic dash and seats were imho awfull (C2S has full leather as standard)

PDK is worth it's money.

If me, i would save a few quid and buy a C2S.

[J-P]

FWIW I would go for the GTS. I've driven the C2 and GTS and even though I'm not a driving god I would say there's a tangible and noticeable difference in the way they drive.

This is all IMHO and I do really like my car, which is a GTS.

The wider track of the GTS gives it a more planted and confidence inspiring feel on turn in and the steering seems to communicate its intentions better (although to be fair, I've only driven the GTS at its limit on track). The powerkit does make the car faster but it's not night and day different and I like the alcantara interior - added bonus of the powerkit is the PSE, which is very desirable on used cars, so check the C2S has it.

When I drove the GTS, I thought I have to get me one of these, I didn't get that feeling from the C2.

PDK or manual is up to you. Both transmissions are good, personally, I prefer the manual but perhaps I'm a bt strange in that regard.

Alloys are interesting. I like the look of the centre locks but plenty of people think the wheels are a pain and have changed them for Carrera s wheels. Only you know whether this is going to be a pain for you or not.

Million dollar question - is the GTS worth £10k more than a C2S? Depends, for me I probably would have sent quite a lot more on a GTS but £10k? Maybe - its a marginal improvement but you could argue that for almost any car. I mean is a 458 worth £100k more than a GT3? Not by any logical standard but the way it makes you feel, the noise and pleasure of owning such a great car makes it worth more than £100k more than a GT3 to those fortunate enough to be in a position to buy one!

Drive both and see what you think but in your shoes, I'd get the GTS.

Ps: get the leather and alcantara interior - IMHO it massively improves the interior and the sport design steering wheel really lifts the interior over a standard C2S too!

[SFO]

J-P said:

The wider track of the GTS

the track isn't wider, although the rear tyres are 305 instead of 295 on the C2S

[g7jhp]

997 GT3 if you don't need the rear seats!

[c4srmsims]

SFO said:

the track isn't wider, although the rear tyres are 305 instead of 295 on the C2S

I thought the gts was based on the wide body of the c4?

[J-P]

SFO said:

J-P said:

The wider track of the GTS

the track isn't wider, although the rear tyres are 305 instead of 295 on the C2S

Really, so the wide body just sits on top of the normal C2 chassis? I think you should tell Porsche GB to change its marketing blurb in that case - taken from my GTS brochure

"...at the rear axle, the body is 44mm wider than that of the 911 Carrera S. this has made it possible to widen the track by 32mm for improved dynamic performance...". Are you saying that Porsche said it was possible but then didn't actually do it?

Genuine question as I'd always believed that both front and rear track had been widened. (Front very marginal, rear a bit more).

But if you have better information, please share.

[J-P]

c4srmsims said:

SFO said:

the track isn't wider, although the rear tyres are 305 instead of 295 on the C2S

I thought the gts was based on the wide body of the c4?

It definitely is... That much I do know

[Helicopter123]

For that money (£70k ish) why not not find a fraction more and get into the 991?

Surely a better investment.

[J-P]

Helicopter123 said:

For that money (£70k ish) why not not find a fraction more and get into the 991?

Surely a better investment.

With options, I think you'll find it's more than a fraction or rather, it's a large fraction! My spec online was a gnat's whisker off £100k

[molar explorer]

Ive been told the new 991 will be 85-90k for a well speced "s". I started with a budget of 55k but as always its already crept to 70k! Not sure i can let it "creep" any more unfortunately. I also really wantded a car that someone had already taken a chunk of the depreciation hit on. Im going to use it as an everyday car and cover approx 18k /year - which is certainly going to make it lose even more money.

[AY]

molar explorer said:

Ive been told the new 991 will be 85-90k for a well speced "s". I started with a budget of 55k but as always its already crept to 70k! Not sure i can let it "creep" any more unfortunately. I also really wantded a car that someone had already taken a chunk of the depreciation hit on. Im going to use it as an everyday car and cover approx 18k /year - which is certainly going to make it lose even more money.

You can spec one up on the car configurator at Porsche.co.uk. Very easy to blow 100 k plus. Not sure if any discount will be offered at first?

[J-P]

molar explorer said:

Ive been told the new 991 will be 85-90k for a well speced "s". I started with a budget of 55k but as always its already crept to 70k! Not sure i can let it "creep" any more unfortunately. I also really wantded a car that someone had already taken a chunk of the depreciation hit on. Im going to use it as an everyday car and cover approx 18k /year - which is certainly going to make it lose even more money.

And the rest, base Carrera S with nothing on it is about £82k. Add the other bits that just get included in the OTR and I'm sure you'd be just below £85k, so with relatively few options you'd get to £90k easy even if you didn't want PDK. A moderately well-specified car would be about £95-£100k (especially if you decide to tick the chassis options) go nuts and you can get to £110k -£120k!

So yes, a GTS or C2S would be a much cheaper option.

[SimC]

molar explorer said:

So, im going to jump back into porsche ownership but really cant decide whether to buy a C2s or go for the GTS. It looks like a 61 plate C2s can be had for approx 61k and a few month old GTS for around 71k. The c2s being offerred is also an ex "experience car" thats done nearly 7k in 2 months.

So firstly, is the gts 10k better than an C2s? And secondly , is an ex "experience" car the car to buy?

Also, is this the right time to be buying seing that the 991 is just about to be released?

Any advice greatfully received.

Cheers

GTS all the way with the extended leather and alcantara option. Having owned one for nearly 9 months I am still singing it's praises. You only have to read the GTS thread to see the positive reviews. It's rarity and unusual spec of wide body and 2wd has got to make it more desirable in the future and therefore it's depreciation may not be as steep as a basic 2s all IMO. I personally wouldn't touch a car from the experience centre having been on a couple and driven the cars there as hard as they and the circuit would allow although I am sure they put everything right. I just prefer running in a car properly instead of ragging it out of the box as happens there. I have PDK which is an incredible gearbox although occasionally i miss the old fashioned way of driving. Both gearboxes are great and would be more down to how much time you spend in traffic. Once you master the paddle shift of which i have not come close yet, it is great fun. The extras on he GTS, PSE, power upgrade etc have got to be worth the extra money.Whatever you decide, enjoy!

Edited by SimC on Wednesday 16th November 23:20

[Shadow62]

GTS can be bought for mid 60's with nice spec - 991 will be £30k more for similar spec.

[SFO]

J-P said:

SFO said:

J-P said:

The wider track of the GTS

the track isn't wider, although the rear tyres are 305 instead of 295 on the C2S

Really, so the wide body just sits on top of the normal C2 chassis? I think you should tell Porsche GB to change its marketing blurb in that case - taken from my GTS brochure

"...at the rear axle, the body is 44mm wider than that of the 911 Carrera S. this has made it possible to widen the track by 32mm for improved dynamic performance...". Are you saying that Porsche said it was possible but then didn't actually do it?

Genuine question as I'd always believed that both front and rear track had been widened. (Front very marginal, rear a bit more).

But if you have better information, please share.

You're right

[J-P]

SFO said:

You're right

How disappointing!! I was hoping for some massive GTS scandal ho hum!!

[MrTickle]

I sold a 2010 C2 PDK for a manual GTS.

Took quite a bit of lube to close the deal, but I have zero regrets.

I think if you go for the C2S you will always think you went for the inferior option and secretly yearn for a GTS upgrade once the dust has settled.

GTS is a great car, pure and simple and worth the extra spondoolies, especially when you consider you will probably recover most if not all the extra come re-sale.