Value of a tiptronic 964

[Ali2202]

Hi All,

Currently having a wee 'moment' on another thread regarding the asking price for this....

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3320053.htm

I suggested that in no way was it worth £19K (nearer £13-£14K I thought) and the PH'r who originally posted it up has had a wee spit of his dummy.

Now don't get me wrong, as an owner, I'd love for 964 prices to rocket but £19K for a tiptronic in a really boring colour combo?? COME ON!!

So I thought I'd fire it out to the respected Beards in the Porsche forum to see what the general consensus might be...

Thoughts?

Edited by Ali2202 on Friday 18th November 11:47

[boxsey]

I tend to agree with your valuation because it's a tip but don't agree with it being a boring colour combo. A black/black C2 manual coupe would generate a lot of interest from potential buyers IMO.

[Ali2202]

Horses for courses on the colour of course.

Cheers for the thoughts on valuation too chap

[Ali2202]

Original thread (and scene of dummy spitting) here.....

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...

[mollytherocker]

In terms of the colour combo, I would say it is a popular choice. Many people like black on black. I dont, but thats just me.

I dont think anyone would deny that a tip is worth less than a manual on a 964, but how much, I'm not sure. There are still plenty of people who swear by them.

And so to the value. I dont think we can comment accurately without inspecting the car as a rough one could be 10k and a minter could be over 20k.

But considering the mileage, spec and apparent good condition at a dealer, it must be worth over 16k?

MTR

[JSE993]

It's a pretty high spec for that era, not many had A/C and if it works that makes the car a rarity and therefore attractive (to me at any rate). Those wheels look a bit weedy though. A Tip is not for everyone but if it is a really nice car then the price is only £1000 on the strong side in my view.

[Dusty964]

Not to mention that as prices hit rock bottom and slowly increase over time, the gearbox will have less impact on price than mileage/history/condition as the number of really good cars dwindles

[Ali2202]

All good points MTR (and others). Cheers!

If your estimate is circa £16K at a dealer could we assume circa £14K on a Private sale for the car in question?

This guy's asking for £19K for this 'tip' though!

... AND he also reckons my Tahoe C2 (recently resprayed,FSH,engine rebuild,great condition with 120K on the clock) is overvalued at £16K!

Edited by Ali2202 on Friday 18th November 13:00

[mollytherocker]

As I said, we cant be accurate without an inspection but I did say over 16k.

14k private would be for an average 964 in my view. You wont get a really good one for that.

MTR

[Ali2202]

Cheers MTR,

So what would you pay for a great condition black/black tiptronic 964 on 16's and a mileage heading towards possible engine-rebuild territory?

I'm not being argumentative Fella...just would like to know if it was YOUR cash, what would you pay?

For me - £14K (however wouldn't buy a 'tip' anyhoo )

[RC]

Would i or anyone else pay 1k less for even the most amazing tip than the guards red manual minter with about 40k miles on it that went a few weeks back? i dont think so

[eagle1]

The car is with Paul Devyea and he does not usually get his prices wrong or he certainly did'nt when he was at La Rose and I was looking for a 993. Didn't have one I wanted but his prices were very competitive. Same again when I was looking for a Turbo.

[mollytherocker]

Ali2202 said:

Cheers MTR,

So what would you pay for a great condition black/black tiptronic 964 on 16's and a mileage heading towards possible engine-rebuild territory?

I'm not being argumentative Fella...just would like to know if it was YOUR cash, what would you pay?

For me - £14K (however wouldn't buy a 'tip' anyhoo )

Its not really relevant what I would pay as I wouldnt buy a tip and black is not my preference. Your engine rebuild comment is a leading question unless you have proof?

I personally like the 964 very much and would pay up to 20k for a mint manual Coupe C2.

Not sure how relevant this is though.

MTR

[BertBert]

Certainly if it's in as good condition as it looks with the A/C working, you'd have to be very lucky to get it for 14k privately. I think that 19k is too much to pay from a dealer, but as a price to start negotiating from it's not too toppy.

So fpr me if it's tip-top, 15.5 privately and 17.5 dealer. But conditiona and history is everything.

Bert

[ras62]

19k should buy an exceptional C2 manual, either original with low miles or with major work done recently. A tip car would not interest a majority of C2 manual buyers anyway, but a genuine well cared for tip I would expect to be 2-3k behind in price. Fair value for the car shown I would say 15k private would be doing very well.

[carcrazypop]

RC said:

Would i or anyone else pay 1k less for even the most amazing tip than the guards red manual minter with about 40k miles on it that went a few weeks back? i dont think so

That's true, but I think that red one was way too cheap, and the fact it went in a few days probably confirms that.

[996ttalot]

IMO it is overpriced.

Take a look at

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/2803014.htm

I don't think there is nearly 5k difference between those cars.

No A/C but the cars that I have seen owned by PC Members tend to be in pretty good nick.

Whatever you do, get the thing inspected.

Edited by 996ttalot on Friday 18th November 15:35

[Carlton Banks]

Those were the days eh.
£20k would get you nothing in the 964 world!

[Wozy68]

Carlton Banks said:

Those were the days eh.
£20k would get you nothing in the 964 world!

1991 C2 manual, black with light great interior. …. Bought 2006 with 40K miles under her belt .

£12750.00 from Adrian Crawford . Sold 12 months later to a Porsche Trader for £12500.00 who sold it on for £14K.

Back then a 993 was around £25K if mem serves … Which was about the price of a reasonable condition 964RS.

To my dying day I’ll never see why the standard C2 964 are worth now so much money . I never got on with mine … it was my first Porsche, so maybe I’d bought a bad one .

[julian987R]

Wozy68 said:

To my dying day I’ll never see why the standard C2 964 are worth now so much money . I never got on with mine … it was my first Porsche, so maybe I’d bought a bad one .

Could well be the case for most owners.....difference being is that you found out from use, whereas most won't ever know a they don't get bought to be driven - that would be sacrilegious these days.