Wide variety of journalists' opinions on the 991...quotes
Discussion
I am confused, as I have rarely seen a new gen 991 receive other than rave reviews. Yet, I won the group test in Autocar decisively,came third in Evo. Most reviews say its objectively the best 911, but there is an underlying sense of loss of character too, and not just with one journalist. I looked back at the reviews ( all avaiable on line) from both sides of the Pond.
Here are some quotes:
CONCLUSIONS:
Daily Telegraph:
"But is it a better 911? Here the 911 zoo begins a debate on just how scary a 911 should be. I think the 997 predecessor was marginally more of a Porsche."
Automobile Magazine:
"If the 991 is the only 911 you've ever driven, you'll probably think it's the best Porsche ever -- and in many ways we agree. If, on the other hand, you reveled in the old 911's endless feedback; if you relished the thrill of taming a car that didn't really want to be tamed; if you loved the 911 precisely because it wasn't perfect; and, certainly, if you thought that the Porsche 911 was an icon that couldn't be improved and shouldn't be changed, then the 2012 Porsche 911 might not feel like that much of an icon to you."
Car and Driver:
"Meanwhile, the new Carrera is more comfortable and transits quickly, more securely, and with less of the white-knuckle body heaving and tail twitching that has long defined the 911’s unique character. Porschephiles may have been wondering at what point their beloved 911 ceases to be a 911 and becomes just a good sports car with an engine in the trunk. That day may have arrived."
CAR:
" Its more refined.more comfortable.and more economical than ever before,but what matters is that it still has that unique 911 feel and character. The outgoing Carrera GTS is more interactive and involving but this new Porsche 911 isn't far behind - while offering a much broader range of talents to a larger audience."
MSN UK:
"It's impossible not to be impressed by what Porsche has achieved with its latest icon. Engineering and technology have been combined to push the boundaries of rear-engined design several steps forward.But it's not a five star car. By building a Porsche for a broader audience of buyers, a few too many of the little things that form an indelible part of the 911 appeal to enthusiasts have been pushed away."
Classic Car (John Simister)
"Objectively the new 911 is outstanding, but part of a 911's appeal has always been its streak of demanding imperfection. That's why I'd sooner snap up an almost-new 997 GTS while I still can. I never thought I'd consider a simple handbrake lever a bringer of joy, but I do now."
Wall Street Journal (Dan Neil)
' If anything, Porsche has managed to dial up the immediacy of the 911, with quicker reflexes—the electrical steering is first-rate—a more emotional exhaust note and, at full throttle, the capacity for real, edgy violence. You need only drop the Porsche into second gear and nail the throttle."
"The naturally aspirated, direct-injection 3.8-liter flat six mutters quietly, awaiting its chance. The suspension compliance is velvety, the throttle response relaxed. Porsche's product planners would like the new 911 to appeal to more women. Just call me Nancy.
This car is a work in progress? More like an unfinished masterpiece."
EVO ( quoted from a post here)
'Theres a layer of gauze between you and the car'
'Rather aloof and cold'
'Lacking cohesion and sweet uniformity of weights'
'An inconsistency of connection'
'A general lack of detail through the wheel'
'Sounds like..looks like...but doesnt drive like a 911'
Motor Sport:
"What astounds me is that this is just the start. In time will come the Turbos, GT3s and, lordy me, even GT2 variants – each faster and more ferocious. But if you believe in starting as you mean to go on, it’s hard to see how Porsche could have done a much better job of replacing its icon than this."
Autocar:
"I can’t honestly think of a new driver’s car due out in 2012 that’s likely to be better. A Lotus Evora may be a purer, more sweetly balanced thrill, but it lacks complexity next to the 911. An Aston Martin Vantage is a much duller drive; an Audi R8 closer, but no match.
BUT - QUESTIONS
Daily Telegraph
"The seven-speed manual is basically the PDK ’box with slightly different third and seventh ratios. It isn’t a success, presenting a bewildering array of five vertical selection planes"
"Only occasionally do you find a slight hollowness in the steering feel, but it’s a very clever piece of engineering."
Automobile Magazine:
"In fact, the 2012 Porsche 911 has no temper at all. The rear end never feels like it's going to come unstuck. And the steering? Well, it never feels like much at all. As a result, the new 911 doesn't really feel like a 911"
CAR:
"you'll learn to live with it, but there are many other things you can learn to live with but don't necessarily want to have in your life. If you've ever been behind the wheel of a GT3 then its instantly obvious that that delectable steering feel is missing"
MSN UK
"The longer wheelbase provides most of the improvement and electro-mechanical power steering the rest.
It changes the character. The steering is as sharp and precise as ever, but the feedback from bumps and small surface imperfections has largely disappeared. It's all progress says Porsche, but there are also reasons to mourn the loss of the old 911 character."
Classic Car (John SImister)
"And the steering? Porsche claims it to be the most advanced and most natural-feeling electric system yet invented, with new levels of cleverness in the way it interprets the driver's torque inputs to create the correct effect from the cause. But it feels a bit sloppy around the centre, as if there's a loose rubber joint in the system, and there's little in the way of subtle picture-painting feedback, just a level of resistance the electronics judge suitable"
Motor Sport
"And that steering, while not so garrulously communicative as 911 die-hards might like, makes every other electric steering system I’ve tried look nothing less than incompetent."
Autocar
"Not to like? There’s the slightly mushy centre feel of that electric power steering. Being very picky indeed, you could also say that the shift quality of the manual gearbox leaves a smidge to be desired, and may wonder why Porsche still hasn’t made its direct injection engines respond to millimetric throttle adjustments with the same creamy smoothness of its older lumps. But we don’t think you’d wonder for very long"
Clarkson ( quoted from a post here)
JC: "... great engine...awful steering"
Hammond: "it's not awful, it just doesn't feel very 911 anymore"
JC: "... they've ruined it."
Hammond: "You're right, they've killed the thing that made it special"
Here are some quotes:
CONCLUSIONS:
Daily Telegraph:
"But is it a better 911? Here the 911 zoo begins a debate on just how scary a 911 should be. I think the 997 predecessor was marginally more of a Porsche."
Automobile Magazine:
"If the 991 is the only 911 you've ever driven, you'll probably think it's the best Porsche ever -- and in many ways we agree. If, on the other hand, you reveled in the old 911's endless feedback; if you relished the thrill of taming a car that didn't really want to be tamed; if you loved the 911 precisely because it wasn't perfect; and, certainly, if you thought that the Porsche 911 was an icon that couldn't be improved and shouldn't be changed, then the 2012 Porsche 911 might not feel like that much of an icon to you."
Car and Driver:
"Meanwhile, the new Carrera is more comfortable and transits quickly, more securely, and with less of the white-knuckle body heaving and tail twitching that has long defined the 911’s unique character. Porschephiles may have been wondering at what point their beloved 911 ceases to be a 911 and becomes just a good sports car with an engine in the trunk. That day may have arrived."
CAR:
" Its more refined.more comfortable.and more economical than ever before,but what matters is that it still has that unique 911 feel and character. The outgoing Carrera GTS is more interactive and involving but this new Porsche 911 isn't far behind - while offering a much broader range of talents to a larger audience."
MSN UK:
"It's impossible not to be impressed by what Porsche has achieved with its latest icon. Engineering and technology have been combined to push the boundaries of rear-engined design several steps forward.But it's not a five star car. By building a Porsche for a broader audience of buyers, a few too many of the little things that form an indelible part of the 911 appeal to enthusiasts have been pushed away."
Classic Car (John Simister)
"Objectively the new 911 is outstanding, but part of a 911's appeal has always been its streak of demanding imperfection. That's why I'd sooner snap up an almost-new 997 GTS while I still can. I never thought I'd consider a simple handbrake lever a bringer of joy, but I do now."
Wall Street Journal (Dan Neil)
' If anything, Porsche has managed to dial up the immediacy of the 911, with quicker reflexes—the electrical steering is first-rate—a more emotional exhaust note and, at full throttle, the capacity for real, edgy violence. You need only drop the Porsche into second gear and nail the throttle."
"The naturally aspirated, direct-injection 3.8-liter flat six mutters quietly, awaiting its chance. The suspension compliance is velvety, the throttle response relaxed. Porsche's product planners would like the new 911 to appeal to more women. Just call me Nancy.
This car is a work in progress? More like an unfinished masterpiece."
EVO ( quoted from a post here)
'Theres a layer of gauze between you and the car'
'Rather aloof and cold'
'Lacking cohesion and sweet uniformity of weights'
'An inconsistency of connection'
'A general lack of detail through the wheel'
'Sounds like..looks like...but doesnt drive like a 911'
Motor Sport:
"What astounds me is that this is just the start. In time will come the Turbos, GT3s and, lordy me, even GT2 variants – each faster and more ferocious. But if you believe in starting as you mean to go on, it’s hard to see how Porsche could have done a much better job of replacing its icon than this."
Autocar:
"I can’t honestly think of a new driver’s car due out in 2012 that’s likely to be better. A Lotus Evora may be a purer, more sweetly balanced thrill, but it lacks complexity next to the 911. An Aston Martin Vantage is a much duller drive; an Audi R8 closer, but no match.
BUT - QUESTIONS
Daily Telegraph
"The seven-speed manual is basically the PDK ’box with slightly different third and seventh ratios. It isn’t a success, presenting a bewildering array of five vertical selection planes"
"Only occasionally do you find a slight hollowness in the steering feel, but it’s a very clever piece of engineering."
Automobile Magazine:
"In fact, the 2012 Porsche 911 has no temper at all. The rear end never feels like it's going to come unstuck. And the steering? Well, it never feels like much at all. As a result, the new 911 doesn't really feel like a 911"
CAR:
"you'll learn to live with it, but there are many other things you can learn to live with but don't necessarily want to have in your life. If you've ever been behind the wheel of a GT3 then its instantly obvious that that delectable steering feel is missing"
MSN UK
"The longer wheelbase provides most of the improvement and electro-mechanical power steering the rest.
It changes the character. The steering is as sharp and precise as ever, but the feedback from bumps and small surface imperfections has largely disappeared. It's all progress says Porsche, but there are also reasons to mourn the loss of the old 911 character."
Classic Car (John SImister)
"And the steering? Porsche claims it to be the most advanced and most natural-feeling electric system yet invented, with new levels of cleverness in the way it interprets the driver's torque inputs to create the correct effect from the cause. But it feels a bit sloppy around the centre, as if there's a loose rubber joint in the system, and there's little in the way of subtle picture-painting feedback, just a level of resistance the electronics judge suitable"
Motor Sport
"And that steering, while not so garrulously communicative as 911 die-hards might like, makes every other electric steering system I’ve tried look nothing less than incompetent."
Autocar
"Not to like? There’s the slightly mushy centre feel of that electric power steering. Being very picky indeed, you could also say that the shift quality of the manual gearbox leaves a smidge to be desired, and may wonder why Porsche still hasn’t made its direct injection engines respond to millimetric throttle adjustments with the same creamy smoothness of its older lumps. But we don’t think you’d wonder for very long"
Clarkson ( quoted from a post here)
JC: "... great engine...awful steering"
Hammond: "it's not awful, it just doesn't feel very 911 anymore"
JC: "... they've ruined it."
Hammond: "You're right, they've killed the thing that made it special"
Dr S said:
Thanks for pulling this together. After reading the many reviews around for the first time I don't feel the urge to have a go in a new 911. A 991 GT3 might change that but until then...
I will also wait to see if they build something that is edgier rather than simply faster. With the GT3 there is the added factor that the Mezger engine is now history.... (maybe a 6 speed box and different steering?..) we will have to wait and see.Well, I am not a journalist nor am I any kind of expert. But I have owned several 911s from 1980 onwards, driven a number more from the earliest cars to the latest, including the 997 from Gen 1 to GTS. I have driven three 991s of varying specifications on the road and on a track.
My opinion as an unsophistciated punter is that each 911 has been an improvement upon the former. When I traded my air cooled 911s for a 997 a number of people said, "ah but it's not a proper 911, I would far prefer an air-cooled car" yet I thought the 997 was in a different league as an enjoyable motor to drive and I would not have traded back for all the tea in China.
In the same way, I much prefer the 991 to the 997. It is a nicer place to be and a better car to drive, not to mention a good deal faster in the real world. Having driven the 997 and 991 back to back and back again I cannot say that the "feel" is of any importance at all.
I own a really good example of the 997 and have just bought a 991 for about three times its value. I would not have done that if I wasn't sure that the 991 was worth it.
My opinion as an unsophistciated punter is that each 911 has been an improvement upon the former. When I traded my air cooled 911s for a 997 a number of people said, "ah but it's not a proper 911, I would far prefer an air-cooled car" yet I thought the 997 was in a different league as an enjoyable motor to drive and I would not have traded back for all the tea in China.
In the same way, I much prefer the 991 to the 997. It is a nicer place to be and a better car to drive, not to mention a good deal faster in the real world. Having driven the 997 and 991 back to back and back again I cannot say that the "feel" is of any importance at all.
I own a really good example of the 997 and have just bought a 991 for about three times its value. I would not have done that if I wasn't sure that the 991 was worth it.
You rarely choose the 911 because it is the fastest against the stopwatch. Enthusiasts choose the 911 because it constantly challenges you as a driver, and it managed to eek out the best (and worst) of you at the limit. The 911 is a bit like your best friend - never perfect, flawed, but somehow able to bring out the best (and sometimes worst) of you as you evolved as a driver with experience and age. Combined with the 911 heritage, unique packaging, perenially understated looks, and dedication to engineering brilliance, the 911 was a killer combination that has won the hearts and minds of driving enthusiasts for over 45 years to put their money where their automotive dreams were.
In the 991, however, Porsche have no longer created your best friend. The new 911 is one step closer to being the valedictorian/student of the year. It is less flawed compared to the 997. Yes, it is quicker against the stopwatch. Yes, it is more comfortable inside. Yes, it is more stable and offers a larger 'sweet spot' without calling on heroic Rohrl-like skills. The 911 has graduated to become a 'better' car on paper and against the stopwatch.
Best analogy I can think of is that upto the 997, the 911 was the original Terminator.
The 991 is Terminator2 and 3... less flawed and more 'perfect', but it simply has not yet won the hearts of those who chose a 911 for not being perfect, but for being perfectly flawed.
In the 991, however, Porsche have no longer created your best friend. The new 911 is one step closer to being the valedictorian/student of the year. It is less flawed compared to the 997. Yes, it is quicker against the stopwatch. Yes, it is more comfortable inside. Yes, it is more stable and offers a larger 'sweet spot' without calling on heroic Rohrl-like skills. The 911 has graduated to become a 'better' car on paper and against the stopwatch.
Best analogy I can think of is that upto the 997, the 911 was the original Terminator.
The 991 is Terminator2 and 3... less flawed and more 'perfect', but it simply has not yet won the hearts of those who chose a 911 for not being perfect, but for being perfectly flawed.
Manks said:
Well, I am not a journalist nor am I any kind of expert. But I have owned several 911s from 1980 onwards, driven a number more from the earliest cars to the latest, including the 997 from Gen 1 to GTS. I have driven three 991s of varying specifications on the road and on a track.
My opinion as an unsophistciated punter is that each 911 has been an improvement upon the former. When I traded my air cooled 911s for a 997 a number of people said, "ah but it's not a proper 911, I would far prefer an air-cooled car" yet I thought the 997 was in a different league as an enjoyable motor to drive and I would not have traded back for all the tea in China.
In the same way, I much prefer the 991 to the 997. It is a nicer place to be and a better car to drive, not to mention a good deal faster in the real world. Having driven the 997 and 991 back to back and back again I cannot say that the "feel" is of any importance at all.
I own a really good example of the 997 and have just bought a 991 for about three times its value. I would not have done that if I wasn't sure that the 991 was worth it.
Who cares what others think, Manks - you love the car and ultimately that's all that matters! I haven't driven one yet but I'm looking forward to trying one and to be honest the varying opinions of it only makes me want to try one more!My opinion as an unsophistciated punter is that each 911 has been an improvement upon the former. When I traded my air cooled 911s for a 997 a number of people said, "ah but it's not a proper 911, I would far prefer an air-cooled car" yet I thought the 997 was in a different league as an enjoyable motor to drive and I would not have traded back for all the tea in China.
In the same way, I much prefer the 991 to the 997. It is a nicer place to be and a better car to drive, not to mention a good deal faster in the real world. Having driven the 997 and 991 back to back and back again I cannot say that the "feel" is of any importance at all.
I own a really good example of the 997 and have just bought a 991 for about three times its value. I would not have done that if I wasn't sure that the 991 was worth it.
spareparts said:
You rarely choose the 911 because it is the fastest against the stopwatch. Enthusiasts choose the 911 because it constantly challenges you as a driver, and it managed to eek out the best (and worst) of you at the limit.
I will take your word for it that all pre-991 buyers choose the 911 for the same reason. I'm not an "enthusiast", I am not even that much of a petrolhead. I don't need challenging by a car, I just want the best all-round sports car available and in my opinion that's the 991 right now.Manks said:
spareparts said:
You rarely choose the 911 because it is the fastest against the stopwatch. Enthusiasts choose the 911 because it constantly challenges you as a driver, and it managed to eek out the best (and worst) of you at the limit.
I will take your word for it that all pre-991 buyers choose the 911 for the same reason. I'm not an "enthusiast", I am not even that much of a petrolhead. I don't need challenging by a car, I just want the best all-round sports car available and in my opinion that's the 991 right now.
But I'm simply sharing some insight into what I believe a number of the journos were lamenting in the quotes posted. Many others (like you) will simply buy the 991 because they believe it to be the 'best' all round sports car (which arguably it probably is). Just not necessarily the greatest 911.
Edited by spareparts on Sunday 26th February 22:25
RDMcG said:
Classic Car (John Simister)
"but part of a 911's appeal has always been its streak of demanding imperfection."
Sounds like the nail on the head."but part of a 911's appeal has always been its streak of demanding imperfection."
If I want perfect mid corner balance, incredible wheel control, flattering and comforting sense of composure and stability then i'd buy a Cayman or an Evora.
jackal said:
Sounds like the nail on the head.
If I want perfect mid corner balance, incredible wheel control, flattering and comforting sense of composure and stability then i'd buy a Cayman or an Evora.
Out of interest then, why would you not opt for a 930? More "911" than any other incarnation, more challenging in every regard than its successors or predecessors and the antithesis of the 991.If I want perfect mid corner balance, incredible wheel control, flattering and comforting sense of composure and stability then i'd buy a Cayman or an Evora.
Most car journos' opinions are largely irrelevant in my experience, all you've got to do is read the article to realise they know next to nothing about car dymamics or driving. They extremely rarely understand the difference between lat grip and traction for instance...
They're are exceptions of course like Harris.
They're are exceptions of course like Harris.
They made it drive better. No more understeer or snappy tail. Well it is not exactly what 911 has been but I think it is a better car. Of course the better choice would have been to put 3.8l engine to cayman and not try to inch 911 engine forwards every year without anyone noticing. I think porsche will release "a firmware update" to steering if customers feel like it won't communicate enough. Steering is electric, so in theory there is no limits what can be done.
Raitzi said:
I think porsche will release "a firmware update" to steering if customers feel like it won't communicate enough. Steering is electric, so in theory there is no limits what can be done.
They might, though personally I don't think they will.The chatter about the steering is, in my opinion, the result of journos needing SOMETHING to criticise, followed by people who need to have SOMETHING to have an opinion about (regardless of whether they have actually driven the car) and people who need SOMETHING to justify why their decision to buy a run-out 997 was the right one.
The fact of the matter is that the steering is better than on the 997. The car goes where you point it, lightning fast, with little under steer. The feedback from the wheels is less which in my opinion is neither here nor there and I suspect that when the noise has died down no one else will care either.
Manks said:
The chatter about the steering is, in my opinion, the result of journos needing SOMETHING to criticise,
Mmm, don't think so. The 911 has been a long time favourite of many automotive enthusiasts and respected journalists for as long as I remember. This includes going back to the early 911s, be they the 2.7, 3.2, 964/993/996/997. Porsche have been respected amongst those who know their onions amongst a variety of cars of what makes the 911 such an icon. In both the US and European markets, the 911 has won many many back-to-back comparative road tests/COTY competitions against other similar market sportscars. Their critique of the 991 is not without merit.I’ve owned 4 997s (Carrera 2, Carrera 2S, GT3 997.1 and now GT3 997.2) and a Boxster Spyder and I have driven the 991.
I prefer the 997, in any guise, but specifically now, my GT3.
My opinion is subjective and therefore only really valid for me – but I don’t think I am alone having spoken to others who were also thinking about moving up to the 991.
The 991 has lost ‘something’. When I drove it I didn’t ‘bond’ with it like I did with the 997s. I was expecting to feel the same way I did when I drove each of my earlier cars, that was that they felt immediately ‘right’ and special; exciting – the 991 never made me feel like that. I enjoyed driving it, but didn’t feel the urge to have one to replace a 997.
The steering is accurate and fast, but not involving; I want to be involved. When it started to understeer on track, the first I knew was when it pushed wide; in the 997, I would have ‘felt’ it beginning to do so – I’m no driving god (anyone who has ever seen me on track will attest to this), but I was driving using my eyes and ears more than my sense of touch or feel. I worry that right at the limit (only really relevant on track I grant you) that the car might not communicate as well. On the road and at road legal speeds, I would struggle to complain about it too much as it steers very well.
The interior is a step up in both ergonomics and in function, but it lacks character, it’s all Panamera, Cayenne-tatsic in the cockpit and to use a Pistonheads technical term a bit -meh.
It’s a great car, but not one I aspire to own and certainly not one I will sink £90 -£100K into.
I don’t want to start another argument (we’ve had it before on numerous occasions) but I also didn’t like the PDK particularly and felt it detracted from the experience as opposed to adding to it.
Something has been lost in translation; it looks like a 911, sounds like a 911, goes like a 911, but doesn’t quite have the character or feel of one – for me.
Those who have them clearly feel differently, and I’m sure you’ll enjoy the car – it is a great sports car, but my next Porsche might well be a step backwards (or sideways) as opposed to forwards into the brave new world.
I prefer the 997, in any guise, but specifically now, my GT3.
My opinion is subjective and therefore only really valid for me – but I don’t think I am alone having spoken to others who were also thinking about moving up to the 991.
The 991 has lost ‘something’. When I drove it I didn’t ‘bond’ with it like I did with the 997s. I was expecting to feel the same way I did when I drove each of my earlier cars, that was that they felt immediately ‘right’ and special; exciting – the 991 never made me feel like that. I enjoyed driving it, but didn’t feel the urge to have one to replace a 997.
The steering is accurate and fast, but not involving; I want to be involved. When it started to understeer on track, the first I knew was when it pushed wide; in the 997, I would have ‘felt’ it beginning to do so – I’m no driving god (anyone who has ever seen me on track will attest to this), but I was driving using my eyes and ears more than my sense of touch or feel. I worry that right at the limit (only really relevant on track I grant you) that the car might not communicate as well. On the road and at road legal speeds, I would struggle to complain about it too much as it steers very well.
The interior is a step up in both ergonomics and in function, but it lacks character, it’s all Panamera, Cayenne-tatsic in the cockpit and to use a Pistonheads technical term a bit -meh.
It’s a great car, but not one I aspire to own and certainly not one I will sink £90 -£100K into.
I don’t want to start another argument (we’ve had it before on numerous occasions) but I also didn’t like the PDK particularly and felt it detracted from the experience as opposed to adding to it.
Something has been lost in translation; it looks like a 911, sounds like a 911, goes like a 911, but doesn’t quite have the character or feel of one – for me.
Those who have them clearly feel differently, and I’m sure you’ll enjoy the car – it is a great sports car, but my next Porsche might well be a step backwards (or sideways) as opposed to forwards into the brave new world.
Manks said:
Well, I am not a journalist nor am I any kind of expert. But I have owned several 911s from 1980 onwards, driven a number more from the earliest cars to the latest, including the 997 from Gen 1 to GTS. I have driven three 991s of varying specifications on the road and on a track.
My opinion as an unsophistciated punter is that each 911 has been an improvement upon the former. When I traded my air cooled 911s for a 997 a number of people said, "ah but it's not a proper 911, I would far prefer an air-cooled car" yet I thought the 997 was in a different league as an enjoyable motor to drive and I would not have traded back for all the tea in China.
In the same way, I much prefer the 991 to the 997. It is a nicer place to be and a better car to drive, not to mention a good deal faster in the real world. Having driven the 997 and 991 back to back and back again I cannot say that the "feel" is of any importance at all.
I own a really good example of the 997 and have just bought a 991 for about three times its value. I would not have done that if I wasn't sure that the 991 was worth it.
Probably the best, most accurate summary anyone in the 'real' world could wish for.... this to me is worth a great deal more than what most so-called journos come up with... My opinion as an unsophistciated punter is that each 911 has been an improvement upon the former. When I traded my air cooled 911s for a 997 a number of people said, "ah but it's not a proper 911, I would far prefer an air-cooled car" yet I thought the 997 was in a different league as an enjoyable motor to drive and I would not have traded back for all the tea in China.
In the same way, I much prefer the 991 to the 997. It is a nicer place to be and a better car to drive, not to mention a good deal faster in the real world. Having driven the 997 and 991 back to back and back again I cannot say that the "feel" is of any importance at all.
I own a really good example of the 997 and have just bought a 991 for about three times its value. I would not have done that if I wasn't sure that the 991 was worth it.
thedeadprussian.
I’ve owned 4 997s (Carrera 2, Carrera 2S, GT3 997.1 and now GT3 997.2) and a Boxster Spyder and I have driven the 991.
I prefer the 997, in any guise, but specifically now, my GT3.
interesting line up,why the spyder? and how does it feel to the rest of the cars especially gt3
I’ve owned 4 997s (Carrera 2, Carrera 2S, GT3 997.1 and now GT3 997.2) and a Boxster Spyder and I have driven the 991.
I prefer the 997, in any guise, but specifically now, my GT3.
interesting line up,why the spyder? and how does it feel to the rest of the cars especially gt3
Manks said:
Out of interest then, why would you not opt for a 930? More "911" than any other incarnation, more challenging in every regard than its successors or predecessors and the antithesis of the 991.
I would. In fact I almost bought a gorgeous low miles gaurds one for 22k just before i bought my 993 ! Shame that, would have been quite a moneyspinner. Of course I only have so much space and so much money.Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff