Reality check on servicing costs
Reality check on servicing costs
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lotusandy

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257 posts

301 months

Wednesday 20th June 2012
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Just dropped in from the TVR section.. need some advice on servicing costs for a 1998 Boxster S
A friend has just put it in for service at a independent 'Porsche expert' garage for a service, car has been well looked after and is currently on about 60k miles I think.

In addition to the normal service cost he has been presented with this list.

1. Air con £615 + vat
2. 2 front tyres plus tracking £346 + vat (front tracking only; tracking is £90.00)
3. Real main seal, plus Intermediate shaft bearing £1,360.00 +vat
4. CV boots £391 + Vat
5. Power steering return line £633.00 + vat
6. Variocam cover £58.00 + Vat
7. Ignition coil packs £236.00 + Vat

I understand that most of these items are the usual suspects to need attention, are the costs sensible though?

Thanks Andy


BertBert

21,299 posts

241 months

Wednesday 20th June 2012
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They look like things that could well need doing and without detailed knowledge of what the individual items cost, they look very feasible.

The boxster S that I am buying has cost 4,500 over the last three annual services (so services and things needing fixing). So not cheap to run. But in good nick now. Although I am planning for similar costs going forward (av £1500 pa).

Bert

pete.g

1,531 posts

236 months

Wednesday 20th June 2012
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That's over £4000 of work.

How much is a 1998 Boxster worth?


disco1

1,963 posts

248 months

Wednesday 20th June 2012
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lotusandy said:
Just dropped in from the TVR section.. need some advice on servicing costs for a 1998 Boxster S
A friend has just put it in for service at a independent 'Porsche expert' garage for a service, car has been well looked after and is currently on about 60k miles I think.

In addition to the normal service cost he has been presented with this list.

1. Air con £615 + vat
2. 2 front tyres plus tracking £346 + vat (front tracking only; tracking is £90.00)
3. Real main seal, plus Intermediate shaft bearing £1,360.00 +vat
4. CV boots £391 + Vat
5. Power steering return line £633.00 + vat
6. Variocam cover £58.00 + Vat
7. Ignition coil packs £236.00 + Vat

I understand that most of these items are the usual suspects to need attention, are the costs sensible though?

Thanks Andy
The costs look fine but I would question whether some of them are actually required. e.g

Coil packs - Has he had issues with missfires? Engine warning light coming on? If not then dont worry.

Aircon- I assume it needs total overhaul for that price and doesnt work at all? If it does work and blow cold I'd question if it's required

RMS/IMS - Again, this is very easy for a specialist to 'throw in', they know how to prey on porsche owners fears, I wouldnt do this without a 2nd opinion.

sportsandclassic

3,774 posts

248 months

Wednesday 20th June 2012
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Hi,

When you say air-conditioning does that mean 2 condensers with re-gas ?

As a comparison we would charge:

1. Air con £615 + vat £420
2. 2 front tyres plus tracking £346 + vat (front tracking only; tracking is £90.00) unknow what tyres
3. Real main seal, plus Intermediate shaft bearing £1,360.00 +vat £1220 (if it needs a new bearing)
4. CV boots £391 + Vat if being done with job above it is 5 mins to remove shafts and 1.5 hours labour so £170
5. Power steering return line £633.00 + vat £492.00 we do dozens of these
6. Variocam cover £58.00 + Vat if just the cover over the solenoid this is about right
7. Ignition coil packs £236.00 + Vat right price including labour

ALL PLUS VAT @ 20%

Mike

chrisobo

27 posts

177 months

Wednesday 20th June 2012
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lotusandy said:
1. Air con £615 + vat
2. 2 front tyres plus tracking £346 + vat (front tracking only; tracking is £90.00)
3. Real main seal, plus Intermediate shaft bearing £1,360.00 +vat
4. CV boots £391 + Vat
5. Power steering return line £633.00 + vat
6. Variocam cover £58.00 + Vat
7. Ignition coil packs £236.00 + Vat
Please, someone correct me if I'm talking utter rubbish but;

Is 3 preventative? I was under the impression that if the IMS collapsed it trashed your engine? Also, may well be worth doing the clutch at the same time...

I also think I heard somewhere that point 5 can be fixed with a jubilee clip...


Phooey

13,868 posts

199 months

Wednesday 20th June 2012
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I reckon on a 98 Box you'd get an OPC (sure Leicester would - if you are close) to match or maybe beat them prices.

anonymous-user

84 months

Wednesday 20th June 2012
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pete.g said:
That's over £4000 of work.

How much is a 1998 Boxster worth?
This is the thing. Older performance cars can get very expensive to keep running in top condition. Many people faced with such advisories sell the car on with the usual "freshly serviced" line in the ad.
If I was keeping the car I would prioritise the £4K list and only do the work immediately required. Basically spread the cost across several routine services. But the cost won't simply go away.


bull996

1,442 posts

239 months

Wednesday 20th June 2012
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Does the IMS bearing listed above remove the IMS failure issue?

bull996

1,442 posts

239 months

Wednesday 20th June 2012
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Anyone?

anonymous-user

84 months

Wednesday 20th June 2012
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I believe so. The original sealed bearings have a habit of disintegrating and causing the catastrophic failure you often hear about. But it usually happens to low mileage cars. Once they get past say 60K miles the bearing seals become less tight and are more easily lubricated by the surrounding oil and the issue tends to go away. Speak to Hartech or read the info on their website if you want the full details. But basically a replacement bearing is a safeguard against this relatively common failure. In this particular case I'd want to know why they were advising to replace the bearing - probably a leaking seal.

993kimbo

3,003 posts

215 months

Wednesday 20th June 2012
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It's very tempting when we see ads for cheap Boxsters and they look amazing value...until you get a bill like this. And more to come.

bull996

1,442 posts

239 months

Wednesday 20th June 2012
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Seems reasonable value TBH, compared to a £6k engine re build.

Minee has an oil leak from that area-1 drip per 24 hours. So I guess that if I were to get either the RMS seal or IMS seal (whichever one is leaking) fixed, may as well get a new bearing too?

MadMark911

1,755 posts

179 months

Wednesday 20th June 2012
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At 14 years old - that's not really that bad! Just beacuse it's a Porsche doesn't mean it's bullet proof, and at that age surely you expect a few things to need attention.

Conversely my Dad's 12 year old Boxster had 4 attempts at it's RMS in the first 2 years (all under warranty) and since then hasn't dropped a drip of oil. OK so it's a "garage queen" that's only done 22,000 miles, but other than an exhaust clamp and a set of tyres, it's needed nothing other than regular servicing. I'm just waiting for it to need any or all of the items mentioned .... frown

cptsideways

13,887 posts

282 months

Wednesday 20th June 2012
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How on earth can PAS lines be £600!! if they are failing at less than 10 years old I'd be getting some lines made up at the local hydraulic place for £100 that'd last way way longer. Or is it some massive job that takes days to do & requires complete removal of everthing under the car?


Think I might have to become a Porsche servicing garage in between the boat & the Bahamas....

thed4ppa

111 posts

245 months

Wednesday 20th June 2012
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£391 + vat to do the c/v boots? My god are they laced with gold?

We have done numerous Boxster C.V boots at our place (non Porsche Specialist although VAG specialists) and its £150 or so I can't even begin to understand how they arrive at that figure! I'd go as far as saying the OPC will definitely be cheaper than that too.

thed4ppa

111 posts

245 months

Wednesday 20th June 2012
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£391 + vat to do the c/v boots? My god are they laced with gold?

We have done numerous Boxster C.V boots at our place (non Porsche Specialist although VAG specialists) and its £150 or so I can't even begin to understand how they arrive at that figure! I'd go as far as saying the OPC will definitely be cheaper than that too.

rhkumar

164 posts

186 months

Wednesday 20th June 2012
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Take it to Mike at S&C. Some of the jobs seem unnecessary unless he's got misfire issues.

Edited by rhkumar on Thursday 21st June 06:12

thegoose

8,077 posts

240 months

Wednesday 20th June 2012
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cptsideways said:
How on earth can PAS lines be £600!! if they are failing at less than 10 years old I'd be getting some lines made up at the local hydraulic place for £100 that'd last way way longer. Or is it some massive job that takes days to do & requires complete removal of everthing under the car?
The pipe is a complete unit - a correctly formed hard metal line with flexible pipes attached to either end. Consequently it's a rather time consuming job to strip everything out of the way, change the pipe and re-assemble everything. You might be able to get somewhere to replicate the part, but you'll need a new one to use as a pattern and I doubt anyone would do it for the same or less than the off the shelf price from Porsche, with a 2 year guarantee.

giltranator

347 posts

218 months

Wednesday 20th June 2012
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How much did the service cost in the first place?

All OPC's will service 986 and 996 models for around £280 and under £400 for a major as they have changed their prices. Even cheaper again if you provide your own oil.