HPI and logbook.
Discussion
Query: is it an issue if an HPI check shows eg 2 owners, but the logbook shows 1?
Reason for asking: a private owner, "Mr Jones", has transferred ownership to his company, "LTD" which is revealed by HPI, as Mr Jones first owner, then LTD as second owner, whereas logbook still only reflects Mr Jones.
normal, or dodgy?
Reason for asking: a private owner, "Mr Jones", has transferred ownership to his company, "LTD" which is revealed by HPI, as Mr Jones first owner, then LTD as second owner, whereas logbook still only reflects Mr Jones.
normal, or dodgy?
Well for a start, the V5 shows keepers, not owners. In the same way so does HPI. Assume it's keepers that are being talked about, then it's odd for the two not to match. It means the change of keeper has happened without using the V5. Or there is a duplicate V5 somewhere in the mix.
If you are satisfied that the keeper situation is above board, then it's not the worst thing in the world.
What does Mr Thingy say about it and how does he explain how the keeper change took place?
Bert
If you are satisfied that the keeper situation is above board, then it's not the worst thing in the world.
What does Mr Thingy say about it and how does he explain how the keeper change took place?
Bert
BertBert said:
Well for a start, the V5 shows keepers, not owners. In the same way so does HPI. Assume it's keepers that are being talked about, then it's odd for the two not to match. It means the change of keeper has happened without using the V5. Or there is a duplicate V5 somewhere in the mix.
If you are satisfied that the keeper situation is above board, then it's not the worst thing in the world.
What does Mr Thingy say about it and how does he explain how the keeper change took place?
Bert
Mr Jones is being candid and says it was to get his insurance premium down due to him being almost banned from driving.If you are satisfied that the keeper situation is above board, then it's not the worst thing in the world.
What does Mr Thingy say about it and how does he explain how the keeper change took place?
Bert
911fan said:
Query: is it an issue if an HPI check shows eg 2 owners, but the logbook shows 1?
Reason for asking: a private owner, "Mr Jones", has transferred ownership to his company, "LTD" which is revealed by HPI, as Mr Jones first owner, then LTD as second owner, whereas logbook still only reflects Mr Jones.
normal, or dodgy?
is this a frequent occurance please?Reason for asking: a private owner, "Mr Jones", has transferred ownership to his company, "LTD" which is revealed by HPI, as Mr Jones first owner, then LTD as second owner, whereas logbook still only reflects Mr Jones.
normal, or dodgy?
Have you checked that it's the current V5C you're looking at, and hence the valid one?
Go to www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk click "vehicle enquiry" then "next" then enter the reg, choose the make and then enter the V5C reference number, then click "next". If the ref no entered is from the most up to date V5C then the results (which include date of first reg, colour, capacity, road tax/SORN expiry date and tax cost) will show the same date of issue as shown on the document - if it doesn't return a date than the V5C is not the most up to date, valid, one - in which case you need to find out where it is.
My guess is that you're looking at a no longer valid V5C if it doesn't have enough keepers on it.
Go to www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk click "vehicle enquiry" then "next" then enter the reg, choose the make and then enter the V5C reference number, then click "next". If the ref no entered is from the most up to date V5C then the results (which include date of first reg, colour, capacity, road tax/SORN expiry date and tax cost) will show the same date of issue as shown on the document - if it doesn't return a date than the V5C is not the most up to date, valid, one - in which case you need to find out where it is.
My guess is that you're looking at a no longer valid V5C if it doesn't have enough keepers on it.
thegoose said:
Have you checked that it's the current V5C you're looking at, and hence the valid one?
Go to www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk click "vehicle enquiry" then "next" then enter the reg, choose the make and then enter the V5C reference number, then click "next". If the ref no entered is from the most up to date V5C then the results (which include date of first reg, colour, capacity, road tax/SORN expiry date and tax cost) will show the same date of issue as shown on the document - if it doesn't return a date than the V5C is not the most up to date, valid, one - in which case you need to find out where it is.
My guess is that you're looking at a no longer valid V5C if it doesn't have enough keepers on it.
Cheers. It seems to be the right one but number still doesn't match; i wonder what's going on?Go to www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk click "vehicle enquiry" then "next" then enter the reg, choose the make and then enter the V5C reference number, then click "next". If the ref no entered is from the most up to date V5C then the results (which include date of first reg, colour, capacity, road tax/SORN expiry date and tax cost) will show the same date of issue as shown on the document - if it doesn't return a date than the V5C is not the most up to date, valid, one - in which case you need to find out where it is.
My guess is that you're looking at a no longer valid V5C if it doesn't have enough keepers on it.
'number still doesn't match' is confusing
Did the reference number in the online check match the paper document produced by the purported seller? Did it give a date of issue?
Given HPI and purported seller both suggest a transfer has occured the paper document produced certainly appears to be out of date.
The distinction between keeper / owner doesn't seem to offer any explanation here.
I wouldn't assume the purported seller is being at all 'candid'. Tread carefully.
Did the reference number in the online check match the paper document produced by the purported seller? Did it give a date of issue?
Given HPI and purported seller both suggest a transfer has occured the paper document produced certainly appears to be out of date.
The distinction between keeper / owner doesn't seem to offer any explanation here.
I wouldn't assume the purported seller is being at all 'candid'. Tread carefully.
911fan said:
thegoose said:
Have you checked that it's the current V5C you're looking at, and hence the valid one?
Go to www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk click "vehicle enquiry" then "next" then enter the reg, choose the make and then enter the V5C reference number, then click "next". If the ref no entered is from the most up to date V5C then the results (which include date of first reg, colour, capacity, road tax/SORN expiry date and tax cost) will show the same date of issue as shown on the document - if it doesn't return a date than the V5C is not the most up to date, valid, one - in which case you need to find out where it is.
My guess is that you're looking at a no longer valid V5C if it doesn't have enough keepers on it.
Cheers. It seems to be the right one but number still doesn't match; i wonder what's going on?Go to www.vehiclelicence.gov.uk click "vehicle enquiry" then "next" then enter the reg, choose the make and then enter the V5C reference number, then click "next". If the ref no entered is from the most up to date V5C then the results (which include date of first reg, colour, capacity, road tax/SORN expiry date and tax cost) will show the same date of issue as shown on the document - if it doesn't return a date than the V5C is not the most up to date, valid, one - in which case you need to find out where it is.
My guess is that you're looking at a no longer valid V5C if it doesn't have enough keepers on it.
I've often had cars with 2 V5C's where the owner has had a new one issued and not binned the old one - if someone got hold of one of these all they have to do is steal a similar car, re-identify it and they have a genuine V5C for it (but out of date and invalid of course) which most people will think is kosher. I have of course always destroyed the out of date document.
There is another way to check the V5C but it's not free. As part of an HPi check you can specify that you want a V5C check and you will then have to enter the serial no which appears in the white disc in the top right corner of the front page of the V5C (this number is never used by anyone other than HPi AFAIK), along with the date of issue, shown next to the doc ref no on the other pages. The HPi check will then confirm whether the V5C is the valid one.
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