Recreations, whats your view
Recreations, whats your view
Author
Discussion

flatsix3.6

Original Poster:

756 posts

211 months

Saturday 3rd March 2012
quotequote all
Me I think I could live with one.

www.early911.co.uk

some nice looking cars on this link.



mollytherocker

14,467 posts

239 months

Saturday 3rd March 2012
quotequote all
flatsix3.6 said:
Me I think I could live with one.

www.early911.co.uk

some nice looking cars on this link.
I really like them. Done well, they make a great usable toy.

MTR

bridey0

2,961 posts

215 months

Saturday 3rd March 2012
quotequote all
mollytherocker said:
I really like them. Done well, they make a great usable toy.

MTR
What did this cost the original owner to put this together??


http://www.early911.co.uk/html/ab-st-backdate.html

993kimbo

3,003 posts

215 months

Saturday 3rd March 2012
quotequote all
You'd be looking at around 65k? Paul Stevens has it for sale.

I've seen Nick Moss's work (early 911) and it's fantastic attention to detail.

I've been really close to buying a re-creation/replica but I hate all the people who come up to you in petrol stations with their snidey remarks. And you can't shoot them nowadays.

Some of the prices are mental compared to the cars they're trying to replicate, and no-one I've ever asked has told me how hard they'd be to sell at a later date. I think you've got to be rich, use it as a toy and keep it.

And not worry about the money. (that eliminates 95% of the posters on here).lol.


bridey0

2,961 posts

215 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
quotequote all
I love em and agree u gotta keep longer term if u buy one. Thing is for that kind of money do U buy a 964 RS thou and have something original?
I'm thinking that the RS is not gonna be something u wanna take touring come retirement whereas a rep has a refreshed engine and every day usability. Also given there were so few original ST's made is the mkt for replicas going to grow therefore making them very popular


Edited by bridey0 on Sunday 4th March 07:15

993kimbo

3,003 posts

215 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
quotequote all
The problem is, you buy an St or RS rep based on a 3.2 Carrera for £50,000 and it's still going to drive like a 3.2 Carrera.

cragswinter

21,429 posts

226 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
quotequote all
Best thing with nick at early 911 is he's a good bloke, very approachable & full of good ideas.

If you're interested, go down & see him & the work they're turning out-prepare to want to spend!

993kimbo

3,003 posts

215 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
quotequote all
No offense to 3.2 Carrera owners (Hi Craig), but those early cars like the 2.7 RS which are being replicated, drive a whole lot differently to a lot of the replicas, so in the end, you're only buying 'the look'. Which may be fine for some, but I was disappointed. I found big wheels, small steering wheel and un-assisted steering a bit of a struggle at low speeds and the car felt very heavy when I was expecting it to be buzzy, high-revving and light and nimble.

graemel

7,229 posts

247 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
quotequote all
I think in an ideal world if you are building a rep then it should be based on the early shell. The big problem is finding one that has not got the rust bug. Probably a California import or something along those lines. But when the build cost escalates, in most cases you then could have bought a 2.2 or 2.4S for around the same money. A 2.7 RS rep for me would need to be £35 to £40K to make any sense.

bridey0

2,961 posts

215 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
quotequote all
993kimbo said:
No offense to 3.2 Carrera owners (Hi Craig), but those early cars like the 2.7 RS which are being replicated, drive a whole lot differently to a lot of the replicas, so in the end, you're only buying 'the look'. Which may be fine for some, but I was disappointed. I found big wheels, small steering wheel and un-assisted steering a bit of a struggle at low speeds and the car felt very heavy when I was expecting it to be buzzy, high-revving and light and nimble.
which one did u drive??? whats better for 35k then that has refreshed engine, interior and period body work with those lovely wheels and engine noise?

bridey0

2,961 posts

215 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
quotequote all
bridey0 said:
which one did u drive??? whats better for 35k then that has refreshed engine, interior and period body work with those lovely wheels and engine noise?
Also if the build costs for the one made at early 911 were 65k isn't it at 41k now a great little buy?? Also I'm assuming the actual drive of these rep type cars will be vastly different to a standard 3.2 carrera with reworked suspension etc

993kimbo

3,003 posts

215 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
quotequote all
If it were me I'd buy this one, which I reckon would be a much better buy than a replica, depreciation and investment-wise and probably drive much nicer, if it's the early Porsche feel you want.

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3527012.htm

bridey0

2,961 posts

215 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
quotequote all
993kimbo said:
If it were me I'd buy this one, which I reckon would be a much better buy than a replica, depreciation and investment-wise and probably drive much nicer, if it's the early Porsche feel you want.

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3527012.htm
It's very pretty without doubt but will have no performance, handling capabilities and will feel very agricultural. It's not like you'd want to use that on a day like today either.
I run a 997 gt3 as well so that will be a bridge too far from what I'm used too

993kimbo

3,003 posts

215 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
quotequote all
Then buy the orange one. Just be prepared for the anoraks to sneer at you in petrol stations.

I'd use any Porsche in any weather. What's the point otherwise?

epoch911

349 posts

239 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
quotequote all
993kimbo said:
Then buy the orange one. Just be prepared for the anoraks to sneer at you in petrol stations.
Luckily, most of the anoraks don't know one end of a genuine car from the other.

Ant

bridey0

2,961 posts

215 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
quotequote all
993kimbo said:
Then buy the orange one. Just be prepared for the anoraks to sneer at you in petrol stations.

I'd use any Porsche in any weather. What's the point otherwise?
The anoraks i don't care about. They hardly drive their cars in fear of losing money so their ownership at times is pointless.
There are now a good few 64 RS for sale and 2 at gt classics at just over 60k that look perfect so as a private seller you're looking at 50-55 now and people are getting scared to put mileage on them.
My thinking is that u get an almost new car for less cash that u can always drive and actually will be comfortable to tour in.
Also ive been to pcgb classic days and there are plenty of reps there

Edited by bridey0 on Sunday 4th March 13:52


Edited by bridey0 on Sunday 4th March 13:54

MrCooke

796 posts

225 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
quotequote all
993kimbo said:
The problem is, you buy an St or RS rep based on a 3.2 Carrera for £50,000 and it's still going to drive like a 3.2 Carrera.
This is nonsense.

A rep will typically be 150kg lighter and will run 15" wheels. Those two things alone make them drive very differently to a standard 3.2. If you want something closer to the short stroke revviness of an early car just build it on a 3.0 litre SC.

Some reps will drive poorly, but they can easily be made to drive with the delicacy and lightness of an early car. After all, the physical differences between a 915 80s shell and a 915 early 70s shell are negligible.

Wide cars have heavier steering and a thumpier ride, but that's the wideness and is true of early cars as much as later.

If you're worried about what people think of what you drive then steer clear of 911s altogether. No matter what you get someone will disapprove.

smile

993kimbo

3,003 posts

215 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
quotequote all
MrCooke said:
This is nonsense.
It's not, and you didn't need to write that.

bridey0

2,961 posts

215 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
quotequote all
MrCooke said:
This is nonsense.

A rep will typically be 150kg lighter and will run 15" wheels. Those two things alone make them drive very differently to a standard 3.2. If you want something closer to the short stroke revviness of an early car just build it on a 3.0 litre SC.

Some reps will drive poorly, but they can easily be made to drive with the delicacy and lightness of an early car. After all, the physical differences between a 915 80s shell and a 915 early 70s shell are negligible.

Wide cars have heavier steering and a thumpier ride, but that's the wideness and is true of early cars as much as later.

If you're worried about what people think of what you drive then steer clear of 911s altogether. No matter what you get someone will disapprove.





smile
Good point made about the 3.0ltr engine. Is that the thinking behind this??

http://www.paul-stephens.com/Porsche-911-PS-Clubsp...

Suggests it'll beat a 964rs no question

rubystone

11,254 posts

289 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
quotequote all
993kimbo said:
MrCooke said:
This is nonsense.
It's not, and you didn't need to write that.
Strong words maybe, but I can't see anything to argue about. As he says, the shells really are identical - even the triangular pressing for the pre impact front anti roll bar is there in the later shell. My 964RS had the same delicate feeling as my E Series 2.4E too...aside, tht is, from the propensity to oversteer whenever it saw a puddle smile