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iaiin

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406 posts

279 months

Sunday 30th September 2012
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Hi
I have got my 1999 carerra 4, its got full porsche history (well stamps in book !) up to 100k miles & indy after this, it has loads of receipts etc & it is now on 125k miles, Will the cam belt have been done in with porsche servicing? what is the miles that cam belt should be done, read service book but bit confusing? Also the owner who i got it off only drove it about 2k a year, he has owned for 5 years & changed oil & filters when mot (once a year) He has loads of other stuff done when needed,new exhaust etc £1k & loads of other stuff, new coils, plugs so did not seem to skimp? I would like to get a service done but dont really know what to ask mechanic to do as all mixed up where old & few miles on clock? any help would be good to get it to standard it deserves....
cheers

Martian O

2,734 posts

192 months

Sunday 30th September 2012
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No cam belt.

You have other belts though.

RatBoy M3CSL

1,490 posts

226 months

Sunday 30th September 2012
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iaiin said:
Will the cam belt have been done in with porsche servicing? what is the miles that cam belt should be done, read service book but bit confusing?

cheers
Thanks chap, you've made my day... ! Porsche 911 cam belts last a lifetime don't ya know..!

There are a few other belts that will need checking and changing as required tho', just get a full or minor service done @ a good Indie, and they will change what ever needs doing, you won't need to be specific, unless you have a specific problem to resolve..

Edited by RatBoy M3CSL on Sunday 30th September 12:56

JW911

936 posts

225 months

Sunday 30th September 2012
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RatBoy M3CSL said:
Porsche 911 cam belts last a lifetime don't ya know..!
It's because they're made of metal. wink

iaiin

Original Poster:

406 posts

279 months

Sunday 30th September 2012
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RatBoy M3CSL said:
iaiin said:
Will the cam belt have been done in with porsche servicing? what is the miles that cam belt should be done, read service book but bit confusing?

cheers
Thanks chap, you've made my day... ! Porsche 911 cam belts last a lifetime don't ya know..!

There are a few other belts that will need checking and changing as required tho', just get a full or minor service done @ a good Indie, and they will change what ever needs doing, you won't need to be specific, unless you have a specific problem to resolve..

Edited by RatBoy M3CSL on Sunday 30th September 12:56
ha ha , i know a fair bit about cars but did not know that!! Ah well good news , there are no probs with car but just like to know everything is done that should be!!! Where it has not been doing miles and just gets oil & flter every mot its all a bit mixed up in book now.. What should a full service cost from indie for it roughly?
cheers

iaiin

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406 posts

279 months

Sunday 30th September 2012
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JW911 said:
It's because they're made of metal. wink
ha ha sorry , is this a bad time to ask why all my bags in the boot keep comimg out all oily & hot ha ha

MrC986

3,753 posts

221 months

Sunday 30th September 2012
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The power of Google gave my search Brookspeed at Southampton....minor service (6k) £210 and major (12k) £350 plus VAT plus bits and bobs.

As one of the other responses said, it is almost worth a run out to see them taking the service book and receipts and asking them what they genuinely think it needs? A good indie will be pragmatic & also ask you whether you will do low miles & hence need just an annual service or whether it will be a daily driver?

iaiin

Original Poster:

406 posts

279 months

Sunday 30th September 2012
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MrC986 said:
The power of Google gave my search Brookspeed at Southampton....minor service (6k) £210 and major (12k) £350 plus VAT plus bits and bobs.

As one of the other responses said, it is almost worth a run out to see them taking the service book and receipts and asking them what they genuinely think it needs? A good indie will be pragmatic & also ask you whether you will do low miles & hence need just an annual service or whether it will be a daily driver?
many thanks,thats not to bad price , my cam belt on lexus & service was £800 !!!
yes good idea on let them look at book, its so confusing & there is so much history/ miles done.
These belts that need doing, are they an equivilent off cam belt in as much as if they snap ,or do they basically knacker the engine? or just inconvienant if snap?
cheers for help

thegoose

8,077 posts

240 months

Sunday 30th September 2012
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There is one poly belt, which drives water pump, AC compressor and alternator. It costs £30-£40 and takes a few minutes to change. It's also easy to inspect the condition of it just by opening the engine cover.

I'd suggest taking the car rather than just the book so they can see what they'd recommend but if you want a thorough list of routine items to do which are often not done on low mileage older cars then start with the following:
Oil & filter
Fuel filter
Air filter
Brake fluid change
Transmission oil


nxi20

786 posts

235 months

Sunday 30th September 2012
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Firstly, it's belt singular & needs to be changed every 48K miles. If it goes, it's more often than not because an idler pulley (there are 2) or the water pump has siezed and the belt has shredded or come off. In any event, when the belt fails, stop immediately because the water pump won't be turning and that's not a good thing tongue out

I keep the old one in the boot in case it happens while I'm miles from anywhere on a wet Sunday.

iaiin

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406 posts

279 months

Sunday 30th September 2012
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thegoose said:
There is one poly belt, which drives water pump, AC compressor and alternator. It costs £30-£40 and takes a few minutes to change. It's also easy to inspect the condition of it just by opening the engine cover.

I'd suggest taking the car rather than just the book so they can see what they'd recommend but if you want a thorough list of routine items to do which are often not done on low mileage older cars then start with the following:
Oil & filter
Fuel filter
Air filter
Brake fluid change
Transmission oil
Thanks, looking through stuff this seems to be whats being done, cant see transmission oil change on reciepts but the rest is all their?
car done 125k
oil & filter, brake fluid change, spark plugs done at 120k,spark plugs, coil packs, air filter done at 112 k but in 2009, new water pump at 112k, s ny thing missing is transmission oil change & it is 4 wheel drive car, when do you change tranny oil?

iaiin

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406 posts

279 months

Sunday 30th September 2012
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nxi20 said:
Firstly, it's belt singular & needs to be changed every 48K miles. If it goes, it's more often than not because an idler pulley (there are 2) or the water pump has siezed and the belt has shredded or come off. In any event, when the belt fails, stop immediately because the water pump won't be turning and that's not a good thing tongue out

I keep the old one in the boot in case it happens while I'm miles from anywhere on a wet Sunday.
ok i get it now, it has had new water ump so shud be ok, just transmission oil i am concerened about so not to bad?
cheers for help

thegoose

8,077 posts

240 months

Sunday 30th September 2012
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Specified interval is 96k

iaiin

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406 posts

279 months

Sunday 30th September 2012
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thegoose said:
Specified interval is 96k
Cheers may have been done under porsche service but stamp in book dont really tell, will get it done to be safe..
thanks

Magic919

14,543 posts

231 months

Sunday 30th September 2012
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My book says inspect condition every 24,000 miles. However, my OPC suggested replacing at 48k. Did one on the other car at 62k as it was looking a bit knackered.

iaiin

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406 posts

279 months

Monday 1st October 2012
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Magic919 said:
My book says inspect condition every 24,000 miles. However, my OPC suggested replacing at 48k. Did one on the other car at 62k as it was looking a bit knackered.
will get it done to be safe....i dont think its worth skimping on anything service wise to be honest, but its strange that mechanics have different ideas when reading books about what mile/timescale things should be done..If they dont know , how are we meant to?

bobsan

495 posts

249 months

Monday 1st October 2012
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although the poly or auxiliary drive belt is easy to inspect and change, at the mileage your vehicle has amassed i'd be inclined to have the cam chains checked for wear, specifically the tensioner's.

steveatesh

5,368 posts

194 months

Monday 1st October 2012
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Do all of the recent Porsche have a timing chain rather than a belt? I e just ordered a 981 Boxster and it would be nice to know no timing belt issues ahead! I never even asked at ordering guess I was too excited with the rest of it to consider something like that so far ahead frown

steve singh

3,995 posts

203 months

Monday 1st October 2012
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Despite having a chain driven cam belt, I've always heard that the metal can stretch over time and that north of 100k miles it should be changed/checked ?

In fact, if memory serves me correct, someone on here had a GT2 which went backwards on a track day and stressed the chain which then caused a catastrophic engine failure somewhere down the line - maybe I've mixed up some posts, my memory doesn't always serve me well...

thegoose

8,077 posts

240 months

Monday 1st October 2012
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steve singh said:
Despite having a chain driven cam belt, I've always heard that the metal can stretch over time and that north of 100k miles it should be changed/checked ?

In fact, if memory serves me correct, someone on here had a GT2 which went backwards on a track day and stressed the chain which then caused a catastrophic engine failure somewhere down the line - maybe I've mixed up some posts, my memory doesn't always serve me well...
Chain driven cam belt? confused I assume you meant chain driven camshaft. Chains can stretch but if it's more than the tensioner(s) can take up then it'll usually get noisey rather just failing (same if the tensioner fails). It is possible to inspect the chain to measure the deflection (in degrees) but given that it can cost a few grand to instal new chains I'd suggest that on an early 996 with 125k on it that you wouldn't do them as a routine item if the deflection was a bit high. There is no specified interval for chains on any car (that I'm aware of) because they are so durable and because each owner's useage profile will be different it's hard to say whether one will last 250,000 miles or 350,000 miles or 500,000 miles (we just disposed of a 360,000 mile BMW that was running fine and had never had chains done, or anything else internal on the engine come to that).

I think it was a 996 Turbo rather than GT2 that it happened to, and was due to being buzzed (rev range 2, missed downshift) but yes it was a big job, but noteworthy because of how incredibly rare it was - that's also a different engine to the one if the 996 C4.