Discussion
Pioneer said:
Hi Chipper,
I'm looking for a 991 too so PM what deal you get....
Could be tempted to go for a 4S though rather than 2S this time...
I'd prefer a 4s but I'm led to believe that the large discounts are only available on c2/c2s models that are built and ready to go and I do not fancy the drop on a near list 4s.I'm looking for a 991 too so PM what deal you get....
Could be tempted to go for a 4S though rather than 2S this time...
I was hoping to pick an early 12 plate for £70000 this year but they seem to be holding at around £75000 at the moment.I'm still a bit undecided if I should just bite the bullet and get a new vehicle or wait a few more months and hope for a drop in the new year.
it's either that or run a used new shape M5 and put up with the fuel costs....
I am in conversation with an OPC about a new 991 CS and would also be interested in hearing what deals are possible?
They have implied there is a good deal to be done on a stock car, if its all completed before the year end!
Just want to make sure the offers in the right ball park....
PM if you do not want to post details please?
They have implied there is a good deal to be done on a stock car, if its all completed before the year end!
Just want to make sure the offers in the right ball park....
PM if you do not want to post details please?
KTR said:
I would certainly haggle for a large discount. I just purchased an 11 month old 991 C2S with 1200 miles on the clock for £25k less than it was new.
Actus Reus said:
Jesus wept. 1st owner must have lost over £30k (on list) in 11 months. Will Box and Cayman prices go this way too I wonder?
This is not so very different to 997.2 depreciation 3 years ago. When I bought mine in April 2010, I paid circa £69,000 from OPC Bolton. The car was 3 months old, had done a whopping 746 miles and had one previous (private) owner. The invoice price 3 months earlier (to the first owner) was approx £84,500. The OPC probably paid no more than £65,000 to the first owner for the car, maybe less, a loss of approx £20,000 in just 3 months! So despite the depreciation on the 991 quoted above being fearsome (to say the least) it wasn't substantially different, mile for mile, than that experienced by the first owner of my car. I'm guessing a substantial proportion of these big, initial drops is due to VAT too? Edited for poor spelling and bad use of English!
Edited by Ian_UK1 on Thursday 6th December 14:04
This VAT line is a myth, maintained by some dealers to justify their offensive trade-in prices.
They buy new cars without VAT, of course. But they sell them and have to include VAT in the sale price. Whereas with used cars, they buy it from you at a higher price, but they don't have to include VAT in the price they sell for.
So by way of example, they might buy a new 991 for £60k and sell it for £70k plus VAT = £84k, making £10k in margin. Or they could buy a used car from you for £74k and sell it for £84k and make the same margin.
So when you are told they can't offer you more than £60k for it "because of the VAT", that is b
ks.
They buy new cars without VAT, of course. But they sell them and have to include VAT in the sale price. Whereas with used cars, they buy it from you at a higher price, but they don't have to include VAT in the price they sell for.
So by way of example, they might buy a new 991 for £60k and sell it for £70k plus VAT = £84k, making £10k in margin. Or they could buy a used car from you for £74k and sell it for £84k and make the same margin.
So when you are told they can't offer you more than £60k for it "because of the VAT", that is b
ks.Chippy99 said:
This VAT line is a myth, maintained by some dealers to justify their offensive trade-in prices.
They buy new cars without VAT, of course. But they sell them and have to include VAT in the sale price. Whereas with used cars, they buy it from you at a higher price, but they don't have to include VAT in the price they sell for.
So by way of example, they might buy a new 991 for £60k and sell it for £70k plus VAT = £84k, making £10k in margin. Or they could buy a used car from you for £74k and sell it for £84k and make the same margin.
So when you are told they can't offer you more than £60k for it "because of the VAT", that is bks.
I thought dealers accounted for VAT on the difference between sales price and purchase price in the second scenario. They buy new cars without VAT, of course. But they sell them and have to include VAT in the sale price. Whereas with used cars, they buy it from you at a higher price, but they don't have to include VAT in the price they sell for.
So by way of example, they might buy a new 991 for £60k and sell it for £70k plus VAT = £84k, making £10k in margin. Or they could buy a used car from you for £74k and sell it for £84k and make the same margin.
So when you are told they can't offer you more than £60k for it "because of the VAT", that is b
ks.KTR said:
I would certainly haggle for a large discount. I just purchased an 11 month old 991 C2S with 1200 miles on the clock for £25k less than it was new.
Be careful buying an early 991 kids. I had one that was a hound and I've heard of one or two others that are throwing up issues. It seems that Porsche produced the first 991s without due regard for quality control. I nearly said "rushed out" but many of them were late. Maybe it would have been better had they been later still but checked over properly.My current car is a 2013 car and in a different league of quality. Everything works as it should; nothing makes a noise that shouldn't, everything that should make a noise does.
Edited to say, I thought the GTS was a keeper David?
Well their definition of a good deal was not mine, so will leave it until next year.
The original car I was after was 6 months old with a great spec and attractive price, but that was sold and they said they could do a great deal on a stock car which sounded interesting......
They bid me £5k under what I have been offered for mine in a cash only deal and then didn't take much off the new price, so deal was a non-starter.
The original car I was after was 6 months old with a great spec and attractive price, but that was sold and they said they could do a great deal on a stock car which sounded interesting......
They bid me £5k under what I have been offered for mine in a cash only deal and then didn't take much off the new price, so deal was a non-starter.
w5pwr said:
Well their definition of a good deal was not mine, so will leave it until next year.
The original car I was after was 6 months old with a great spec and attractive price, but that was sold and they said they could do a great deal on a stock car which sounded interesting......
They bid me £5k under what I have been offered for mine in a cash only deal and then didn't take much off the new price, so deal was a non-starter.
Shop around. Maybe a bit further north.The original car I was after was 6 months old with a great spec and attractive price, but that was sold and they said they could do a great deal on a stock car which sounded interesting......
They bid me £5k under what I have been offered for mine in a cash only deal and then didn't take much off the new price, so deal was a non-starter.
Manks said:
Be careful buying an early 991 kids. I had one that was a hound and I've heard of one or two others that are throwing up issues. It seems that Porsche produced the first 991s without due regard for quality control. I nearly said "rushed out" but many of them were late. Maybe it would have been better had they been later still but checked over properly.
My current car is a 2013 car and in a different league of quality. Everything works as it should; nothing makes a noise that shouldn't, everything that should make a noise does.
Edited to say, I thought the GTS was a keeper David?
Another 2 years warranty and living a couple of miles from my friendly OPC means I don't anticipate any sleepless nights over quality issues.My current car is a 2013 car and in a different league of quality. Everything works as it should; nothing makes a noise that shouldn't, everything that should make a noise does.
Edited to say, I thought the GTS was a keeper David?
Paul, no such thing as a keeper just some cars hang around a little longer than others
KTR said:
Manks said:
Be careful buying an early 991 kids. I had one that was a hound and I've heard of one or two others that are throwing up issues. It seems that Porsche produced the first 991s without due regard for quality control. I nearly said "rushed out" but many of them were late. Maybe it would have been better had they been later still but checked over properly.
My current car is a 2013 car and in a different league of quality. Everything works as it should; nothing makes a noise that shouldn't, everything that should make a noise does.
Edited to say, I thought the GTS was a keeper David?
Another 2 years warranty and living a couple of miles from my friendly OPC means I don't anticipate any sleepless nights over quality issues.My current car is a 2013 car and in a different league of quality. Everything works as it should; nothing makes a noise that shouldn't, everything that should make a noise does.
Edited to say, I thought the GTS was a keeper David?
Paul, no such thing as a keeper just some cars hang around a little longer than others
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