997 C2S or C4S
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Hi All, i intend to go the Porsche route probably in Feb/Mar next year. My budget will be 40k tops
but the big question is what should i go for. I only want a manual and not a cab, but what are the "must have options" that should be on the perfect car.
The next question is OPC or independant, warranty or no warranty ?
Any usefull advice would be much appreciated, i am currently keeping a close eye onthe stock passing through 911virgin/JZM/RSJ etc.
Cheers
C4S is quicker in anything other than perfect conditions with very little compromise in terms of steering feel etc.
If you're really not sure, perhaps have a play at the Porsche Centre Silverstone and drive both back to back in real 'to the limit' conditions and see if that helps you decide.
It's really a personaly preference thing. Some will say they prefer the 'purity' of the C2 but the reality is that the C4S is mostly RWD unless you are breaching the limits of adhesion, and in the real world on public roads, how often does this happen?
If you're really not sure, perhaps have a play at the Porsche Centre Silverstone and drive both back to back in real 'to the limit' conditions and see if that helps you decide.
It's really a personaly preference thing. Some will say they prefer the 'purity' of the C2 but the reality is that the C4S is mostly RWD unless you are breaching the limits of adhesion, and in the real world on public roads, how often does this happen?
Edited by monthefish on Tuesday 6th December 17:48
Hi and welcome - there's lots of information on here and lots of different views! Try searching regarding warranty's and OPC vs. indi's as those subjects are discussed weekly, if not more often. There's also some mainentance schemes such as Hartech which are well reviewed.
For purchasing RSJ and Virgin911 have v. good reputations, as do JZM, Paragon and others (but not all others!).
As for C2S or C4S... again lots of discussion on here already. For the purer driving experience, and more boot space, go C2S. For more sure-footedness (is that a word) go 4WD - maybe a consideration if you live in Scotland, for example, but boot space is reduced.
As for options - Sports Chrono and a good colour are seen as the vitals. PSE (porsche spare engine) is considered a big plus (sorry, only kidding, it's Porsche Sports Exhaust), as is SatNav, although its not as good as a TomTom, is seen as good for resale, for some odd reason. Sports seats, rear wiper also good. Sunroof is a pain and the parking warts on the rear bumper shows you're a woos.
If your budget can stretch, a Gen2 car would be worth looking at as they have (so far) less engine issues...
Happy hunting - it took me over a year to get the right one!
For purchasing RSJ and Virgin911 have v. good reputations, as do JZM, Paragon and others (but not all others!).
As for C2S or C4S... again lots of discussion on here already. For the purer driving experience, and more boot space, go C2S. For more sure-footedness (is that a word) go 4WD - maybe a consideration if you live in Scotland, for example, but boot space is reduced.
As for options - Sports Chrono and a good colour are seen as the vitals. PSE (porsche spare engine) is considered a big plus (sorry, only kidding, it's Porsche Sports Exhaust), as is SatNav, although its not as good as a TomTom, is seen as good for resale, for some odd reason. Sports seats, rear wiper also good. Sunroof is a pain and the parking warts on the rear bumper shows you're a woos.
If your budget can stretch, a Gen2 car would be worth looking at as they have (so far) less engine issues...
Happy hunting - it took me over a year to get the right one!
Edited by Diesel130 on Tuesday 6th December 17:51
Diesel130 said:
For purchasing RSJ and Virgin911 have v. good reputations, as do JZM, Paragon and others (but not all others!).one!
Here's a comprehensive list of Indy's, some better than others, but assume they're all rogues and you won't go far wrong! (You'll be pleasantly surprised by a few!)Personally I don't like the sports chrono due to it's position on top of the dash as it spoils the otherwise clean lines. If you are a track day fiend then it will have some appeal but otherwise I can't see the point.
The C4S is wider at the rear than the the C2S and I've been told that the balance and feel of the car is not as nice as the C2S.
I was keen to have a sunroof as it adds a different dimension to the driving experience whenever you are in the mood for a bit of fresh air.
Atlas grey is a great colour as well!
I don't think you would be disappointed with a C2S.
The C4S is wider at the rear than the the C2S and I've been told that the balance and feel of the car is not as nice as the C2S.
I was keen to have a sunroof as it adds a different dimension to the driving experience whenever you are in the mood for a bit of fresh air.
Atlas grey is a great colour as well!
I don't think you would be disappointed with a C2S.
I wanted a C4S, but settled on a 2S and think that I made the right decision.
I've tracked my car a couple of times, got used to the handling as far as my abilities currently allow and I'm not disappointed at all.
No doubt the 4 feels more planted at the front, but the 2 has far more grip than I give it credit for.
As has been said you really need to test drive them both, it's the best way forward.
I've tracked my car a couple of times, got used to the handling as far as my abilities currently allow and I'm not disappointed at all.
No doubt the 4 feels more planted at the front, but the 2 has far more grip than I give it credit for.
As has been said you really need to test drive them both, it's the best way forward.
monthefish][url said:
It's really a personaly preference thing. Some will say they prefer the 'purity' of the C2 but the reality is that the C4S is mostly RWD unless you are breaching the limits of adhesion, and in the real world on public roads, how often does this happen?
....then why spend the extra to get a smaller boot and more stuff to go wrong?Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 6th December 17:48
Xstyle said:
they will let you do that as a serious test drive, on the track!!?
Porsche centre have a specially designed handling circuit designed to show the cars at the limit.It's not the Silverstone track itself, although I have heard that on occasion if you're a lucky fecker Silverstone have been known to open up to Porsche if they've nothing else on... unlikely though.
It costs a few hundred quid unless you can get a main dealer to invite you to a specific model day - when I got my 997 turbo, for the following two years I got an invite to every new model release - the main dealers have an allocation of places to invite customers / prospective customers to.
Maybe worth explaining your situation to a main dealer, and asking if there is such a day coming up?
Do bear in mind that they only have the current models there though.
REALIST123 said:
monthefish][url said:
It's really a personaly preference thing. Some will say they prefer the 'purity' of the C2 but the reality is that the C4S is mostly RWD unless you are breaching the limits of adhesion, and in the real world on public roads, how often does this happen?
....then why spend the extra to get a smaller boot and more stuff to go wrong?Edited by monthefish on Tuesday 6th December 17:48
monthefish said:
C4S is quicker in anything other than perfect conditions with very little compromise in terms of steering feel etc.
monthefish said:
REALIST123 said:
monthefish said:
It's really a personaly preference thing. Some will say they prefer the 'purity' of the C2 but the reality is that the C4S is mostly RWD unless you are breaching the limits of adhesion, and in the real world on public roads, how often does this happen?
....then why spend the extra to get a smaller boot and more stuff to go wrong?Edited by monthefish on Tuesday 6th December 17:48
monthefish said:
C4S is quicker in anything other than perfect conditions with very little compromise in terms of steering feel etc.
monthefish said:
you are breaching the limits of adhesion........in the real world on public roads
I went through exactly the same thinking / process about 18 months ago. I ended up in a C4S for a number of reasons (all IMHO of course):
1. It looks better. The wider rear suits the car I think.
2. I have a steep drive. The 4WD is good. With winter tyres on the car is superb in the snow.
3. I liked the colour (Atlas Grey).
Mine does have a sunroof, does have the rear park assist but didn't have PSE. I ended up getting that retro-fitted, which was expensive. I bought mine privately but with an OPC warranty - a private seller can transfer the warranty but a non-OPC trade seller cannot. I'd do this again - it was about £5k cheaper than a comparable OPC car.
Am off to the 991 launch tomorrow. If I am smitten I'll let you know!
Good luck with the hunt.
1. It looks better. The wider rear suits the car I think.
2. I have a steep drive. The 4WD is good. With winter tyres on the car is superb in the snow.
3. I liked the colour (Atlas Grey).
Mine does have a sunroof, does have the rear park assist but didn't have PSE. I ended up getting that retro-fitted, which was expensive. I bought mine privately but with an OPC warranty - a private seller can transfer the warranty but a non-OPC trade seller cannot. I'd do this again - it was about £5k cheaper than a comparable OPC car.
Am off to the 991 launch tomorrow. If I am smitten I'll let you know!
Good luck with the hunt.
Xstyle said:
How much was the retrofitting of PSE, and was it done by OPC so not to invalidate the warranty?
There's a thread on that over here with lots of relevant information, including prices.You're looking at the (very) far side of £2k though and, yes, an OPC will be happy to relieve you of your money.
Personally I've always preferred the Carrera 4's. Yes the steering is lighter and fractionally sweeter on the 2's, but I find the balance is generally better for a road car with the extra bit of weight in the front that the 4 has.
On a track where you can trail brake deep into a corner and make use of the engine in the back, RWD for a 911 all the way, but for a bit of a play on the road I always find the 4 has less tendency to understeer at low speed and feels more stable at higher speeds.
On a track where you can trail brake deep into a corner and make use of the engine in the back, RWD for a 911 all the way, but for a bit of a play on the road I always find the 4 has less tendency to understeer at low speed and feels more stable at higher speeds.
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