997 GT3 tuning/modification, where to start??
997 GT3 tuning/modification, where to start??
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tomvcarter

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1,091 posts

223 months

Tuesday 14th August 2012
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Hi, just wondering what the general consensus is on modifying a GT3... I have fitted a titanium exhaust system with high flow cats to gain a bit more power/less weight, but am not sure what the next step should be (if any).
It's a road car with occasional track use.
What do most people do next?
It's a Mk1 997 GT3 Club Sport.

FactoryPilot

1,352 posts

246 months

Tuesday 14th August 2012
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Uprated suspension - ohlins.
Fit a Cup diff (or Fearnsport modified one)
Uprated bigger steel brakes.
Get a proper geo done.

WIth that lot it will be a fair bit quicker. Engine wise unless you want to rebuild there's not a huge amount that you can do, plus it is all pretty expensive.

I suppose you could de-cat, fit a 4.0RS air box and filters - with modified engine cover lid, and get a custom map, not sure on the gains, but I'd def do the suspension and brakes etc first.

fioran0

2,410 posts

202 months

Tuesday 14th August 2012
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Have you changed your sway bar?
If you've not put on the thicker rear then this would always be the first place to start. Without it you won't be able to dial out the inherent under steer in the 997.1
There's background info on pages 4-5 of the parr fast road geo thread.

After that it's the usual stuff and depends entirely on what you want and are trying to achieve.

Edited by fioran0 on Tuesday 14th August 09:15

mrdemon

21,146 posts

295 months

Tuesday 14th August 2012
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ARB's and engine mounts would be 1st for me.

Giro disks and better pads next,

Tie all that up with a good geo and tyres.

Then if you want faster track times after that, a set of Motons.

Martian O

2,734 posts

192 months

Tuesday 14th August 2012
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Agree with the above, but some good driver training may outweigh the cost of the mods to start with.

TB993tt

2,077 posts

271 months

Tuesday 14th August 2012
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For engine the ultimate would be RS Tuning 4.3 litre conversion Leistung: 393 kW / 534 PS bei 8500 U/min
Drehmoment: 517 Nm bei 5300 U/min
For less bucks BBi in US do a 4.0 litre "slip in" conversion which seems to be robust, Ken at 9 Excellence would be your route to that one....

mrdemon

21,146 posts

295 months

Tuesday 14th August 2012
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Check out the Sharkwerks cars if you want to spend money on the engine they do a nice 3.9L upgrade.
Not worth it now you can buy a 997.2 RS for 90k though.


Steve Rance

5,453 posts

261 months

Tuesday 14th August 2012
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Take off the PASM, smash it up with a hammer, burn it then bury it underground. After that fit a decent set of adjustable dampers and get a geo done by somebody who knows what they are doing.

Thats all you need to do. Dont sod about with anything else, it will be a waste of money. A 997GT3 - any 997GT3 - with a decent set of passive dampers and a geo will be a stunning car to drive

MadMark911

1,755 posts

179 months

Tuesday 14th August 2012
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Steve Rance said:
Take off the PASM, smash it up with a hammer, burn it then bury it underground. After that fit a decent set of adjustable dampers and get a geo done by somebody who knows what they are doing.

Thats all you need to do. Dont sod about with anything else, it will be a waste of money. A 997GT3 - any 997GT3 - with a decent set of passive dampers and a geo will be a stunning car to drive
Jeez - what's wrong with the standard dampers? confused

Trev450

6,763 posts

202 months

Tuesday 14th August 2012
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Steve Rance said:
Take off the PASM, smash it up with a hammer, burn it then bury it underground.
Not a fan of PASM then Steve laugh

Kidhaa

398 posts

237 months

Tuesday 14th August 2012
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FactoryPilot said:
Uprated suspension - ohlins.
fit a 4.0RS air box and filters - with modified engine cover lid,
I’ve done this on my 997 gt3 mk1, makes a nicer sound along with the fab speed by pass, no other gains noticeable

But I’ve heard the RS4.0 air box is v.expensive being carbon fibre. I know fab speed do a modified air box which they say gives +hp

Airbox, suspension, geo & exhaust would be as far as i would take it.



RatBoy M3CSL

1,490 posts

226 months

Tuesday 14th August 2012
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Steve Rance said:
Take off the PASM, smash it up with a hammer, burn it then bury it underground. After that fit a decent set of adjustable dampers and get a geo done by somebody who knows what they are doing.

Thats all you need to do. Dont sod about with anything else, it will be a waste of money. A 997GT3 - any 997GT3 - with a decent set of passive dampers and a geo will be a stunning car to drive
+1, dont bother with Zorsts / filter and remaps they are 415bhp anyhow, if it then makes 420bhp you will be wasting your money chap just get some RS29's, adjust the roll bars, get a good geo and learnt to drive it, then some struts if you want to spend £3-£7K on KW's or Ohlins.. if you want more power buy a 3.8/3.8RS or a 4.0...!


Edited by RatBoy M3CSL on Tuesday 14th August 14:19

drpep

1,761 posts

198 months

Tuesday 14th August 2012
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tomvcarter said:
Hi, just wondering what the general consensus is on modifying a GT3... I have fitted a titanium exhaust system with high flow cats to gain a bit more power/less weight, but am not sure what the next step should be (if any).
It's a road car with occasional track use.
What do most people do next?
It's a Mk1 997 GT3 Club Sport.
Surprised nobody's asked; what are you hoping to achieve with your mods? More power? Better road car? Better track car?

DiscoColin

3,328 posts

244 months

Tuesday 14th August 2012
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To be honest, I'd say simply don't. By the time you put a titanium exhaust on it, mess around with the induction and suspension and bolt on 380mm disks you would have been better off getting into a 3.8 to begin with. Upgrade the diff when it needs replacing. Upgrade the disks when they need replacing. Single mass flywheel is an option (which is a matter of taste as much as performance) at such point as when you need a new clutch.

The one thing that you should do is have it geoed by someone who knows what they are doing, but other than possibly a rear anti-roll bar change - that shouldn't need parts. You will need to spend a fair amount of time and money on track days and instruction before it is genuinely worth switching the dampers IMHO. If you can pedal like Mr Rance then it is night and day, but frankly - the question being asked implies that at this point your money is better invested in yourself than shiney bits for the car??

911god

2,961 posts

215 months

Tuesday 14th August 2012
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DiscoColin said:
To be honest, I'd say simply don't. By the time you put a titanium exhaust on it, mess around with the induction and suspension and bolt on 380mm disks you would have been better off getting into a 3.8 to begin with. Upgrade the diff when it needs replacing. Upgrade the disks when they need replacing. Single mass flywheel is an option (which is a matter of taste as much as performance) at such point as when you need a new clutch.

The one thing that you should do is have it geoed by someone who knows what they are doing, but other than possibly a rear anti-roll bar change - that shouldn't need parts. You will need to spend a fair amount of time and money on track days and instruction before it is genuinely worth switching the dampers IMHO. If you can pedal like Mr Rance then it is night and day, but frankly - the question being asked implies that at this point your money is better invested in yourself than shiney bits for the car??
+1

Slippydiff

16,432 posts

253 months

Tuesday 14th August 2012
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Sharkwerks 3.9 conversion (there's a bigger one on the way too apparently) wink will give you 500hp and added to a £55K Gen 1 "vanilla" GT3 will still be far, far less than a 500hp 4 Litre factory car.

Bolt on a set of ExeTcs finest and you'll still be quids in (and have a quicker/better handling car than a Gen 2 3.8 GT3/RS or 4 Litre) yikes

You'll not get much/any of it back come resale time, but the journey is often waaaaay better than the holiday. If that's you, do it, the end result would be epic.

FWIW, I considered all the above mods, but found the standard car more than quick enough (and its handling more than adequate) for the road . . . .
I think you may be trying to "Gild the lily". There's absolutely no harm in doing so, as long as you go into the exercise with your eyes wide open.

red997

1,304 posts

239 months

Thursday 16th August 2012
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I'd be following Steve's advice TBH
bang for buck, you can't get that much more out of the GT engines

fioran0

2,410 posts

202 months

Thursday 16th August 2012
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absolutely, passive dampers and geo is it in a nutshell however you need to do your rear sway bar first before anything else. if you dont you will still have a ton of understeer that you cannot get out.
the bar costs about £300 and can be fitted yourself in 10 minutes.
even just with this change and a geo the car will be much better to drive, however you will still be locked in a battle with PASM as it trys to adjust to something you have already adjusted for. unsettling at times, scary at others.

the rear bar on the 997.1 is simply too small. the car has a ton of understeer however it is delivered from the factory with the bar maxed out. what this means is you are left with nowhere you adjust to to improve things. the only adjustment available is in the opposite direction you need to go.
the 997.2 changed to a larger bar which not only cured the understeer but gave you back a degree of adjustability to fine tune with the bars too.
fwiw there is a technical service bulletin from porsche for the 997.1 advising dealers that the changing to the larger rear bar is beneficial and acceptable, and the original smaller rear bar is now superseded in PET to the larger bar. this means that if you had a bar issue on a 997.1 you would be supplied with the larger one. there is no small rear one available any more. this is as close to admitting a mistake and offering a recall/upgrade as one will get from porsche these days sadly.

after that, passive dampers and a good geo and you are away and flying. the 997.1 is a great car.


Edited by fioran0 on Thursday 16th August 11:11

RatBoy M3CSL

1,490 posts

226 months

Thursday 16th August 2012
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..I've heard that a lot of folk put the GT2 RARB on these cars, which helps a lot

Assuming most folk would have the FARB set to full soft to get the most grip they can and then run out of adjustment, you cant play with the dampers, so the next best thing is to stiffen and loosen the rear, does this mod actually help the front grip harder, or just loosen the rear to balance the car out better ..?

Edited by RatBoy M3CSL on Thursday 16th August 11:31

fioran0

2,410 posts

202 months

Thursday 16th August 2012
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yeah, thats what folks were doing and what the TSB issued by porsche covers. that rear bar superseded to a new part number shared by the 997.2

it moves the balance of grip to the front giving you greater overall grip. you gain at the front by losing some from the rear which enables you to exploit more of the maximum available. the weakest end is always the limiting factor.
the 997 platform is fantastic, sadly it takes a bit of work to be able to unlock it due simply to its factory configuration.



Edited by fioran0 on Thursday 16th August 11:38