Should an Elise be able to keep up with my 996?
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Because it more or less did last night. I thought the 996 (3.4) would kill it.
It was only a little play upto 80, but I only pulled a cars length or so on it. and it was a R reg, so couldn't be an Exige (know nowt about Elise's)
I gave him the thumbs up, but I wasn't best pleased with the porker.
It was only a little play upto 80, but I only pulled a cars length or so on it. and it was a R reg, so couldn't be an Exige (know nowt about Elise's)
I gave him the thumbs up, but I wasn't best pleased with the porker.
0-60 on boggo S1s was around 5.5 seconds which lurks close to that of early 996s.
Above that your Pork should romp away.
I remember struggling against a well driven Pug 405 a few years ago in a moment of 50-70 inadequacy but as we all know, the Elise will change direction at 100 mph better than anything this side of a Radical Osprey on full dive attack, having spied a particularly luscious trout running upstream and wearing a 'please eat me rapaciously' T-shirt.
Above that your Pork should romp away.
I remember struggling against a well driven Pug 405 a few years ago in a moment of 50-70 inadequacy but as we all know, the Elise will change direction at 100 mph better than anything this side of a Radical Osprey on full dive attack, having spied a particularly luscious trout running upstream and wearing a 'please eat me rapaciously' T-shirt.
Also remember that there are one hell of a lot of tuned Elises out there, some factory models pushed 190bhp while the Turbo Technics conversions were IIRC in the region of 250.
A standard 118 bhp Elise is nippy enough till 80, the tuned ones can be shatteringly fast.
Of course a 911 is going to slaughter all but the most extreme Elises when entering 3 figure speeds.
A standard 118 bhp Elise is nippy enough till 80, the tuned ones can be shatteringly fast.
Of course a 911 is going to slaughter all but the most extreme Elises when entering 3 figure speeds.
I agree with the above comments... I had an 98'S1 elise for just over two years... it was approx 140bhp (a few mods, nothing serious) but in gears 1 & 2 it would give some serious machinery a run for its money... unfortunately given that it is only a 1.8 with around 120lbft or torque, once you hit third gear (around 60ish) acceleration dramatically slowed down! If you had continued your little drag to about 100mph you would have comprehensively beaten it....
Had a few traffic light races with a 996 Porsche driver who was rather surprised I left him behind. I know this, as he told me at the next set of lights we stopped at. I believe the phrase he used was "That goes well; I must have paid twice the money you did?" My reply: "Actually it was about 3 or 4 times (squeal or tortured rubber as I launched off again and left him behind with a big grin on my face!)" 
Then I left him behind again at the next set, promising him I’d done no particular tuning to it. The last set of lights had a 2 mile straight after them. Obviously he had me then, but he struggled till about 95! Very satisfying.
I've only got about 146bhp, max out at 132, 14 seconds quarter mile. It pulls really well to about 90. And just reasonably well after that. It's a close ratio box and has an induction kit and sports exhaust but the Cat is till on it. While I’d appreciate the Porker on a motorway or European drive it suits me just fine for blats and track days.
Regards
Dave
Then I left him behind again at the next set, promising him I’d done no particular tuning to it. The last set of lights had a 2 mile straight after them. Obviously he had me then, but he struggled till about 95! Very satisfying.
I've only got about 146bhp, max out at 132, 14 seconds quarter mile. It pulls really well to about 90. And just reasonably well after that. It's a close ratio box and has an induction kit and sports exhaust but the Cat is till on it. While I’d appreciate the Porker on a motorway or European drive it suits me just fine for blats and track days.
Regards
Dave
Dave - whilst I know that the elise goes well (very well considering its a 1.8), if you left him behind, he wasn't trying hard enough or he had a problem.. Ive been there and done it myself and the cars are pretty equal upto about 60/70ish but after that the torque takes over and its good night.. Im not doubting your encounter and it obviously left him feeling a little upset but you certainly shouldn't be walking away with it!
Steve
Steve
I think the peformance difference in both cases is too small and driver ability is a bigger factor in this case. It's no offense, because I don't claim to be a world class driver:
A while ago I was hooning around in my 320 Bhp 928 S4 manual along a twisty archytypical British Country road and a VW Golf GTi Mk2 was stuck to my rear, I couldn't shake him! Even on the short straight bits I wasn't leaving him for dead. I keep telling myself I wasn't using my effective rev range well enough or that his car was modified (he was so close I could hear his thrashy four pot engine from within MY 928!) but thinking back his car didn't really look hotted up- he was just a daring driver who didn't have to worry so much about slowing down around corners I imagine.
A while ago I was hooning around in my 320 Bhp 928 S4 manual along a twisty archytypical British Country road and a VW Golf GTi Mk2 was stuck to my rear, I couldn't shake him! Even on the short straight bits I wasn't leaving him for dead. I keep telling myself I wasn't using my effective rev range well enough or that his car was modified (he was so close I could hear his thrashy four pot engine from within MY 928!) but thinking back his car didn't really look hotted up- he was just a daring driver who didn't have to worry so much about slowing down around corners I imagine.
Depends and the elise and the location of course.
A standard one around somewhere like Bedford autodrome or silverstone would get shat on (with equal drivers)
Something would 160bhp plus would be more difficult to shake .
On a normal British average/poor quality road there would be very little in it because you would never be able to get more than 7/10 ths our of the car unless you wanted to die soon.
A standard one around somewhere like Bedford autodrome or silverstone would get shat on (with equal drivers)
Something would 160bhp plus would be more difficult to shake .
On a normal British average/poor quality road there would be very little in it because you would never be able to get more than 7/10 ths our of the car unless you wanted to die soon.
also remember that what you may consider to be a 'stupid risk', the other guy may be able (or not) to handle his car in that situation. Agree that outright dangerous moves are not big or clever in any one's book, except plod's notebook! Take it easy out there kids. Watch out for the bikes!
I have a mate who'se got a caterham SLR on sticky yokos, who I would challenge anyone to beat down a B road. I do mean anyone. He would give a group A driver a good run for his money. British karting champion in the early 90's etc! Most of his driving others would consider to be a stupid risk, but he can make the car dance! forget your let the 'engine do the work' turbos!
I have a mate who'se got a caterham SLR on sticky yokos, who I would challenge anyone to beat down a B road. I do mean anyone. He would give a group A driver a good run for his money. British karting champion in the early 90's etc! Most of his driving others would consider to be a stupid risk, but he can make the car dance! forget your let the 'engine do the work' turbos!
I'm sorry, but no matter how much he can make the car 'dance', it is of little use if he rounds a blind corner to find an almost stationary hedgecutting tractor 10 metres on and a car coming the other way. In almost every situation on UK b-roads I do not believe I would be able to pull much of a lead on my little bro in his waxo vtr, simply because in almost every instance, safe speed is determined by visibility.
Behind every blind corner there can be some muppet parked up in the road having tea and biscuits and I think it is worthwhile remembering that to eliminate risk you should always be able to stop within your range of visibility. I do not claim to do this in all situations, and I'm pretty sure that neither to 90% of other drivers on the road, but not to acknowledge that the faster you go in these situations the greater the risk (no matter who is driving), is just daft.
Thankyou and apologies, I will now respectfully dismount my particularly high horse.
Behind every blind corner there can be some muppet parked up in the road having tea and biscuits and I think it is worthwhile remembering that to eliminate risk you should always be able to stop within your range of visibility. I do not claim to do this in all situations, and I'm pretty sure that neither to 90% of other drivers on the road, but not to acknowledge that the faster you go in these situations the greater the risk (no matter who is driving), is just daft.
Thankyou and apologies, I will now respectfully dismount my particularly high horse.
Polar and Silver 993 - completely agree. Visibility is the deciding factor - one should always drive at a speed you can stop in. Familiarity of road / lane width can lull us in to false sense of security. The day one assumes a corner exit is clear is the one day some hard of hearing Swedish orienteers are consulting their maps and not their instinct for self preservation.
BCA said:
Ah, but also remember that theres a difference between a good driver and one thats willing to take stupid risks.
What a very good comment.
BCA = Wise old man.
(Or should that be Smart Young Man?!)
Edited: Not that smart though, I see no BTaP icon!
Not coming along Ben?
>> Edited by DustyC on Friday 3rd September 11:20
Polar993 said:
I'm sorry, but no matter how much he can make the car 'dance', it is of little use if he rounds a blind corner to find an almost stationary hedgecutting tractor 10 metres on and a car coming the other way. In almost every situation on UK b-roads I do not believe I would be able to pull much of a lead on my little bro in his waxo vtr, simply because in almost every instance, safe speed is determined by visibility.
Agreed. However, someone with quicker reaction times, in a lighter car with 'overspecced' brakes will, all other things being equal, be able to go round a corner faster than a heavier, etc car whilst still adhering to your visibility rule? You'd never ride a superbike on the road if you rode within the visibility rules. This is the reason I no longer ride on the road, as it's too boring if you intend to reamin safe and not put yourself in a near death (or death) experience. Bikes seem to need more actual spped to get the buzz out of them than cars do. IMHO.
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