997.2 - PASM and Sport Chrono for track days?
997.2 - PASM and Sport Chrono for track days?
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c2mike

Original Poster:

560 posts

179 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
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Are either or both strongly recommended for a 997.2 manual that will do occasional track days?

J-P

4,422 posts

236 months

Sunday 4th March 2012
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Sport chrono: no - not allowed to use it on most track days anyway.

PASM: yes - I find it useful on track

scarebus

858 posts

201 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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J-P said:
Sport chrono: no - not allowed to use it on most track days anyway.

PASM: yes - I find it useful on track
Sport Chrono is ok if you dont have a PSE. It allows you to have a bit more slip before the electronic health and safety brigade cuts in.

Ekona

1,684 posts

232 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Depends on what we're talking about here, really.

The timing function of Sport Chrono (as stated above) isn't something you should ever use on a UK trackday, due to invalidating the TDO's insurance. The other aspect of it, which is the sensitivity of the throttle pedal, is something you'll either love or hate. I prefer the more sensitive nature of the go pedal on my 997.2, but I know others who detest it.

PASM on the hard setting was made for the track, so maybe not a must have but certainly would make things a whole lot better if you're not going to go down the aftermarket approach.


@Scarebus: Why not a fan of PSE with Sport Chrono? On the 997.2 you can have one on without the other if you want anyway.

Trev450

6,771 posts

202 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Both get my vote for track use.

J-P

4,422 posts

236 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Ekona said:
Depends on what we're talking about here, really.

The timing function of Sport Chrono (as stated above) isn't something you should ever use on a UK trackday, due to invalidating the TDO's insurance. The other aspect of it, which is the sensitivity of the throttle pedal, is something you'll either love or hate. I prefer the more sensitive nature of the go pedal on my 997.2, but I know others who detest it.

PASM on the hard setting was made for the track, so maybe not a must have but certainly would make things a whole lot better if you're not going to go down the aftermarket approach.


@Scarebus: Why not a fan of PSE with Sport Chrono? On the 997.2 you can have one on without the other if you want anyway.
Actually - Good point, Ekona, I should have asked for clarification. Sport button does increase throttle sensitivity which is useful for H&T, so if you mean that aspect, it is useful - and yes also allows greater slip as highlighted above (which is fun).

So probably worth it on balance - @Scarebus, PSE is definitely switchable, so you don't need to have it on when you press sports button.

scarebus

858 posts

201 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Ekona said:
@Scarebus: Why not a fan of PSE with Sport Chrono? On the 997.2 you can have one on without the other if you want anyway.
Nothing against it, wish I had one. I did not realise that Gen 2's had a separate button for the PSE.

Trev450

6,771 posts

202 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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scarebus said:
Nothing against it, wish I had one. I did not realise that Gen 2's had a separate button for the PSE.
I didn't either, as this is most definately not the case in my Gen 1 Cayman S.

Ekona

1,684 posts

232 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Neither was I and neither were my local OPC until I had Sports button and PSE retrofitted to my car. Glad they are separate, as there are times that I want loud exhaust (i.e. all the time) but not the sport mode on (i.e. first thing in the morning when I'm still a bit dozy).

Steve Rance

5,453 posts

261 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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It depends on the driving skills that you have. If you are a skilled driver and able to trail brake correctly, PASM will work against you and you will exprerence a lot of understeer in which case i'd certainly go for passive.

Ekona

1,684 posts

232 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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How will the PASM work against you if trail brake? Genuine question, I can't see why it would make that much difference. The PSM might, but surely not the PASM?

Steve Rance

5,453 posts

261 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Because its an active system and increases the damping rate as it feels the nose compress under trail braking. This makes it very difficult to keep the nose loaded all the way to the apex as you need a disproportional amount of braking to work against the active PASM which often leads to oversteer accidents as the rear of the car becaomes unstable.

A Passive set up is far better for track use

Ekona

1,684 posts

232 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Interesting point, had never thought of it like that. Anyone got any track experience of this in action? Does it make a huge difference, or just enough to be irritating? Only time I've ever tracked mine (so far) it was absolutely pouring with rain, so I didn't really get a chance to explore that side of things.


Does the GT3/RS have PASM too, and does it work in the same way?

Nano2nd

3,426 posts

286 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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J-P said:
Sport chrono: no - not allowed to use it on most track days anyway.
probably okay in a Carrera, i hear Gen 2 is quieter than gen 1 anyway

Nano2nd

3,426 posts

286 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Ekona said:
isn't something you should ever use on a UK trackday
you can time at Rockingham, if your into that sort of thing

Steve Rance

5,453 posts

261 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Ekona said:
Interesting point, had never thought of it like that. Anyone got any track experience of this in action? Does it make a huge difference, or just enough to be irritating? Only time I've ever tracked mine (so far) it was absolutely pouring with rain, so I didn't really get a chance to explore that side of things.


Does the GT3/RS have PASM too, and does it work in the same way?
The quicker you get, the more of an issue it is. In general terms it makes the car vaigue, inconsistent and edgy. Its a very good road damping system but on the track it is compromised. Its basically the same system thats fitted to all 997 GT3's and unfortunately has the same effect on the circuit.

As I say, its probably more of an issue to the quicker drivers out there.

Ekona

1,684 posts

232 months

Monday 5th March 2012
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Sounds reasonable, thanks for the info. smile