997 - mileage question
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I am looking at buying a used 997 c2s and wanted to hear thoughts on high mileage:
What would you consider high mileage, how much above 10k per yr?
What price difference per 10k is fair for a similar specced car?
If a car has full Porsche/Specialist history and come through a PPI how much of a concern should high mileage be?
Tiptronic more of a worry the higher the mileage gets?
Basically I'm considering a 70-85k mile car with full history for weekend use only, likely to do 5k miles a year. My thinking is that provdiding the car is in good shape, if I own it for 2yrs it will be all but back to average mileage.
Thanks in advance
What would you consider high mileage, how much above 10k per yr?
What price difference per 10k is fair for a similar specced car?
If a car has full Porsche/Specialist history and come through a PPI how much of a concern should high mileage be?
Tiptronic more of a worry the higher the mileage gets?
Basically I'm considering a 70-85k mile car with full history for weekend use only, likely to do 5k miles a year. My thinking is that provdiding the car is in good shape, if I own it for 2yrs it will be all but back to average mileage.
Thanks in advance
Morning.
The low mileage 997 is a relatively rare thing. A lot were bought and used every day as a lot of people seemed to think that you could treat them like a high performance Golf, rather than as either a second or even third car.
(like a Golf, but not a Golf? Anyone? okay then)
As a result, there are a lot of cars with higher miles than you would normally expect, but still not great enough to worry yourself about too much. From 50 to 60k is where a lot of 997s tend to sit, with 30k or lower being the exception, but that doesn't often make them greatly more expensive. Prices haven't fallen so much because of the 991, but due to the volume of production being quite high from the outset.
I'd say that prices from a reputed specialist have fallen by about 2.5 to 3k over the last year. I know when I was buying mine last year, Paragon were pegging 997s with circa 52k miles for between 32 to 35k depending on spec, and similar cars are now down to around 30k.
This isn't to say that prices are going to keep falling by the same rate, but given the sky-high cost of the 991 its possible that 997s will stay in the mid to high 20s for at least a couple of years as some people may look to keep theirs that bit longer while saving for the next step on the ladder.
These cars do still wear their miles well if looked after correctly, however, so if you think you can keep to 5k miles a year then you shouldn't need worry to much.
As ever, buy on condition, history, spec and mileage in that order. Remember that a high mileage car has had money spent on it to get it where it is and trust receipts as well as the service book. 2 year service intervals means that 'FSH' isn't the be all and end all it once was.
The low mileage 997 is a relatively rare thing. A lot were bought and used every day as a lot of people seemed to think that you could treat them like a high performance Golf, rather than as either a second or even third car.
(like a Golf, but not a Golf? Anyone? okay then)
As a result, there are a lot of cars with higher miles than you would normally expect, but still not great enough to worry yourself about too much. From 50 to 60k is where a lot of 997s tend to sit, with 30k or lower being the exception, but that doesn't often make them greatly more expensive. Prices haven't fallen so much because of the 991, but due to the volume of production being quite high from the outset.
I'd say that prices from a reputed specialist have fallen by about 2.5 to 3k over the last year. I know when I was buying mine last year, Paragon were pegging 997s with circa 52k miles for between 32 to 35k depending on spec, and similar cars are now down to around 30k.
This isn't to say that prices are going to keep falling by the same rate, but given the sky-high cost of the 991 its possible that 997s will stay in the mid to high 20s for at least a couple of years as some people may look to keep theirs that bit longer while saving for the next step on the ladder.
These cars do still wear their miles well if looked after correctly, however, so if you think you can keep to 5k miles a year then you shouldn't need worry to much.
As ever, buy on condition, history, spec and mileage in that order. Remember that a high mileage car has had money spent on it to get it where it is and trust receipts as well as the service book. 2 year service intervals means that 'FSH' isn't the be all and end all it once was.
RDG496 said:
I am looking at buying a used 997 c2s and wanted to hear thoughts on high mileage:
What would you consider high mileage, how much above 10k per yr?
What price difference per 10k is fair for a similar specced car?
If a car has full Porsche/Specialist history and come through a PPI how much of a concern should high mileage be?
Tiptronic more of a worry the higher the mileage gets?
Basically I'm considering a 70-85k mile car with full history for weekend use only, likely to do 5k miles a year. My thinking is that provdiding the car is in good shape, if I own it for 2yrs it will be all but back to average mileage.
Thanks in advance
How long is a chinamans dick? Sorry, thats a phrase my mother uses. What would you consider high mileage, how much above 10k per yr?
What price difference per 10k is fair for a similar specced car?
If a car has full Porsche/Specialist history and come through a PPI how much of a concern should high mileage be?
Tiptronic more of a worry the higher the mileage gets?
Basically I'm considering a 70-85k mile car with full history for weekend use only, likely to do 5k miles a year. My thinking is that provdiding the car is in good shape, if I own it for 2yrs it will be all but back to average mileage.
Thanks in advance
What is high mileage? I really dont think that can be answered reasonably. My 17 year old 993 is about to click over 100k miles and many people will say thats high mileage!
Mileage as a guide for condition is virtually useless. The way the car has been driven, treated, maintained, and the type of driving has a much larger impact.
Unfortunately, the fact is, mileage is a massive driver of price, rightly or wrongly.
The good news for you, is that you can seek out a good 80k car for a great price. As long as you buy carefully and make all of the relevant checks, then why not.
Is this wiser than paying 5k more for a car with 50k? Or 10k more for a car with 30k and an OPC warranty?
Its your choice!
MTR
Tiptronic is a safe bet for a number of reasons:
Robust gearbox (maybe get an oil change done before the specified 96,000 miles for extra peace of mind)
Can't be mechanically over-revved/buzzed
No consumable clutch
You could also consider that there's a greater likelihood of a manual owner wanting to drive the car hard.
Robust gearbox (maybe get an oil change done before the specified 96,000 miles for extra peace of mind)
Can't be mechanically over-revved/buzzed
No consumable clutch
You could also consider that there's a greater likelihood of a manual owner wanting to drive the car hard.
RDG496 said:
I am looking at buying a used 997 c2s and wanted to hear thoughts on high mileage:
What would you consider high mileage, how much above 10k per yr?
What price difference per 10k is fair for a similar specced car?
If a car has full Porsche/Specialist history and come through a PPI how much of a concern should high mileage be?
Tiptronic more of a worry the higher the mileage gets?
Basically I'm considering a 70-85k mile car with full history for weekend use only, likely to do 5k miles a year. My thinking is that provdiding the car is in good shape, if I own it for 2yrs it will be all but back to average mileage.
Thanks in advance
Sounds like a plan! Agree with the others on here in that once the mileage goes much above 10-12K per annum, the values drop, but not as badly as you might think. Spec and condition are king IMHO!What would you consider high mileage, how much above 10k per yr?
What price difference per 10k is fair for a similar specced car?
If a car has full Porsche/Specialist history and come through a PPI how much of a concern should high mileage be?
Tiptronic more of a worry the higher the mileage gets?
Basically I'm considering a 70-85k mile car with full history for weekend use only, likely to do 5k miles a year. My thinking is that provdiding the car is in good shape, if I own it for 2yrs it will be all but back to average mileage.
Thanks in advance
However, I still feel that people will still pay a premium for cars that have done less than 7-8K per annum (just look at the extra wedge required for a 4 year old car with only 20K on the clock).
Well I've bitten the bullet, subject to successful PPI.
Only things it doesn't have is electric seats....heated/sports seats but not electric and park assist.
Has Chrono Sports pack/sports exhaust,Bose,full leather,Xenon h/lamps, full media pack and Satnav.
FPSH and is being serviced by the seller.
I havent seen the car, just relying on the PPI to point any major issues......minor stone chips, minor wheel scrapes and interior scuffing I can handle.......I'm not overly fussy so happy to take that risk......finger crossed!
Fingers crossed I'll be a happy chappy
Only things it doesn't have is electric seats....heated/sports seats but not electric and park assist.
Has Chrono Sports pack/sports exhaust,Bose,full leather,Xenon h/lamps, full media pack and Satnav.
FPSH and is being serviced by the seller.
I havent seen the car, just relying on the PPI to point any major issues......minor stone chips, minor wheel scrapes and interior scuffing I can handle.......I'm not overly fussy so happy to take that risk......finger crossed!
Fingers crossed I'll be a happy chappy
RDG496 said:
Well I've bitten the bullet, subject to successful PPI.
Only things it doesn't have is electric seats....heated/sports seats but not electric and park assist.
Has Chrono Sports pack/sports exhaust,Bose,full leather,Xenon h/lamps, full media pack and Satnav.
FPSH and is being serviced by the seller.
I havent seen the car, just relying on the PPI to point any major issues......minor stone chips, minor wheel scrapes and interior scuffing I can handle.......I'm not overly fussy so happy to take that risk......finger crossed!
Fingers crossed I'll be a happy chappy
Congrats! Sounds like a nice spec and unless anyone else is going to drive it - electric seats (and the accompanying memory) aren't at all important as you never adjust them once you've found your "position". Think of the weight savings! Only things it doesn't have is electric seats....heated/sports seats but not electric and park assist.
Has Chrono Sports pack/sports exhaust,Bose,full leather,Xenon h/lamps, full media pack and Satnav.
FPSH and is being serviced by the seller.
I havent seen the car, just relying on the PPI to point any major issues......minor stone chips, minor wheel scrapes and interior scuffing I can handle.......I'm not overly fussy so happy to take that risk......finger crossed!
Fingers crossed I'll be a happy chappy
Its a fair cop.RDG496 said:
Many useful comments, much appreciated.
As you rightly point out it's how it's been driven and how well it's been looked after which is paramount.
I guess I have my answer.
Pick one, get the PPI done and if OK happy days.
FFS everyone knows that ALL 911's (without exception) are driven by old men, who dont track, keep below 4000 rpm, warm their cars up slowly, never need to renew tyres, keep their cars in heated climate-controlled garages and have a full daily-detail . . . . at least thats standard advert-jargon when its time to sell FFSAs you rightly point out it's how it's been driven and how well it's been looked after which is paramount.
I guess I have my answer.
Pick one, get the PPI done and if OK happy days.
Roughly and honestly translated "you will NEVER know how its been driven"
LOL
MadMark911 said:
Sounds like a plan! Agree with the others on here in that once the mileage goes much above 10-12K per annum, the values drop, but not as badly as you might think. Spec and condition are king IMHO!
However, I still feel that people will still pay a premium for cars that have done less than 7-8K per annum (just look at the extra wedge required for a 4 year old car with only 20K on the clock).
Mine is a Jan 2010 and just hit the 5000 mark. Many would argue that this one is just too few miles, needs more running!!!!!!!!!!!!!!However, I still feel that people will still pay a premium for cars that have done less than 7-8K per annum (just look at the extra wedge required for a 4 year old car with only 20K on the clock).
gaters said:
MadMark911 said:
Sounds like a plan! Agree with the others on here in that once the mileage goes much above 10-12K per annum, the values drop, but not as badly as you might think. Spec and condition are king IMHO!
However, I still feel that people will still pay a premium for cars that have done less than 7-8K per annum (just look at the extra wedge required for a 4 year old car with only 20K on the clock).
Mine is a Jan 2010 and just hit the 5000 mark. Many would argue that this one is just too few miles, needs more running!!!!!!!!!!!!!!However, I still feel that people will still pay a premium for cars that have done less than 7-8K per annum (just look at the extra wedge required for a 4 year old car with only 20K on the clock).
khushy said:
FFS everyone knows that ALL 911's (without exception) are driven by old men, who dont track, keep below 4000 rpm, warm their cars up slowly, never need to renew tyres, keep their cars in heated climate-controlled garages and have a full daily-detail . . . . at least thats standard advert-jargon when its time to sell FFS
Roughly and honestly translated "you will NEVER know how its been driven"
LOL
Old man......not yet but I'm getting thereRoughly and honestly translated "you will NEVER know how its been driven"
LOL
Don't track.......will probably be guilty of that one
Below 4000 RPM....absolutely not, although I'd like my licence to stay clean.......HOPEFULLY ;-)
Warm garage.......nope on the drive, and it will be driven more than cleaned I can assure you of that.
khushy said:
FFS everyone knows that ALL 911's (without exception) are driven by old men, who dont track, keep below 4000 rpm, warm their cars up slowly, never need to renew tyres, keep their cars in heated climate-controlled garages and have a full daily-detail . . . . at least thats standard advert-jargon when its time to sell FFS
Roughly and honestly translated "you will NEVER know how its been driven"
LOL
I thought you could plug them into the magic machine and have a lookRoughly and honestly translated "you will NEVER know how its been driven"
LOL
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