Coil pack failure questions - 987.1 S
Coil pack failure questions - 987.1 S
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cslwannabe

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1,570 posts

199 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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Have owned my Boxster since May this year and have noticed that sometimes when cold it tends to 'kangaroo' (ie is jerky) in 1st and second gear - its more noticeable when leaving work to come home as I trundle along in the car park in 1st gear because we have lots of speedbumps and on little or no throttle it really kangaroos badly for a few seconds. Not so noticeable when setting off from home as normally I drive off and quickly move up through the gearbox and get up to speed, however I sometimes detect it isn't pulling cleanly when accelerating. Once the car is up to temperature this kangarooing never seems to happen however.

From reading on here I'm starting to suspect it might be a coil failure - any thoughts? Prior to purchasing the car a 111 point check was carried out - would this have detected a coil pack failure? Incidentally I purchased the car with a 12 month warranty, albeit not a Porsche warranty (but think I may add a 2yr Porsche warranty next year) so hopefully if there is an issue it will be covered.

BrewsterBear

1,548 posts

222 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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You'd know if you had a coil pack gone. It makes the car vibrate like you've lost a whole bank of cylinders, plus you'd be showing warning lights.

Popolou

1,257 posts

237 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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Contaminated clutch?

MadMark911

1,755 posts

179 months

Monday 28th November 2011
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As BrewsterBear says - normally you'd see a warning light for something like this or a MAF sensor ...

MadMark911

1,755 posts

179 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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cslwannabe said:
Have owned my Boxster since May this year and have noticed that sometimes when cold it tends to 'kangaroo' (ie is jerky) in 1st and second gear - its more noticeable when leaving work to come home as I trundle along in the car park in 1st gear because we have lots of speedbumps and on little or no throttle it really kangaroos badly for a few seconds. Not so noticeable when setting off from home as normally I drive off and quickly move up through the gearbox and get up to speed, however I sometimes detect it isn't pulling cleanly when accelerating. Once the car is up to temperature this kangarooing never seems to happen however.

From reading on here I'm starting to suspect it might be a coil failure - any thoughts? Prior to purchasing the car a 111 point check was carried out - would this have detected a coil pack failure? Incidentally I purchased the car with a 12 month warranty, albeit not a Porsche warranty (but think I may add a 2yr Porsche warranty next year) so hopefully if there is an issue it will be covered.
cslwannabe - did you ever find out what this was? sonar

cslwannabe

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1,570 posts

199 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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Nope! Has done it since we bought the car 6 months ago - not been out of the garage since 2 weeks ago today however owing to cold/miserable weather. It's less of an issue when setting off from home as generally pootle round the estate in 2nd and then quickly up through the gears, although you can sense it's not pulling cleanly. It's much more noticeable driving slowly over the speed bumps in the car park at work however.

alex.tvr

331 posts

288 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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MadMark911 said:
As BrewsterBear says - normally you'd see a warning light for something like this or a MAF sensor ...
I had 5 out of 8 coil packs 'fail' on my Cayenne and never got any warning lights or events on the computer log. Would only 'misfire' when up to temp.
Mechanic said it was the worst he'd experienced on a test drive, couldn't believe there were no lights or events.

all2ofme

855 posts

218 months

Friday 16th December 2011
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According to Reading I had four coil packs logging "pre-ignition failures" or something to that effect. Car had two characters - sometimes it went beautifully, other times it felt lumpy in some parts of the rev range. Not kangarooing, but perhaps we're just sensitive to different degrees.

Apparently no "actual faults" were being recorded, but replacing the coil packs fixed it. Car went beautifully after that.

"Pre-faults" being logged sounded weird to me. Still does.

cslwannabe

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1,570 posts

199 months

Saturday 25th February 2012
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Still not got to the bottom of this - only seems to do it when first accelerating when car is stone cold - will contact warranty provider (non OPC) and see what they say about getting it checked out (has been to 2 different OPCs in last 9 months for full 111 point check plus mileage investigation checks and nothing mentioned about fault codes or any issues).

Pope

2,653 posts

277 months

Saturday 25th February 2012
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Let the car idle for twenty-thirty seconds before you pull away, and never switch engine off or start the engine with the throttle pressed; does that make it better??

Pugley

687 posts

222 months

Saturday 25th February 2012
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My bet would be coil packs if the car is over 5 years old. If they have hairline cracks in the insulation there is no reason this would shown up on an inspection because they would have warmed up and be dry by the time they get looked at.

Mine misbehaved in the mornings when there was dampness in the air which could condense on the coil making it "track" high voltage around the outside. Soon as they dry out with a bit of warmth this stops happening.

I had no warning lights but once the coils were removed it was just possible to see the cracks. In all 3 out of six were faulty.

cslwannabe

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1,570 posts

199 months

Saturday 25th February 2012
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Thanks Pope and pugley for the suggestions.

Regarding startup, I've always started my cars with the clutch fully down and no throttle and similarly always switch off with no throttle applied. In the morning I reverse a few yards out of the garage and then get out of the car to go and close/ lock the garage door (no fancy automatic garage door for me!) so I guess it's normally been running for a minute or so in total from startup before I properly set off driving.

As I mentioned previously, on part throttle say when driving over speedhumps, the jerkiness is very noticeable - same as when leaving work last week and I slowly approached the car park barriers. My housing estate has a couple of hundred yards of speedhumps so I normally drive out of the estate in 2nd gear on little or no throttle in the morning. Then I gently accelerate up through the gearbox as within a minute of leaving the housing estate I'm joining a NSL dual carriageway and whilst accelerating, even though I'm quickly through the gears (changing up below 3k rpm as engine still cold) you can still notice that it's not pulling cleanly. Once sat at steady speed on the dual carriageway everything is fine and by the time I've exitted the dual carriageway the car is pulling cleanly in every gear.

I'll go out tomorrow and do a bit more low speed urban driving while it's still cold to try and measure how long it's like this for before it starts running normally.

GezzerRS4

35 posts

188 months

Saturday 25th February 2012
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Just have 5 of my 6 replaced under warranty, car is coming up to 6 years old, I used to have the same sort of irregular running and jerkiness when cold and a bit of damp in the air, fine when warmed up after a few miles.

Since they replaced the coil packs it's perfect, so my guess points to this as the issue

nickfrog

25,387 posts

247 months

Saturday 25th February 2012
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The OP should try and establish if this happens more when it's wet. If indeed it's the coild packs they're only very cheap and very quick to change providing you don't use an OPC. The first to go are the ones furthest back usually so for £75 you could have those 2 changed first ?

cslwannabe

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1,570 posts

199 months

Saturday 25th February 2012
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Well it happened on both Thursday morning (car had been garaged for some weeks) and also Thursday afternoon after car had sat outside in brilliant sunshine all day. It's a 2nd car so don't tend to drive it in the wet or cold damp days unless I get caught out by unexpected weather.

Output Flange

17,053 posts

241 months

Saturday 25th February 2012
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Have you changed the coil packs as per the advice above?

cslwannabe

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1,570 posts

199 months

Saturday 25th February 2012
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I've not changed any coil packs yet - have 12 month parts and labour warranty (non OPC) so going to contact warranty company firstly and see what they suggest.

Thanks for all the replies.

cslwannabe

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1,570 posts

199 months

Monday 18th June 2012
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Fitted a new battery last week after my OEM one gave up the ghost and this issue now appears to have gone away (hope I've not spoken too soon), so possibly was just as a result of weak battery.

tr7v8

7,623 posts

258 months

Monday 18th June 2012
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cslwannabe said:
Fitted a new battery last week after my OEM one gave up the ghost and this issue now appears to have gone away (hope I've not spoken too soon), so possibly was just as a result of weak battery.
Or disconnecting the old battery & reconnecting the new has done an ECU reset & it has relearnt its way out of the problem.

cslwannabe

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199 months

Friday 7th December 2012
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Dropped my car off to be serviced last week and I forgot to mention this (it still happens after start-up), however the garage informed me they'd spotted a cracked coil pack. I haven't collected it yet but will be interesting to see if it has now cured it.