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In my quest to find the 'holy grail' ie a 993RS I can actually afford 
I've looked at 964RS's, 3.0RSR Reps etc etc, even a potential 'build my own' project. However when it comes down to it I can't get my heart away from the idea of a 993RS.....
So looking at racecars to convert back to road-spec, I've come across a lhd '95 RS touring which has been modified to RSR 'spec'. The spec includes oem GT2 boykit, Clubsport interior, engines mods to 345bhp and was Riviera now Polar.
The price looks ok @£60k, it's low mileage @29k miles, the RSR look is very nice, and the mods cost a whopping 45k euros, however my quandry is this - does it still have value as an RS? ie it could easily be reverted back to RS spec for say £15k, some of the RSR bits could sell to fund, but I assume would devalue it as an RS, so would it all be worth it? Or just enjoy as an RSR rep?
The other question is this - the rear spoiler differences between a GT2 and an RSR - is it right that the intake 'triangle' is flat on a GT2 and slanted on an RSR?
TIA
I've looked at 964RS's, 3.0RSR Reps etc etc, even a potential 'build my own' project. However when it comes down to it I can't get my heart away from the idea of a 993RS.....So looking at racecars to convert back to road-spec, I've come across a lhd '95 RS touring which has been modified to RSR 'spec'. The spec includes oem GT2 boykit, Clubsport interior, engines mods to 345bhp and was Riviera now Polar.
The price looks ok @£60k, it's low mileage @29k miles, the RSR look is very nice, and the mods cost a whopping 45k euros, however my quandry is this - does it still have value as an RS? ie it could easily be reverted back to RS spec for say £15k, some of the RSR bits could sell to fund, but I assume would devalue it as an RS, so would it all be worth it? Or just enjoy as an RSR rep?
The other question is this - the rear spoiler differences between a GT2 and an RSR - is it right that the intake 'triangle' is flat on a GT2 and slanted on an RSR?
TIA
if that's the one in France I think the price converted from euros is £69k not £60k, and that's converting at the spot rate, whereas you might lose a further 2% from bank charges so more like £70k+
Still looks a great car with lots of work done converting it. Don't know who does inspections in France???
Still looks a great car with lots of work done converting it. Don't know who does inspections in France???
Andiroo said:
The other question is this - the rear spoiler differences between a GT2 and an RSR - is it right that the intake 'triangle' is flat on a GT2 and slanted on an RSR?
TIA
"Triangle" profile on GT2 as you say is different between RS and GT2. GT2 intake is much squatter, and the uprights are not as tall. GT2 intakes are designed to actually channel air on to the intercooler rather than RS which are just openings in to the engine bay. Do some google image searches between the two and the differences are immediately apparent.TIA
There is silver RSR rep, again built by Freisinger I believe, which used to or perhaps still is in the UK and the owner frequents PH. Lovely looking machine - could be the one in the picture?
Shame the car doesn't have its Riviera paint......
Jimmy Riviera said:
Andiroo said:
The other question is this - the rear spoiler differences between a GT2 and an RSR - is it right that the intake 'triangle' is flat on a GT2 and slanted on an RSR?
TIA
"Triangle" profile on GT2 as you say is different between RS and GT2. GT2 intake is much squatter, and the uprights are not as tall. GT2 intakes are designed to actually channel air on to the intercooler rather than RS which are just openings in to the engine bay. Do some google image searches between the two and the differences are immediately apparent.TIA
There is silver RSR rep, again built by Freisinger I believe, which used to or perhaps still is in the UK and the owner frequents PH. Lovely looking machine - could be the one in the picture?
Shame the car doesn't have its Riviera paint......
The photo I posted was a Freisinger build (not sure if restored or a rep) that Thomas Schmitz has sold in the past. The difference with the one in France is the GT2 spoiler it has, plus still awaiting the full engine spec.... if it's anything close to this I would be a happy puppy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4e3jeSDTZ0
Totally agree re the Riviera too, awaiting a reply as to whether it was a full respray or just panels, hopefully the latter
No, conversion. But with rsr parts.
The story from Thomas Schmitz is that 7 rsr conversions were built at the end of the genuine cars production run. 6 went to race teams and 1 was gifted to the son of a very good customer.
Mine is the gifted one.
Previous owner raced it in various championships in the uk.
I had it made 'just' road legal and drove it to circuits for a year. Then found I was too much of a tart and paid RC to trailer it for me - air con after 6 hrs on track is heaven...
The story from Thomas Schmitz is that 7 rsr conversions were built at the end of the genuine cars production run. 6 went to race teams and 1 was gifted to the son of a very good customer.
Mine is the gifted one.
Previous owner raced it in various championships in the uk.
I had it made 'just' road legal and drove it to circuits for a year. Then found I was too much of a tart and paid RC to trailer it for me - air con after 6 hrs on track is heaven...
This is exactly what i did, i bought a 993 UK Carrera cup car and converted it to a nut and bolt Clubsport spec with 3.8, correct seam wealding, matter cage etc but I fitted plexi glass (with the correct tint) and fully rose jointed the suspension so that I can race it in historics in a few years time. Tony Littlejohn of GTR motorsport and Paul Mclean of GT Classics handled the build and it's so accurate that a concours judge refused to believe that it was not an original Clubsport.
If you are going to convert a car yourself, make sure you use a race car with a history as a base car or the build costs will far outweigh the end value of the car. Also, make sure that you use an expert to oversee the build. there are lots of small details that few people are aware specific to these cars and it's important to get everything exactly right.
The car is pictured on race wheels, I have a set of Speedlines for road tyres. Good luck with your search and make sure you take the right advice before you buy
Steve Rance said:
This is exactly what i did, i bought a 993 UK Carrera cup car and converted it to a nut and bolt Clubsport spec with 3.8, correct seam wealding, matter cage etc but I fitted plexi glass (with the correct tint) and fully rose jointed the suspension so that I can race it in historics in a few years time. Tony Littlejohn of GTR motorsport and Paul Mclean of GT Classics handled the build and it's so accurate that a concours judge refused to believe that it was not an original Clubsport.
If you are going to convert a car yourself, make sure you use a race car with a history as a base car or the build costs will far outweigh the end value of the car. Also, make sure that you use an expert to oversee the build. there are lots of small details that few people are aware specific to these cars and it's important to get everything exactly right.
The car is pictured on race wheels, I have a set of Speedlines for road tyres. Good luck with your search and make sure you take the right advice before you buy
Ultra Violent said:
No, conversion. But with rsr parts.
The story from Thomas Schmitz is that 7 rsr conversions were built at the end of the genuine cars production run. 6 went to race teams and 1 was gifted to the son of a very good customer.
Mine is the gifted one.
Previous owner raced it in various championships in the uk.
I had it made 'just' road legal and drove it to circuits for a year. Then found I was too much of a tart and paid RC to trailer it for me - air con after 6 hrs on track is heaven...
That sounds very nice mate, it'll be a keeper then?The story from Thomas Schmitz is that 7 rsr conversions were built at the end of the genuine cars production run. 6 went to race teams and 1 was gifted to the son of a very good customer.
Mine is the gifted one.
Previous owner raced it in various championships in the uk.
I had it made 'just' road legal and drove it to circuits for a year. Then found I was too much of a tart and paid RC to trailer it for me - air con after 6 hrs on track is heaven...
Steve Rance said:
This is exactly what i did, i bought a 993 UK Carrera cup car and converted it to a nut and bolt Clubsport spec with 3.8, correct seam wealding, matter cage etc but I fitted plexi glass (with the correct tint) and fully rose jointed the suspension so that I can race it in historics in a few years time. Tony Littlejohn of GTR motorsport and Paul Mclean of GT Classics handled the build and it's so accurate that a concours judge refused to believe that it was not an original Clubsport.
If you are going to convert a car yourself, make sure you use a race car with a history as a base car or the build costs will far outweigh the end value of the car. Also, make sure that you use an expert to oversee the build. there are lots of small details that few people are aware specific to these cars and it's important to get everything exactly right.
The car is pictured on race wheels, I have a set of Speedlines for road tyres. Good luck with your search and make sure you take the right advice before you buy
ks! Although I think the 'value' in this could be keeping it not too far away from an RS Touring - but obviously enjoy the mods in the meantime The logic you have in converting is really sound - quite strange as it's what I was looking at doing before I came across this car, as I mentioned above - take a race car with provenance and bring it back on the road - like what you & James have done - in fact that's what I did back in 2003 when I purchased Littlejohn's Falken 930/GT2 - say hi to him for me
A couple of GT2 Evo's came up in my search, all matching numbers but obviously raced to death, this one was sold unfortunately, but the provenance awesome, and what a road car with £15k or so thrown at it...
http://www.racecarsforsale.com/prototype-and-gt-ca...
Then came across this, chassis number indicates an RSR, good value but a bit of a shed imho...
http://www.racecarsforsale.com/prototype-and-gt-ca...
There again if it turns out to be an original could be worth the pain?
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