viewing one on the weekend..
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Hi all,
Viewing a c4s on the weekend 200 miles away! '04' plate at £21K with mid 60k on the clock. Will be getting a independant check done but want to just take a look at first.
What should I look out for that might ring alarms?
It has a switchable exhaust but I've heard these aren't stainless and have a shelf life of circa 5-7 years.. Is this right?
Hasn't had a clutch or any other 'consumables' (aircon rads, coil packs etc) replaced. Would you be worried?
has only covered less than 1000 miles in the past year - this is the reason for the sale. Is so much standing good for a car?
cheers
Viewing a c4s on the weekend 200 miles away! '04' plate at £21K with mid 60k on the clock. Will be getting a independant check done but want to just take a look at first.
What should I look out for that might ring alarms?
It has a switchable exhaust but I've heard these aren't stainless and have a shelf life of circa 5-7 years.. Is this right?
Hasn't had a clutch or any other 'consumables' (aircon rads, coil packs etc) replaced. Would you be worried?
has only covered less than 1000 miles in the past year - this is the reason for the sale. Is so much standing good for a car?
cheers
Edited by chrisobo on Wednesday 25th January 09:24
chrisobo said:
Hi all,
with mid 60k on the clock
have a shelf life of circa 5-7 years..
Hasn't had a clutch or any other 'consumables' (aircon rads, coil packs etc)
Not heard of anyone replacing PSE after 5-7 years and most have been on the cars for getting on for a decade.......with mid 60k on the clock
have a shelf life of circa 5-7 years..
Hasn't had a clutch or any other 'consumables' (aircon rads, coil packs etc)
NO CONSUMABLES!! At 60K it will need a clutch soon - I got 50k out of my first one, unless it has had mesh in the front its whole life it will need condensors and radiators at some point soon, coil packs will probably be cracked at this age, brakes etc etc.....
Hopefully it has had these and there is just no record - otherwise the car needs a couple of grand if not more fairly soon.
Does not mean that its a bad buy just that you need to be aware of future costs.
chrisobo said:
Hasn't had a clutch or any other 'consumables' (aircon rads, coil packs etc) replaced. Would you be worried?
Not 'worried' per se, but clutch could be due soon at that mileage so you should factor that into the price. Rads only need done if they are damaged leaking (which is common due to their vulnerability as a result of their postion)
chrisobo said:
has only covered less than 1000 miles in the past year - this is the reason for the sale. Is so much standing good for a car?
I suppose it depends on the spread. If it was a 20 mile run every week I can't see that being a problem, but if it's been sat for long periods then I'd be more concerned.At that mileage if it hasn't had clutch, rads and condensers in its life then I'd budget another £3k on top for maintenance in the next year.
You should have had mine that had everything you've mentioned done with 71k miles and £3k less instead of making a cheeky offer via email, telling me it wasn't worth what I was asking.
You should have had mine that had everything you've mentioned done with 71k miles and £3k less instead of making a cheeky offer via email, telling me it wasn't worth what I was asking.
BrewsterBear said:
At that mileage if it hasn't had clutch, rads and condensers in its life then I'd budget another £3k on top for maintenance in the next year.
You should have had mine that had everything you've mentioned done with 71k miles and £3k less instead of making a cheeky offer via email, telling me it wasn't worth what I was asking.
Meow.You should have had mine that had everything you've mentioned done with 71k miles and £3k less instead of making a cheeky offer via email, telling me it wasn't worth what I was asking.
gibbon said:
Meow.
Yeah, maybe a bit. It's not entirely the OP's fault - the whole debacle of selling a Porsche privately can really sour your view of the human race in general.The number of emails you receive from idiots wanting you to let them test drive it for a weekend, knock £2k off because they want an inspection and expect you to pay for it, want it transported across the country and expect you to pick up the tab, etc and all without even being arsed to pick up the phone, let alone actually look at the car.
It just seems strange to see one such enquirer asking for advice on a car that has had very little work done and is considerably more expensive. Strikes me as another dreamer, that's all. Fortunately my car did find a reasonable buyer and in reasonable time as it was priced competitively.
Hey, Brewsterberk, you know nothing about me so shut up! I shouldn’t have to but I’m going to respond to your bitter rant.
Me, a dreamer? Too effin right I am pal! I’ve been a dreamer since I was a 15 year old lad back in 1988 and I saw the guy who lived in the street next to mine rumble past in his new red 911 Carrera and decided there and then that I would have one at some point! I was also dreaming when my working mates were driving around in Astra GTEs and Renault 5 turbos while I was in college with my sights set on getting a good job so as I could afford one! I suppose you could also say I was a dreamer when the Child Support Agency tried to ruin me with their assessment (finishes this February. weheyyy!) and I could only manage to secrete small regular £s into my ‘Porsche’ savings pool! Maybe, just maybe, you could even say that I was dreaming when my employer announced just before xmas that it was restructuring departments this year and I decided that it was now or never to buy one…
In response to my ‘cheeky’ offer. There was nothing ‘cheeky’ about it! The depth of my Porsche pool would cover cars for circa what you were selling yours for. That’s the only reason for my interest in it. My giving you reasons for the offer was to try and get across that I was not just being ’cheeky’ and that if I could afford it would have offered the asking price (at that price). Hence why I said ‘could offer’ and not ‘would offer’ in my email.
As for the sudden budget increase. I took heed of the advice in your email about my budget. You’re bang on. It made perfect sense and realised I won’t get much for what I have in savings. I decided that rather than wait and keeping plugging away at the pool I would secure finance to increase my aim upto circa £22k which I promptly did on Monday.
Also, you’re not the only one to have ever sold a car and had the test pilots and the “I’ll offer you £10k less than your asking price” merchants all mithering you. We’ve all been there and if you’ll take my advice - get over it. Your bitterness will eat you from the inside out... Indeed people on this forum suggest test driving as many as you can before you buy (see my earlier thread)! Now if that’s not wasting the seller’s time... We’re all sellers, we’re all buyers. It’s the way it is.
So, in short, Brasterbear, I am a dreamer and I’m not ashamed of it. After all and as Captain Sensible said; “you’ve got to have a dream. If you don’t have a dream, how you gonna have a dream come true!?” Now, at 38 and with some discipline along the way I’m fortunate enough to realise one of my dreams! A bit rushed but there you go.
There. That’s it. I’ve responded! I started this thread for help and genuine responses to my original question. If you want to rant, please start a new ‘ranting’ thread and leave this one to people on this forum who do genuinely want to offer help (I do note that you did give some advice. Thank you for that).
Me, a dreamer? Too effin right I am pal! I’ve been a dreamer since I was a 15 year old lad back in 1988 and I saw the guy who lived in the street next to mine rumble past in his new red 911 Carrera and decided there and then that I would have one at some point! I was also dreaming when my working mates were driving around in Astra GTEs and Renault 5 turbos while I was in college with my sights set on getting a good job so as I could afford one! I suppose you could also say I was a dreamer when the Child Support Agency tried to ruin me with their assessment (finishes this February. weheyyy!) and I could only manage to secrete small regular £s into my ‘Porsche’ savings pool! Maybe, just maybe, you could even say that I was dreaming when my employer announced just before xmas that it was restructuring departments this year and I decided that it was now or never to buy one…
In response to my ‘cheeky’ offer. There was nothing ‘cheeky’ about it! The depth of my Porsche pool would cover cars for circa what you were selling yours for. That’s the only reason for my interest in it. My giving you reasons for the offer was to try and get across that I was not just being ’cheeky’ and that if I could afford it would have offered the asking price (at that price). Hence why I said ‘could offer’ and not ‘would offer’ in my email.
As for the sudden budget increase. I took heed of the advice in your email about my budget. You’re bang on. It made perfect sense and realised I won’t get much for what I have in savings. I decided that rather than wait and keeping plugging away at the pool I would secure finance to increase my aim upto circa £22k which I promptly did on Monday.
Also, you’re not the only one to have ever sold a car and had the test pilots and the “I’ll offer you £10k less than your asking price” merchants all mithering you. We’ve all been there and if you’ll take my advice - get over it. Your bitterness will eat you from the inside out... Indeed people on this forum suggest test driving as many as you can before you buy (see my earlier thread)! Now if that’s not wasting the seller’s time... We’re all sellers, we’re all buyers. It’s the way it is.
So, in short, Brasterbear, I am a dreamer and I’m not ashamed of it. After all and as Captain Sensible said; “you’ve got to have a dream. If you don’t have a dream, how you gonna have a dream come true!?” Now, at 38 and with some discipline along the way I’m fortunate enough to realise one of my dreams! A bit rushed but there you go.
There. That’s it. I’ve responded! I started this thread for help and genuine responses to my original question. If you want to rant, please start a new ‘ranting’ thread and leave this one to people on this forum who do genuinely want to offer help (I do note that you did give some advice. Thank you for that).
time...If you've had dealings with the CSA in the early 90's you'll know what they were\are! Basically, they assessed dads to get money for the mums. But they pretty much assessed the dads by working out the bare minimum the dad needed to live on and taking the rest. I'm not joking! I think they operate differently nowadays though and just take a fixed % of your salary...
chrisobo said:
Hey, Brewsterberk, you know nothing about me so shut up! I shouldn’t have to but I’m going to respond to your bitter rant.
Me, a dreamer? Too effin right I am pal! I’ve been a dreamer since I was a 15 year old lad back in 1988 and I saw the guy who lived in the street next to mine rumble past in his new red 911 Carrera and decided there and then that I would have one at some point! I was also dreaming when my working mates were driving around in Astra GTEs and Renault 5 turbos while I was in college with my sights set on getting a good job so as I could afford one! I suppose you could also say I was a dreamer when the Child Support Agency tried to ruin me with their assessment (finishes this February. weheyyy!) and I could only manage to secrete small regular £s into my ‘Porsche’ savings pool! Maybe, just maybe, you could even say that I was dreaming when my employer announced just before xmas that it was restructuring departments this year and I decided that it was now or never to buy one…
In response to my ‘cheeky’ offer. There was nothing ‘cheeky’ about it! The depth of my Porsche pool would cover cars for circa what you were selling yours for. That’s the only reason for my interest in it. My giving you reasons for the offer was to try and get across that I was not just being ’cheeky’ and that if I could afford it would have offered the asking price (at that price). Hence why I said ‘could offer’ and not ‘would offer’ in my email.
As for the sudden budget increase. I took heed of the advice in your email about my budget. You’re bang on. It made perfect sense and realised I won’t get much for what I have in savings. I decided that rather than wait and keeping plugging away at the pool I would secure finance to increase my aim upto circa £22k which I promptly did on Monday.
Also, you’re not the only one to have ever sold a car and had the test pilots and the “I’ll offer you £10k less than your asking price” merchants all mithering you. We’ve all been there and if you’ll take my advice - get over it. Your bitterness will eat you from the inside out... Indeed people on this forum suggest test driving as many as you can before you buy (see my earlier thread)! Now if that’s not wasting the seller’s time... We’re all sellers, we’re all buyers. It’s the way it is.
So, in short, Brasterbear, I am a dreamer and I’m not ashamed of it. After all and as Captain Sensible said; “you’ve got to have a dream. If you don’t have a dream, how you gonna have a dream come true!?” Now, at 38 and with some discipline along the way I’m fortunate enough to realise one of my dreams! A bit rushed but there you go.
There. That’s it. I’ve responded! I started this thread for help and genuine responses to my original question. If you want to rant, please start a new ‘ranting’ thread and leave this one to people on this forum who do genuinely want to offer help (I do note that you did give some advice. Thank you for that).
Brewster Bear's post might have grated - but did it really warrant this response? Me, a dreamer? Too effin right I am pal! I’ve been a dreamer since I was a 15 year old lad back in 1988 and I saw the guy who lived in the street next to mine rumble past in his new red 911 Carrera and decided there and then that I would have one at some point! I was also dreaming when my working mates were driving around in Astra GTEs and Renault 5 turbos while I was in college with my sights set on getting a good job so as I could afford one! I suppose you could also say I was a dreamer when the Child Support Agency tried to ruin me with their assessment (finishes this February. weheyyy!) and I could only manage to secrete small regular £s into my ‘Porsche’ savings pool! Maybe, just maybe, you could even say that I was dreaming when my employer announced just before xmas that it was restructuring departments this year and I decided that it was now or never to buy one…
In response to my ‘cheeky’ offer. There was nothing ‘cheeky’ about it! The depth of my Porsche pool would cover cars for circa what you were selling yours for. That’s the only reason for my interest in it. My giving you reasons for the offer was to try and get across that I was not just being ’cheeky’ and that if I could afford it would have offered the asking price (at that price). Hence why I said ‘could offer’ and not ‘would offer’ in my email.
As for the sudden budget increase. I took heed of the advice in your email about my budget. You’re bang on. It made perfect sense and realised I won’t get much for what I have in savings. I decided that rather than wait and keeping plugging away at the pool I would secure finance to increase my aim upto circa £22k which I promptly did on Monday.
Also, you’re not the only one to have ever sold a car and had the test pilots and the “I’ll offer you £10k less than your asking price” merchants all mithering you. We’ve all been there and if you’ll take my advice - get over it. Your bitterness will eat you from the inside out... Indeed people on this forum suggest test driving as many as you can before you buy (see my earlier thread)! Now if that’s not wasting the seller’s time... We’re all sellers, we’re all buyers. It’s the way it is.
So, in short, Brasterbear, I am a dreamer and I’m not ashamed of it. After all and as Captain Sensible said; “you’ve got to have a dream. If you don’t have a dream, how you gonna have a dream come true!?” Now, at 38 and with some discipline along the way I’m fortunate enough to realise one of my dreams! A bit rushed but there you go.
There. That’s it. I’ve responded! I started this thread for help and genuine responses to my original question. If you want to rant, please start a new ‘ranting’ thread and leave this one to people on this forum who do genuinely want to offer help (I do note that you did give some advice. Thank you for that).
chrisobo said:
Hey, Brewsterberk, you know nothing about me so shut up! I shouldn’t have to but I’m going to respond to your bitter rant.
Me, a dreamer? Too effin right I am pal! I’ve been a dreamer since I was a 15 year old lad back in 1988 and I saw the guy who lived in the street next to mine rumble past in his new red 911 Carrera and decided there and then that I would have one at some point! I was also dreaming when my working mates were driving around in Astra GTEs and Renault 5 turbos while I was in college with my sights set on getting a good job so as I could afford one! I suppose you could also say I was a dreamer when the Child Support Agency tried to ruin me with their assessment (finishes this February. weheyyy!) and I could only manage to secrete small regular £s into my ‘Porsche’ savings pool! Maybe, just maybe, you could even say that I was dreaming when my employer announced just before xmas that it was restructuring departments this year and I decided that it was now or never to buy one…
In response to my ‘cheeky’ offer. There was nothing ‘cheeky’ about it! The depth of my Porsche pool would cover cars for circa what you were selling yours for. That’s the only reason for my interest in it. My giving you reasons for the offer was to try and get across that I was not just being ’cheeky’ and that if I could afford it would have offered the asking price (at that price). Hence why I said ‘could offer’ and not ‘would offer’ in my email.
As for the sudden budget increase. I took heed of the advice in your email about my budget. You’re bang on. It made perfect sense and realised I won’t get much for what I have in savings. I decided that rather than wait and keeping plugging away at the pool I would secure finance to increase my aim upto circa £22k which I promptly did on Monday.
Also, you’re not the only one to have ever sold a car and had the test pilots and the “I’ll offer you £10k less than your asking price” merchants all mithering you. We’ve all been there and if you’ll take my advice - get over it. Your bitterness will eat you from the inside out... Indeed people on this forum suggest test driving as many as you can before you buy (see my earlier thread)! Now if that’s not wasting the seller’s time... We’re all sellers, we’re all buyers. It’s the way it is.
So, in short, Brasterbear, I am a dreamer and I’m not ashamed of it. After all and as Captain Sensible said; “you’ve got to have a dream. If you don’t have a dream, how you gonna have a dream come true!?” Now, at 38 and with some discipline along the way I’m fortunate enough to realise one of my dreams! A bit rushed but there you go.
There. That’s it. I’ve responded! I started this thread for help and genuine responses to my original question. If you want to rant, please start a new ‘ranting’ thread and leave this one to people on this forum who do genuinely want to offer help (I do note that you did give some advice. Thank you for that).
If you've listened to advice then that's fair enough, but rather than emailing sellers with offers you'll get a far better response if you actually show interest enough in a car to at least call about it.Me, a dreamer? Too effin right I am pal! I’ve been a dreamer since I was a 15 year old lad back in 1988 and I saw the guy who lived in the street next to mine rumble past in his new red 911 Carrera and decided there and then that I would have one at some point! I was also dreaming when my working mates were driving around in Astra GTEs and Renault 5 turbos while I was in college with my sights set on getting a good job so as I could afford one! I suppose you could also say I was a dreamer when the Child Support Agency tried to ruin me with their assessment (finishes this February. weheyyy!) and I could only manage to secrete small regular £s into my ‘Porsche’ savings pool! Maybe, just maybe, you could even say that I was dreaming when my employer announced just before xmas that it was restructuring departments this year and I decided that it was now or never to buy one…
In response to my ‘cheeky’ offer. There was nothing ‘cheeky’ about it! The depth of my Porsche pool would cover cars for circa what you were selling yours for. That’s the only reason for my interest in it. My giving you reasons for the offer was to try and get across that I was not just being ’cheeky’ and that if I could afford it would have offered the asking price (at that price). Hence why I said ‘could offer’ and not ‘would offer’ in my email.
As for the sudden budget increase. I took heed of the advice in your email about my budget. You’re bang on. It made perfect sense and realised I won’t get much for what I have in savings. I decided that rather than wait and keeping plugging away at the pool I would secure finance to increase my aim upto circa £22k which I promptly did on Monday.
Also, you’re not the only one to have ever sold a car and had the test pilots and the “I’ll offer you £10k less than your asking price” merchants all mithering you. We’ve all been there and if you’ll take my advice - get over it. Your bitterness will eat you from the inside out... Indeed people on this forum suggest test driving as many as you can before you buy (see my earlier thread)! Now if that’s not wasting the seller’s time... We’re all sellers, we’re all buyers. It’s the way it is.
So, in short, Brasterbear, I am a dreamer and I’m not ashamed of it. After all and as Captain Sensible said; “you’ve got to have a dream. If you don’t have a dream, how you gonna have a dream come true!?” Now, at 38 and with some discipline along the way I’m fortunate enough to realise one of my dreams! A bit rushed but there you go.
There. That’s it. I’ve responded! I started this thread for help and genuine responses to my original question. If you want to rant, please start a new ‘ranting’ thread and leave this one to people on this forum who do genuinely want to offer help (I do note that you did give some advice. Thank you for that).
Yes, go out and test drive a few, but do yourself a favour and don't shout about it on the internet. One of the reasons you got short shrift from me was your previous thread. I am not 911 Experience provider and my time is valuable to me. Just because I'm selling doesn't mean you're justified in having a joyride to get a feel for the model you might eventually buy when you've hidden enough money from the CSA.
I've bought and sold three 911s now. Each time I went to view I was ready to buy on the spot if the car was right. Not all of them were and I explained the reasons to the sellers at the time and they couldn't argue. When I sold my previous 911 I had 7 people view the car. Not one gave a justified reason for not buying, just that they'd "think about it," or "I've got others to see." One even told me, after the test drive, that he'd already put a deposit on another and wanted to try mine out as mine had just had the suspension rebuilt. He very nearly took his teeth home in a doggy bag.
As such I don't take kindly to "buyers" that make offers via email without having seen the car. The fact you're looking at one with almost the same miles, but far less maintenace carried out and for a far higher price means you appear to not know what you're doing, except wasting your own time and that of others while you think about making that terrifying first step into owning a car that you've scrimped to afford and might bankrupt you.
Good luck living the dream.
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