Do Porsche now have an Issue with holding back the Boxster ?

[mrdemon]

The new Cayman and Boxster are held back being slower than the out going Spyder and Cayman R models with less BHp
A reason I would NOT upgrade to a new one which is a shame (lauch boxster S should have been 350BHP imo).

But now Jag have their baby in 3 models min spec is already 335BHp with a 375BHP and >400BHp models available.

I have no interest in the biger heavy weight 5.0-litre V8

but the 375BHp must hit a nice sweet spot and being a 3.0-litre supercharged V6 will offer great torque and a nice turn of speed.

I guess full details with be at the Paris show next week, but it looks stonking :-)

Added to this the coupe will have the same engines, which will make the new 2013 Cayman seem lacking in Bhp if the rumor of only 330BHP is true

Edited by mrdemon on Saturday 22 September 11:29

[Gibbo205]

Jag looks nice but how heavy?

Plus I doubt it will feel nowhere as good to drive as mid-engine Porsche offerings and that both the Boxster and cayman with there 330BHP will still be quicker on a back road or track.

[mrdemon]

Torque wins races :-) and back B road blasts :-)

I am sure Jag have a winner on their hands

[Terminator X]

Wow that Jag looks gawjus

TX.

[nickfrog]

Yes 320ps in a lightish mid-engine low COG car is shockingly low. I am not sure the wheels will actually turn at all.

[mrdemon]

It,s not low, but it is less than the outgoing models, which current owners own, so not much to upgrade too.

A 375bhp V6 S/C 2 seater Jag is though.

The new Boxster and 2013 Bhp levels just seem low, when before Porsche have been king adding 20 to 30bhp here and there.

And we all know its because of the 345bhp 911.

Porsche will loose sales because of the Jag, that no doubt, the question is, will they loose enough to worry about, and I guess that might be no.....

[nickfrog]

Thing is, it's a road car. If you use all the traction and lateral grip, it's not power you'll be craving for, it's bigger brakes. And a solicitor.

[rdjohn]

anonymous said:

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I agree, weight is the single thing that kills all modern cars and makes inferior-engined Elices superior in many respects.

The thing is, bragging-rights are much more easily expressed in bhp/tonne & 0-60 times etc. You only needs to see base Porsche and BMWs on trackdays to see how they are hobbled by their weight.

[mrmr96]

mrdemon said:

Torque wins races :-)

Does it fk!

[Actus Reus]

Borrowing Cambridge OPC's 981S this weekend and it is epic. Photos and thoughts to follow (it's lime gold and I love it).

[craigjm]

I fear Jaguar will shoot themselves in the foot with this car and all it will do initially is steal sales from their own XK which must be going upmarket for its next iteration. Personally I dont think many 911 owners would consider it as its only a two seater and against the Cayman/Boxster it is going to be less practical storage wise due to its layout. Im sure it will sell but I sure hope the quality has improved since the XF that I had which was absolutely shocking. I will be looking to upgrade my Cayman S next year, not sure I would consider the Jag for the fact that I like the character of the flat mid engine over a traditional layout.

Power figures are purely for schoolkids with top trumps cards or grown ups that are frankly worried about the size of their genitals

[mrdemon]

Lol regarding your power figure thoughts.

I could just not swap the Spyder for a slower car, est one which is not as good to drive.

If anything I am looking at a Cayman R as a daily, not any of Porsche new offerings.
I think the F-type will make a great daily with a V6 super charged lump.

[Gibbo205]

mrdemon said:

Lol regarding your power figure thoughts.

I could just not swap the Spyder for a slower car, est one which is not as good to drive.

If anything I am looking at a Cayman R as a daily, not any of Porsche new offerings.
I think the F-type will make a great daily with a V6 super charged lump.

Why buy a Cayman R when you have a Spyder? Bar from the roof they both drive very similar, though in my view the Spyder is a marginally better drive.

If you want power buy a 997 S or Turbo for your daily drive, both quicker than your Spyder in straight lines, one considerably more so than the other.

For me next step is a 997.2 GT3, because I love trackdays as such the next step from the Carrera S will be a 997 GT3 and gen2 will be a more noticable upgrade.