Is it time to walk away?
Discussion
With all the hysteria, panic and press doom and gloom is it time to walk away from your water cooled Porsche?
It doesn't help that Chris Horton of 911 & Porsche World magazine has, for the second month running, publicly slagged off the 996/997 cars!
This is already, and it'll get worse, had an adverse effect on values. Are we going to reach the point where the cars are as cheap as chips and no longer worth aspiring to?
It doesn't help that Chris Horton of 911 & Porsche World magazine has, for the second month running, publicly slagged off the 996/997 cars!
This is already, and it'll get worse, had an adverse effect on values. Are we going to reach the point where the cars are as cheap as chips and no longer worth aspiring to?
The GT3 is a different prospect and doesn't come in fit the same vigorous slagging due to the engine differences.
The point about values (and it's just a discussion point only) is that cars are cheap and getting cheaper, more people will buy them and not be able to afford to maintain them correctly, vehicle values are coming down, servicing costs aren't. Therefore you'll have affordable but poorly maintained cars for sale that will only perpetuate the reliability concerns and bring prices down even further and round and round we go.
The point about values (and it's just a discussion point only) is that cars are cheap and getting cheaper, more people will buy them and not be able to afford to maintain them correctly, vehicle values are coming down, servicing costs aren't. Therefore you'll have affordable but poorly maintained cars for sale that will only perpetuate the reliability concerns and bring prices down even further and round and round we go.
They have been cheap as chips for some time surely!
The early ones are arguably getting to an age where the more used ones would need engine rebuilds anyway, so I believe that you need to cost in an engine rebuild with updates anyway.
All of these engines will d chunk or drop their ims eventually, it's just a question of when really. But then again, every engine ever made blows up eventually.
What I am saying I suppose is that the older they get, the less relevant the inherent flaws are.
The early ones are arguably getting to an age where the more used ones would need engine rebuilds anyway, so I believe that you need to cost in an engine rebuild with updates anyway.
All of these engines will d chunk or drop their ims eventually, it's just a question of when really. But then again, every engine ever made blows up eventually.
What I am saying I suppose is that the older they get, the less relevant the inherent flaws are.
Chrisp5782 said:
F3RNANDO said:
Nope!
Drive it like you stole it.
If it breaks....fix it.
Life is too short.
That's not my point, if it goes pop of course you'd fix it - unless the cost of repairs is far greater than the value of the vehicle? Drive it like you stole it.
If it breaks....fix it.
Life is too short.
Kia do a seven year warranty.....enjoy the peace of mind.
F3RNANDO said:
I thought your point was not having a Porsche because you fear the small chance of an expensive failure....I disagreed.
Kia do a seven year warranty.....enjoy the peace of mind.
Read my post properly, I don't fear a breakdown and that wasn't my point, the topic is about the effect on values. Kia do a seven year warranty.....enjoy the peace of mind.
All the issues were already well documented and readily available on the internet so can't see an impending disaster. 911&PW seem a lot more snide recently, really going off it as an enthusiast mag.
I reiterate the point that even with the potential for issues I think that you are getting a car with performance and practicality worth twice what they are currently valued at (try comparing stats in the back of evo for alternatives).
Will be sticking with my 996.
I reiterate the point that even with the potential for issues I think that you are getting a car with performance and practicality worth twice what they are currently valued at (try comparing stats in the back of evo for alternatives).
Will be sticking with my 996.
mollytherocker said:
They have been cheap as chips for some time surely!
The early ones are arguably getting to an age where the more used ones would need engine rebuilds anyway, so I believe that you need to cost in an engine rebuild with updates anyway.
All of these engines will d chunk or drop their ims eventually, it's just a question of when really. But then again, every engine ever made blows up eventually.
What I am saying I suppose is that the older they get, the less relevant the inherent flaws are.
Exactly the sort of catch all comments I'm talking about. The early ones are arguably getting to an age where the more used ones would need engine rebuilds anyway, so I believe that you need to cost in an engine rebuild with updates anyway.
All of these engines will d chunk or drop their ims eventually, it's just a question of when really. But then again, every engine ever made blows up eventually.
What I am saying I suppose is that the older they get, the less relevant the inherent flaws are.
Chrisp5782 said:
Read my post properly, I don't fear a breakdown and that wasn't my point, the topic is about the effect on values.
Your post seems to imply that one would aspire to a car based on monetary value rather than any driving enjoyment and that we should sell our cars in case they depreciate - I prefer to enjoy my car as a driving experience and if it depreciates I will not be surprised but neither will I be bothered.I hope your Cayman grows in value and never needs fixed.
Guys, I bought my first Porsche ( a 1972 2.4S ) in 1988. Shortly after buying it, the engine went "funny" and I fitted a replacement 2.2S engine. My 2.4S engine succumed to the well known fault at the time of timming chain tensioner failure, rather like todays 996/997. I held onto the car, and engine, and perservered and now its worth quite a bit.
Carpe Diem
Carpe Diem
metsta said:
String of pork over the years and my 996 is the best ive had yet!
As a side note said magazine sits by my bed for weeks/months and doesnt really engage me beyond flicking through it; pretty boring basically.
So whats the best pork mag??
None of them really.As a side note said magazine sits by my bed for weeks/months and doesnt really engage me beyond flicking through it; pretty boring basically.
So whats the best pork mag??
I used to love the photography in Total911 when it first appeared and I think it made the other Porsche mags raise their game in that respect, but it was snobby.
I just have a flick through them all in WHSmiths and if there is anything on 964s or GT3s in any of the mags I buy that one. I'm shallow and easily pleased, hence I only want to read about those.
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