Early 911 touring
Discussion
I've been to Zuffenhausen with a group of cars including my mate in his '79 Targa - he didn't experience any issues with driving abroad. Obviously the car needs to be in good shape but they're fast enough, comfortable enough and the visibility out is probably better than in some modern ones. Just plug a Satnav into the lighter socket and go!
Boring I know, but the other day a friend with a 3.2 Carrera (80's car) remarked that he wasn't strictly allowed to drive into Stuttgart due to emissions laws. It's unlikely you'd actually get pulled up on it, but I'd guess it'd be worth researching the consequences.
Other than that, I see no reason why you shouldn't enjoy a road-trip in an earlier 911. I would!
Other than that, I see no reason why you shouldn't enjoy a road-trip in an earlier 911. I would!
FarQue said:
Boring I know, but the other day a friend with a 3.2 Carrera (80's car) remarked that he wasn't strictly allowed to drive into Stuttgart due to emissions laws. It's unlikely you'd actually get pulled up on it, but I'd guess it'd be worth researching the consequences.
Other than that, I see no reason why you shouldn't enjoy a road-trip in an earlier 911. I would!
Really? I haven't heard of emissions rules being retrospectively applied to older cars. Scary thought. Other than that, I see no reason why you shouldn't enjoy a road-trip in an earlier 911. I would!
sneaky schnell said:
FarQue said:
Boring I know, but the other day a friend with a 3.2 Carrera (80's car) remarked that he wasn't strictly allowed to drive into Stuttgart due to emissions laws. It's unlikely you'd actually get pulled up on it, but I'd guess it'd be worth researching the consequences.
Other than that, I see no reason why you shouldn't enjoy a road-trip in an earlier 911. I would!
Really? I haven't heard of emissions rules being retrospectively applied to older cars. Scary thought. Other than that, I see no reason why you shouldn't enjoy a road-trip in an earlier 911. I would!
German cities have restricted zones that can only be entered if you have bought a sticker for your windscreen. I can't remember how it all works but here is the weblink...
http://www.tuev-sued.de/auto_fahrzeuge/feinstaub-p...
http://www.tuev-sued.de/auto_fahrzeuge/feinstaub-p...
FarQue said:
Dunno for sure, but it's what my friend said. We were talking about a forthcoming 'Ring trip and the possibility of dropping in on the Porsche museum whilst in Germany. As always, ignorance is no defence in law... O/T, but did I read somewhere that you now need to carry (in the car) a DIY alcohol breath tester in France?
The alcohol breath test kits arent mandatory as of yet but green jackets and the GB stickers are along with a glow triangle bridey0 said:
Purely out of curiosity how easy would it be to tour Europe in a 70's 911 given the major differences in road and traffic these days as opposed to when these cars were first made?
Ok its a 993, but its still old school with an air cooled engine.Ferry to Santandar, nearly 2K miles from North to Southern Spain and back and the only probs was the damned alarm occasionally kicked off when I locked her up at night.
Temps ranged from 17 to 38 degrees (38 is over 100f and she still didn't overheat).
All I'll say is that an aircooled (to me at least) seems a bit more powerful the cooler the temp.
Took her to Stuttgart via Reims and back a couple of months ago and she drove perfectly. Never heard of the restricted zones business and did not come across any probs driving through cities.
Edited by Wozy68 on Friday 15th June 15:02
GC8 said:
Umwelt Zones certainly exist, but any pre-cat cars dont qualify for a sticker anyway, so theyre verboten...
Check this. I recall that foreign registered cars are exempt.I have a '73 911T. Its fast enough (130mph) to happily keep up with modern traffic, and so long as you accept that there's no a/c it'll do everything a modern will. If its a properly sorted and regularly used car I see absolutely no reason why you can't use it for continental touring.
But there is a 'but'.
I've had some wonderful journeys in mine. They usually involve an early start, and a long cross country route on quiet A and B roads. I've also had some nightmares; those are usually motorway transits when its hot. The wind noise from an early 911 is huge, especially around the A pillars. If you have sunroof, windows and rear quarter lights open as well, an 80mph/130kph cruise is deafening, and eventually very wearing. If I have to do that I take my modern or my 964, which is much more refined at speed (below 130mph or so).
Plan the right sort of route and you'll have a brilliant trip.
SS7
shoestring7 said:
Check this. I recall that foreign registered cars are exempt.
I have a '73 911T. Its fast enough (130mph) to happily keep up with modern traffic, and so long as you accept that there's no a/c it'll do everything a modern will. If its a properly sorted and regularly used car I see absolutely no reason why you can't use it for continental touring.
But there is a 'but'.
I've had some wonderful journeys in mine. They usually involve an early start, and a long cross country route on quiet A and B roads. I've also had some nightmares; those are usually motorway transits when its hot. The wind noise from an early 911 is huge, especially around the A pillars. If you have sunroof, windows and rear quarter lights open as well, an 80mph/130kph cruise is deafening, and eventually very wearing. If I have to do that I take my modern or my 964, which is much more refined at speed (below 130mph or so).
Plan the right sort of route and you'll have a brilliant trip.
SS7
Cracking info tksI have a '73 911T. Its fast enough (130mph) to happily keep up with modern traffic, and so long as you accept that there's no a/c it'll do everything a modern will. If its a properly sorted and regularly used car I see absolutely no reason why you can't use it for continental touring.
But there is a 'but'.
I've had some wonderful journeys in mine. They usually involve an early start, and a long cross country route on quiet A and B roads. I've also had some nightmares; those are usually motorway transits when its hot. The wind noise from an early 911 is huge, especially around the A pillars. If you have sunroof, windows and rear quarter lights open as well, an 80mph/130kph cruise is deafening, and eventually very wearing. If I have to do that I take my modern or my 964, which is much more refined at speed (below 130mph or so).
Plan the right sort of route and you'll have a brilliant trip.
SS7
shoestring7 said:
Check this. I recall that foreign registered cars are exempt.
They aren't exempt. If you look at the weblink I posted, you will see that the first paragraph says:-"Motorists with cars registered abroad who wish to operate their vehicles everywhere in Germany, also in city centres where environmental zones have been established, will need low-emission cars and emissions stickers in the future."
DaihatsuNinja said:
They aren't exempt. If you look at the weblink I posted, you will see that the first paragraph says:-
"Motorists with cars registered abroad who wish to operate their vehicles everywhere in Germany, also in city centres where environmental zones have been established, will need low-emission cars and emissions stickers in the future."
Isn't the "in the future" bit the key? I.e. it's OK now?"Motorists with cars registered abroad who wish to operate their vehicles everywhere in Germany, also in city centres where environmental zones have been established, will need low-emission cars and emissions stickers in the future."
Unrestricted access for historic vehicles.....over 30 years old...
http://www.adac.de/_mmm/pdf/27048_25569.pdf
thegoose said:
Isn't the "in the future" bit the key? I.e. it's OK now?
It was definitely in force when I went last year. I think their phrasing in that quote has suffered from a touch of googletranslate.We're probably blowing this out of proportion, I bet you could tour round Germany for ages before you encountered a restricted area.
Here's a link to a map with all the zones on:-
http://www.environmental-badge.co.uk/fileadmin/LP-...
The same organisation states that the scheme started being rolled out on March 1, 2007.
http://www.environmental-badge.co.uk/fileadmin/LP-...
The same organisation states that the scheme started being rolled out on March 1, 2007.
Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff