Drove 991 C2S PDK (x2) today
Discussion
1st PDK car had PDCC, PSE and Sport Chrono Plus (with the engine mounts); the second was plain PDK.
Drove about 30 miles in Car 1 all around the Sussex countryside.
Very fast, very capable and much more refined than the 997. The acceleration in PDK Sport Plus is quite stunning.
Standard exhaust is much louder than 997, but it is less mechanical than the 997 DFi sound. With PSE, it is rortier, bassier, you lose even more clarity, and it is more muffled. You get the lift off overrun burble which is special. Unfortunately, I think it has lost quite a bit of the distinctive flat 6 chatter. PSE is not the obvious must have that I had assumed it would be.
The ride is really very accomplished. Limo like, yet with wonderful agility and athleticism. It feels light on its feet.
It corners on rails. There is no roll, no unchecked or moving masses as you chuck the car around. Truly incredible. The way the suspension flattens bumps and road irregularities while retaining traction, and not causing the car to bounce around is phenomenal.
Steering is too self-assured. There is no jiggling, no minor movements to tell you what the road surface is like. Even when accelerating hard out of bend, it is neutral – you don’t get as much of a feel of the rear digging in as you do in the 997. I didn’t think that there was nearly enough feel. It is very light, but is incredibly accurate. Placing the car on apexs and other bits of road you aim at is effortless and utterly precise. Yet, it felt too digital, too 21st century perfect. It’s much like the transition from vinyl to CD. Am not convinced .. a longer drive is needed.
Brakes were excellent. Stopping power is simply fantastic. Wonderful feel too.
Sunroof was lovely. Fully open at high speeds, no buffeting and some wind coming into the cabin, and conversation easily maintained.
Drove car 2 for about 10 miles. In many ways, it felt more natural because it moved about more, and was more “alive”. The laws of physics come back into play on corners, so, to me, it felt more natural and less digital.
Overall, it is dynamically extremely polished. It is stupidly easy to drive, and to drive very fast. Anyone can have a good time with it. Its talents are easily, perhaps too easily, accessible. Definitely a right now, right here, perform perfectly now on demand, 21st century thing of wonder.
However, has it lost its soul, and some of its personality? Has it become too main stream? In TV terms, it has gone from after 9pm to before 9pm.
Drove about 30 miles in Car 1 all around the Sussex countryside.
Very fast, very capable and much more refined than the 997. The acceleration in PDK Sport Plus is quite stunning.
Standard exhaust is much louder than 997, but it is less mechanical than the 997 DFi sound. With PSE, it is rortier, bassier, you lose even more clarity, and it is more muffled. You get the lift off overrun burble which is special. Unfortunately, I think it has lost quite a bit of the distinctive flat 6 chatter. PSE is not the obvious must have that I had assumed it would be.
The ride is really very accomplished. Limo like, yet with wonderful agility and athleticism. It feels light on its feet.
It corners on rails. There is no roll, no unchecked or moving masses as you chuck the car around. Truly incredible. The way the suspension flattens bumps and road irregularities while retaining traction, and not causing the car to bounce around is phenomenal.
Steering is too self-assured. There is no jiggling, no minor movements to tell you what the road surface is like. Even when accelerating hard out of bend, it is neutral – you don’t get as much of a feel of the rear digging in as you do in the 997. I didn’t think that there was nearly enough feel. It is very light, but is incredibly accurate. Placing the car on apexs and other bits of road you aim at is effortless and utterly precise. Yet, it felt too digital, too 21st century perfect. It’s much like the transition from vinyl to CD. Am not convinced .. a longer drive is needed.
Brakes were excellent. Stopping power is simply fantastic. Wonderful feel too.
Sunroof was lovely. Fully open at high speeds, no buffeting and some wind coming into the cabin, and conversation easily maintained.
Drove car 2 for about 10 miles. In many ways, it felt more natural because it moved about more, and was more “alive”. The laws of physics come back into play on corners, so, to me, it felt more natural and less digital.
Overall, it is dynamically extremely polished. It is stupidly easy to drive, and to drive very fast. Anyone can have a good time with it. Its talents are easily, perhaps too easily, accessible. Definitely a right now, right here, perform perfectly now on demand, 21st century thing of wonder.
However, has it lost its soul, and some of its personality? Has it become too main stream? In TV terms, it has gone from after 9pm to before 9pm.
SFO said:
1st PDK car had PDCC, PSE and Sport Chrono Plus (with the engine mounts); the second was plain PDK.
Drove about 30 miles in Car 1 all around the Sussex countryside.
Very fast, very capable and much more refined than the 997. The acceleration in PDK Sport Plus is quite stunning.
Standard exhaust is much louder than 997, but it is less mechanical than the 997 DFi sound. With PSE, it is rortier, bassier, you lose even more clarity, and it is more muffled. You get the lift off overrun burble which is special. Unfortunately, I think it has lost quite a bit of the distinctive flat 6 chatter. PSE is not the obvious must have that I had assumed it would be.
The ride is really very accomplished. Limo like, yet with wonderful agility and athleticism. It feels light on its feet.
It corners on rails. There is no roll, no unchecked or moving masses as you chuck the car around. Truly incredible. The way the suspension flattens bumps and road irregularities while retaining traction, and not causing the car to bounce around is phenomenal.
Steering is too self-assured. There is no jiggling, no minor movements to tell you what the road surface is like. Even when accelerating hard out of bend, it is neutral – you don’t get as much of a feel of the rear digging in as you do in the 997. I didn’t think that there was nearly enough feel. It is very light, but is incredibly accurate. Placing the car on apexs and other bits of road you aim at is effortless and utterly precise. Yet, it felt too digital, too 21st century perfect. It’s much like the transition from vinyl to CD. Am not convinced .. a longer drive is needed.
Brakes were excellent. Stopping power is simply fantastic. Wonderful feel too.
Sunroof was lovely. Fully open at high speeds, no buffeting and some wind coming into the cabin, and conversation easily maintained.
Drove car 2 for about 10 miles. In many ways, it felt more natural because it moved about more, and was more “alive”. The laws of physics come back into play on corners, so, to me, it felt more natural and less digital.
Overall, it is dynamically extremely polished. It is stupidly easy to drive, and to drive very fast. Anyone can have a good time with it. Its talents are easily, perhaps too easily, accessible. Definitely a right now, right here, perform perfectly now on demand, 21st century thing of wonder.
However, has it lost its soul, and some of its personality? Has it become too main stream? In TV terms, it has gone from after 9pm to before 9pm.
So which 911 would you recommend now (having tried the 991)?Drove about 30 miles in Car 1 all around the Sussex countryside.
Very fast, very capable and much more refined than the 997. The acceleration in PDK Sport Plus is quite stunning.
Standard exhaust is much louder than 997, but it is less mechanical than the 997 DFi sound. With PSE, it is rortier, bassier, you lose even more clarity, and it is more muffled. You get the lift off overrun burble which is special. Unfortunately, I think it has lost quite a bit of the distinctive flat 6 chatter. PSE is not the obvious must have that I had assumed it would be.
The ride is really very accomplished. Limo like, yet with wonderful agility and athleticism. It feels light on its feet.
It corners on rails. There is no roll, no unchecked or moving masses as you chuck the car around. Truly incredible. The way the suspension flattens bumps and road irregularities while retaining traction, and not causing the car to bounce around is phenomenal.
Steering is too self-assured. There is no jiggling, no minor movements to tell you what the road surface is like. Even when accelerating hard out of bend, it is neutral – you don’t get as much of a feel of the rear digging in as you do in the 997. I didn’t think that there was nearly enough feel. It is very light, but is incredibly accurate. Placing the car on apexs and other bits of road you aim at is effortless and utterly precise. Yet, it felt too digital, too 21st century perfect. It’s much like the transition from vinyl to CD. Am not convinced .. a longer drive is needed.
Brakes were excellent. Stopping power is simply fantastic. Wonderful feel too.
Sunroof was lovely. Fully open at high speeds, no buffeting and some wind coming into the cabin, and conversation easily maintained.
Drove car 2 for about 10 miles. In many ways, it felt more natural because it moved about more, and was more “alive”. The laws of physics come back into play on corners, so, to me, it felt more natural and less digital.
Overall, it is dynamically extremely polished. It is stupidly easy to drive, and to drive very fast. Anyone can have a good time with it. Its talents are easily, perhaps too easily, accessible. Definitely a right now, right here, perform perfectly now on demand, 21st century thing of wonder.
However, has it lost its soul, and some of its personality? Has it become too main stream? In TV terms, it has gone from after 9pm to before 9pm.
OP, great post, very informative.
But.... all I think you are saying is that the new one is bigger, more powerful & easier to drive.
Nothing new there, it is the Porsche way, the lovers of the last gen will swear theirs are better, & then men with beards will rub them & nod to old skool followers & say ours are better than that.
Now if you want a real argument then ask who has the biggest beard, & then ask if he wears sandals.
Cheers.
But.... all I think you are saying is that the new one is bigger, more powerful & easier to drive.
Nothing new there, it is the Porsche way, the lovers of the last gen will swear theirs are better, & then men with beards will rub them & nod to old skool followers & say ours are better than that.
Now if you want a real argument then ask who has the biggest beard, & then ask if he wears sandals.
Cheers.
porkyspecialist said:
OP, great post, very informative.
But.... all I think you are saying is that the new one is bigger, more powerful & easier to drive.
Nothing new there, it is the Porsche way, the lovers of the last gen will swear theirs are better, & then men with beards will rub them & nod to old skool followers & say ours are better than that.
Now if you want a real argument then ask who has the biggest beard, & then ask if he wears sandals.
Cheers.
Kettles don't attract beards, apparently! But.... all I think you are saying is that the new one is bigger, more powerful & easier to drive.
Nothing new there, it is the Porsche way, the lovers of the last gen will swear theirs are better, & then men with beards will rub them & nod to old skool followers & say ours are better than that.
Now if you want a real argument then ask who has the biggest beard, & then ask if he wears sandals.
Cheers.
i think what the OP was trying to imply is that the new 991 is almost MP4-12C like for half the price.
That's my 2 cents without even having tried an MP4-12C..
I seriously need to try it out for myself.
Indeed, the 21th century sports car is agility with limo like ride comfort. Perhaps this is now the new benchmark..
That's my 2 cents without even having tried an MP4-12C..
I seriously need to try it out for myself.
Indeed, the 21th century sports car is agility with limo like ride comfort. Perhaps this is now the new benchmark..
SFO said:
1st PDK car had PDCC, PSE and Sport Chrono Plus (with the engine mounts); the second was plain PDK.
Drove about 30 miles in Car 1 all around the Sussex countryside.
Very fast, very capable and much more refined than the 997. The acceleration in PDK Sport Plus is quite stunning.
Standard exhaust is much louder than 997, but it is less mechanical than the 997 DFi sound. With PSE, it is rortier, bassier, you lose even more clarity, and it is more muffled. You get the lift off overrun burble which is special. Unfortunately, I think it has lost quite a bit of the distinctive flat 6 chatter. PSE is not the obvious must have that I had assumed it would be.
The ride is really very accomplished. Limo like, yet with wonderful agility and athleticism. It feels light on its feet.
It corners on rails. There is no roll, no unchecked or moving masses as you chuck the car around. Truly incredible. The way the suspension flattens bumps and road irregularities while retaining traction, and not causing the car to bounce around is phenomenal.
Steering is too self-assured. There is no jiggling, no minor movements to tell you what the road surface is like. Even when accelerating hard out of bend, it is neutral – you don’t get as much of a feel of the rear digging in as you do in the 997. I didn’t think that there was nearly enough feel. It is very light, but is incredibly accurate. Placing the car on apexs and other bits of road you aim at is effortless and utterly precise. Yet, it felt too digital, too 21st century perfect. It’s much like the transition from vinyl to CD. Am not convinced .. a longer drive is needed.
Brakes were excellent. Stopping power is simply fantastic. Wonderful feel too.
Sunroof was lovely. Fully open at high speeds, no buffeting and some wind coming into the cabin, and conversation easily maintained.
Drove car 2 for about 10 miles. In many ways, it felt more natural because it moved about more, and was more “alive”. The laws of physics come back into play on corners, so, to me, it felt more natural and less digital.
Overall, it is dynamically extremely polished. It is stupidly easy to drive, and to drive very fast. Anyone can have a good time with it. Its talents are easily, perhaps too easily, accessible. Definitely a right now, right here, perform perfectly now on demand, 21st century thing of wonder.
However, has it lost its soul, and some of its personality? Has it become too main stream? In TV terms, it has gone from after 9pm to before 9pm.
What did you think of the PDCC? As far as I am aware the car I have at the moment hasn't got it and it's pretty flat - I wonder whether PDCC would make that much difference.Drove about 30 miles in Car 1 all around the Sussex countryside.
Very fast, very capable and much more refined than the 997. The acceleration in PDK Sport Plus is quite stunning.
Standard exhaust is much louder than 997, but it is less mechanical than the 997 DFi sound. With PSE, it is rortier, bassier, you lose even more clarity, and it is more muffled. You get the lift off overrun burble which is special. Unfortunately, I think it has lost quite a bit of the distinctive flat 6 chatter. PSE is not the obvious must have that I had assumed it would be.
The ride is really very accomplished. Limo like, yet with wonderful agility and athleticism. It feels light on its feet.
It corners on rails. There is no roll, no unchecked or moving masses as you chuck the car around. Truly incredible. The way the suspension flattens bumps and road irregularities while retaining traction, and not causing the car to bounce around is phenomenal.
Steering is too self-assured. There is no jiggling, no minor movements to tell you what the road surface is like. Even when accelerating hard out of bend, it is neutral – you don’t get as much of a feel of the rear digging in as you do in the 997. I didn’t think that there was nearly enough feel. It is very light, but is incredibly accurate. Placing the car on apexs and other bits of road you aim at is effortless and utterly precise. Yet, it felt too digital, too 21st century perfect. It’s much like the transition from vinyl to CD. Am not convinced .. a longer drive is needed.
Brakes were excellent. Stopping power is simply fantastic. Wonderful feel too.
Sunroof was lovely. Fully open at high speeds, no buffeting and some wind coming into the cabin, and conversation easily maintained.
Drove car 2 for about 10 miles. In many ways, it felt more natural because it moved about more, and was more “alive”. The laws of physics come back into play on corners, so, to me, it felt more natural and less digital.
Overall, it is dynamically extremely polished. It is stupidly easy to drive, and to drive very fast. Anyone can have a good time with it. Its talents are easily, perhaps too easily, accessible. Definitely a right now, right here, perform perfectly now on demand, 21st century thing of wonder.
However, has it lost its soul, and some of its personality? Has it become too main stream? In TV terms, it has gone from after 9pm to before 9pm.
Manks said:
What did you think of the PDCC? As far as I am aware the car I have at the moment hasn't got it and it's pretty flat - I wonder whether PDCC would make that much difference.
PDCC is black magic. It pretty much eliminates roll, makes the car defy the laws of physics. PDCC also makes the car tauter, and more resposnsive. Sharpens turn in, and allows higher speeds into and out of corners.You can understand how it helps the 991 with PDCC match the 7.2 GT3's Nurburgring time.
SFO said:
Manks said:
What did you think of the PDCC? As far as I am aware the car I have at the moment hasn't got it and it's pretty flat - I wonder whether PDCC would make that much difference.
PDCC is black magic. It pretty much eliminates roll, makes the car defy the laws of physics. PDCC also makes the car tauter, and more resposnsive. Sharpens turn in, and allows higher speeds into and out of corners.You can understand how it helps the 991 with PDCC match the 7.2 GT3's Nurburgring time.
khooni said:
i think what the OP was trying to imply is that the new 991 is almost MP4-12C like for half the price.
That's my 2 cents without even having tried an MP4-12C..
I seriously need to try it out for myself.
Indeed, the 21th century sports car is agility with limo like ride comfort. Perhaps this is now the new benchmark..
It is the new benchmark for a market that in the main wants a 'sports' car that isn't really a sports car. That's my 2 cents without even having tried an MP4-12C..
I seriously need to try it out for myself.
Indeed, the 21th century sports car is agility with limo like ride comfort. Perhaps this is now the new benchmark..
tomw2000 said:
khooni said:
i think what the OP was trying to imply is that the new 991 is almost MP4-12C like for half the price.
That's my 2 cents without even having tried an MP4-12C..
I seriously need to try it out for myself.
Indeed, the 21th century sports car is agility with limo like ride comfort. Perhaps this is now the new benchmark..
It is the new benchmark for a market that in the main wants a 'sports' car that isn't really a sports car. That's my 2 cents without even having tried an MP4-12C..
I seriously need to try it out for myself.
Indeed, the 21th century sports car is agility with limo like ride comfort. Perhaps this is now the new benchmark..
Not sure why one would want to eliminate roll on a road car. I want a little bit of roll to keep me informed of how much lateral load I'm asking the car to cope with.
Maybe eliminating roll altogether is a marketing trick to make drivers feel that the car works really well, however far they actually are from the limits of grip ?
Maybe eliminating roll altogether is a marketing trick to make drivers feel that the car works really well, however far they actually are from the limits of grip ?
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