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Hi guys,
I've been offered a brand new & original 993 Cup Car shell (once new from Porsche Motorsport)plus nearly all the parts (some used & refurbished, some new) to complete the car less engine. By sheer luck, I have also traced a brand new 3.8 engine plus ECU. I am now very tempted, but it is quite a bit of money they are asking. So I have been wondering what you think it is worth?
I've been doing some research and my indication is, that cars (good condition, little running hours) are offered between 100 and 130 k EUROS. But I am unsure how big a hit the price would take given it is built up from a spare shell and has no racing history as such...
Idea would be to stare at it admiringly for a year or so whilst doing the occasional track day and then sell it on (if I can bring myself to it, come the time).
Your help is very much appreciated!
I've been offered a brand new & original 993 Cup Car shell (once new from Porsche Motorsport)plus nearly all the parts (some used & refurbished, some new) to complete the car less engine. By sheer luck, I have also traced a brand new 3.8 engine plus ECU. I am now very tempted, but it is quite a bit of money they are asking. So I have been wondering what you think it is worth?
I've been doing some research and my indication is, that cars (good condition, little running hours) are offered between 100 and 130 k EUROS. But I am unsure how big a hit the price would take given it is built up from a spare shell and has no racing history as such...
Idea would be to stare at it admiringly for a year or so whilst doing the occasional track day and then sell it on (if I can bring myself to it, come the time).
Your help is very much appreciated!
I viewed one in 2009 that had been road registered upon import by either Sean Lockyear or Gmund (I forget which). It was for sale at Driven Image in Yorkshire and looked to be a decent straight car (would clearly need a properly qualfied inspection though) with German racing logbook etc. They had only just got it and were asking around £65k, but from the paperwork it was obvious that Lockyear/Gmund had had it for sale for a good while (perhaps 12-18 months) at a similar price before it sold. A newly built car will perhaps be more broadly appealing as a nice thing for a collector (as a garage queen), whereas a good, but used 15+year old race car will never look as nice (and IMO isn't old enough that an aged "patina" adds to its appeal).
In the UK I'd suggest discussing it with Specialist Cars of Malton and GT Classics to see what they think.
Hopefully Steve Rance will be along to discuss/compare it with his recently built 993 RSR race car.
Of course, if you want an experienced air-cooled 911 racing driver to share an event or two when it's ready (to build up some provenance) then please get in touch.
Even though it may increase the car's value for you I'd still drive it for free. 
In the UK I'd suggest discussing it with Specialist Cars of Malton and GT Classics to see what they think.
Hopefully Steve Rance will be along to discuss/compare it with his recently built 993 RSR race car.
Of course, if you want an experienced air-cooled 911 racing driver to share an event or two when it's ready (to build up some provenance) then please get in touch.
Even though it may increase the car's value for you I'd still drive it for free. does it have a chassis number or just a build number
3.8 engine is not necessarily a cup engine,what type number is the engine
what people are asking and achieving is not always the same,cup cars can be miles apart! value will also be in the history,many were badly crashed and reshelled etc
3.8 engine is not necessarily a cup engine,what type number is the engine
what people are asking and achieving is not always the same,cup cars can be miles apart! value will also be in the history,many were badly crashed and reshelled etc
Hi gents,
many thanks for your helpful replies!
I tend to agree that a well looked after car with some patina and racing history might be worth more.
Bergmeister: Not to sure if it has a chassis number, but will find out when viewing the car this week. As far as I know, it only has a Build number from Matter (the company that built the cages/safety cells). The chassis does come with a Porsche receipt allegedly proving that is a Cup replacement shell. After viewing the pictures, I am not 100% convinced though, as it seem to have different door bars (american style, triple bars running paralell instead) than the cup cars I know. It is also missing the hole for the battery cut off.
The engine is a genuine cup item, that has already been qualified. Needless to say, the car would never be matching numbers (if there is such a thing with cup cars, which I don't know).
Will keep you informed. Many thanks!
many thanks for your helpful replies!
I tend to agree that a well looked after car with some patina and racing history might be worth more.
Bergmeister: Not to sure if it has a chassis number, but will find out when viewing the car this week. As far as I know, it only has a Build number from Matter (the company that built the cages/safety cells). The chassis does come with a Porsche receipt allegedly proving that is a Cup replacement shell. After viewing the pictures, I am not 100% convinced though, as it seem to have different door bars (american style, triple bars running paralell instead) than the cup cars I know. It is also missing the hole for the battery cut off.
The engine is a genuine cup item, that has already been qualified. Needless to say, the car would never be matching numbers (if there is such a thing with cup cars, which I don't know).
Will keep you informed. Many thanks!
noneedtolift said:
Hi gents,
many thanks for your helpful replies!
I tend to agree that a well looked after car with some patina and racing history might be worth more.
Bergmeister: Not to sure if it has a chassis number, but will find out when viewing the car this week. As far as I know, it only has a Build number from Matter (the company that built the cages/safety cells). The chassis does come with a Porsche receipt allegedly proving that is a Cup replacement shell. After viewing the pictures, I am not 100% convinced though, as it seem to have different door bars (american style, triple bars running paralell instead) than the cup cars I know. It is also missing the hole for the battery cut off.
The shell should have a factory build number in the rear shelf,you can then check that it is a cup shell.Matter number is only for the cage etc,fairly sure any daytona door bars would have been added afterwards.Its fairly easy to see if its a correct shell or not,happy to answer any questions you may have on it.
The engine is a genuine cup item, that has already been qualified. Needless to say, the car would never be matching numbers (if there is such a thing with cup cars, which I don't know).
There are still a few cars around with matching numbers,it depends what you are looking for ,a nice track car to play with or something that may appreciate in years to come.I am sure you can build something good out of what you may have.
Will keep you informed. Many thanks!
many thanks for your helpful replies!
I tend to agree that a well looked after car with some patina and racing history might be worth more.
Bergmeister: Not to sure if it has a chassis number, but will find out when viewing the car this week. As far as I know, it only has a Build number from Matter (the company that built the cages/safety cells). The chassis does come with a Porsche receipt allegedly proving that is a Cup replacement shell. After viewing the pictures, I am not 100% convinced though, as it seem to have different door bars (american style, triple bars running paralell instead) than the cup cars I know. It is also missing the hole for the battery cut off.
The shell should have a factory build number in the rear shelf,you can then check that it is a cup shell.Matter number is only for the cage etc,fairly sure any daytona door bars would have been added afterwards.Its fairly easy to see if its a correct shell or not,happy to answer any questions you may have on it.
The engine is a genuine cup item, that has already been qualified. Needless to say, the car would never be matching numbers (if there is such a thing with cup cars, which I don't know).
There are still a few cars around with matching numbers,it depends what you are looking for ,a nice track car to play with or something that may appreciate in years to come.I am sure you can build something good out of what you may have.
Will keep you informed. Many thanks!
bergmeister said:
Many thanks mate - will certainly take you up on your offer!In fact I have a first one straight away: From what you are saying, am I correct in assuming that there was no Porsche OEM Cup ar shell with a "daytona" type cage (i.e. Porsche Cup North America or else)? In my book if this is the cas its a pointer to something not quite right. Will note down the shelf VIN and check that out. Many thanks again for your help!
I would be surprised if it was done at the factory,but porsche will do most things for customers if they pay for it!
I know of a couple of 964rsr that have these mods,but done in the usa for usa regs.Dont let it put you off as long as its a cup shell,it can always
be removed.
I have loads of detailed photos of the shells,and my 993rsr cup for reference if you are unsure on anything.
I know of a couple of 964rsr that have these mods,but done in the usa for usa regs.Dont let it put you off as long as its a cup shell,it can always
be removed.
I have loads of detailed photos of the shells,and my 993rsr cup for reference if you are unsure on anything.
I've just finished building a race car to cup spec. Its a big job even with the right chasis and bits and will probably cost a lot more than you budget for. Without providence you may on on a hiding to nothing. Knowing the cost, there is no way i'd have built my car if it didnt already have a racing providence. A better plan may be to pick up a decent 993 cup with some provenance and run that instead. Soon they will become legible for historic racing and the prices will get silly. Now is a very good time to get into one.
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Indeed, only race cars with provenance are ever worth anything. All this car would ever be is a replica and will be valued as such. [/quote
How is it a replica if its a cup shell and cup engine etc!I know of a 993rsr cup like new, that never raced,less than 1000km sold for 300,000 euros,double the price when new.
Indeed, only race cars with provenance are ever worth anything. All this car would ever be is a replica and will be valued as such. [/quote
How is it a replica if its a cup shell and cup engine etc!I know of a 993rsr cup like new, that never raced,less than 1000km sold for 300,000 euros,double the price when new.
bergmeister said:
I would be surprised if it was done at the factory,but porsche will do most things for customers if they pay for it!
I know of a couple of 964rsr that have these mods,but done in the usa for usa regs.Dont let it put you off as long as its a cup shell,it can always
be removed.
I have loads of detailed photos of the shells,and my 993rsr cup for reference if you are unsure on anything.
It is definately possible that factory did add those bars.If it was destined for US--or built to that US required spec by Matter.Porsche had/have people in the US that they really look after !!I know of a couple of 964rsr that have these mods,but done in the usa for usa regs.Dont let it put you off as long as its a cup shell,it can always
be removed.
I have loads of detailed photos of the shells,and my 993rsr cup for reference if you are unsure on anything.
To the OP-- if you do no go ahead with project--I am interested in the parts--or a lead on where to acquire!!No intention to mow your grass!!
bergmeister said:
How is it a replica if its a cup shell and cup engine etc!I know of a 993rsr cup like new, that never raced,less than 1000km sold for 300,000 euros,double the price when new.
I guess that must have been a factory built car with a number that forms part of the production run?Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff