996 MK1 GT3 to 997 GT3 - any reason not to?
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Hmm - the 996 is more "raw" than the 997 - but personally the additional comfort (if you can call it that) of the 997 GT3 makes it more practical.
Simply put - no reason not to!
Just don't put the Cup tyres on one if you want to use it for anything other than dry, sunny motoring! They don't work in the wet / cold weather we've been having for the last couple of months ....
Simply put - no reason not to!
Just don't put the Cup tyres on one if you want to use it for anything other than dry, sunny motoring! They don't work in the wet / cold weather we've been having for the last couple of months ....
I don't think the 997 is more for comfort on the road at all, PASM is totally not usable in sport for a start on B roads.
If I were you I would say keep the 996 gt3 or move to the 997.2 GT3 cars.
As for faster...... After 15 mile ring trip you may save 10 seconds if your a A grade racing driver lol.
Real life cars got the same engine and is about the same speed.
PASM not that great on track, and no real aero till the gen 2 cars.
The orange RS gen 1 cars do look great though. But then again they are gen 2 money so you really want to own one to buy one over a gen 2 car.
And watch out for people part exing gen 1 cars when big bills are due, I know a few who did that as the cars are a few years old now and might need clutch, disks etc so people off load when 6k of work needs doing, so look close at what you are buying if you do fancy a change, as it could be very expensive.
If I were you I would say keep the 996 gt3 or move to the 997.2 GT3 cars.
As for faster...... After 15 mile ring trip you may save 10 seconds if your a A grade racing driver lol.
Real life cars got the same engine and is about the same speed.
PASM not that great on track, and no real aero till the gen 2 cars.
The orange RS gen 1 cars do look great though. But then again they are gen 2 money so you really want to own one to buy one over a gen 2 car.
And watch out for people part exing gen 1 cars when big bills are due, I know a few who did that as the cars are a few years old now and might need clutch, disks etc so people off load when 6k of work needs doing, so look close at what you are buying if you do fancy a change, as it could be very expensive.
Edited by mrdemon on Monday 24th December 14:10
Edited by mrdemon on Monday 24th December 14:11
andrew symms said:
have done the same, but went for the 997.1 RS, car feels alot more planted and stable on the road than the 996.
Go for it....
Now that statement could be construed as being a just a teeny bit misleading Andrew. Your car clearly hadn't had a geo in a long time (ort if it had, whoever did it, didn't know what they were doing) it was also running on tyres that were at best six years old and at worst older. IIRC they weren't N rated or indeed the correct sizes for the car.Go for it....
It appeared to be on it's original springs. I'm not sure if you had new dampers fitted to it during your ownership, but they certainly felt past their best.
Certainly when I test drove it before it arrived at 911V it, wasn't the best shod, sharpest handling or best damped GT3 I'd ever driven. I know they sorted the tyres and geo amongst other issues, so I'd imagine it was representative of the model when they sold it.
One with fresh tyres, dampers, springs and bushings/track control arms etc, is a very different proposition to a tired one altogether.
As a former owner of both the 996 and the 997 GT3, your comments do the 996 a great injustice.
andy tims said:
As per the title really.
I might consider trading in my 996 for a newer model. Unfaithful I know, but I quite fancy a change.
I use my 996 mainly for track days & weekend blasts & I don't see that changing.
Had a 996, now have a 997.I might consider trading in my 996 for a newer model. Unfaithful I know, but I quite fancy a change.
I use my 996 mainly for track days & weekend blasts & I don't see that changing.
The 997 is a far more suitable car for the road. It almost passes for a regular 911 when you're not in the mood, but does the whole hardcore thing with aplomb for when you are.
Yes the 996 feels more raw, but I think the 997 is better car for being a bit more capable on the road.
Absolutely adore mine.
HokumPokum said:
it's amazing. Porsche must be hiring thousands of useless inept engineers... every evolution is worse than the one before..
PH warriors know better than most dun you know?
Lol, no one has said worse, but have suggested the evolution is not as raw, which is true. Whether that makes it worse or not is a matter for personal opinion. As for PH Warriors.... I see a lot of GT3 owners responding to this thread PH warriors know better than most dun you know?
Slippydiff said:
Now that statement could be construed as being a just a teeny bit misleading Andrew. Your car clearly hadn't had a geo in a long time (ort if it had, whoever did it, didn't know what they were doing) it was also running on tyres that were at best six years old and at worst older. IIRC they weren't N rated or indeed the correct sizes for the car.
It appeared to be on it's original springs. I'm not sure if you had new dampers fitted to it during your ownership, but they certainly felt past their best.
Certainly when I test drove it before it arrived at 911V it, wasn't the best shod, sharpest handling or best damped GT3 I'd ever driven. I know they sorted the tyres and geo amongst other issues, so I'd imagine it was representative of the model when they sold it.
One with fresh tyres, dampers, springs and bushings/track control arms etc, is a very different proposition to a tired one altogether.
As a former owner of both the 996 and the 997 GT3, your comments do the 996 a great injustice.
The geo was checked at the local OPC within last 2 years and was all within Porsche limits, apart from one of the rear settings, which we decided to leave as it was. Was going to take the car to centre gravity but never got it arranged.It appeared to be on it's original springs. I'm not sure if you had new dampers fitted to it during your ownership, but they certainly felt past their best.
Certainly when I test drove it before it arrived at 911V it, wasn't the best shod, sharpest handling or best damped GT3 I'd ever driven. I know they sorted the tyres and geo amongst other issues, so I'd imagine it was representative of the model when they sold it.
One with fresh tyres, dampers, springs and bushings/track control arms etc, is a very different proposition to a tired one altogether.
As a former owner of both the 996 and the 997 GT3, your comments do the 996 a great injustice.
The tyres were Pirelli Corsa's, not N rated, but on advise from others seemed to be good all round. Not sure about the age of them, i know 2 were bought new and two nearly new, again i put my trust in others!! The size of the tyres was 295 rears and 235 fronts, whcih again i was told was common upgrade over the standard units...advise from others..
I know there were bills for either springs or dampers in the service folder from the previous owner, but again no recommendations from OPC following service.
I did not spend a huge amount on the car whilst it was in my ownership, but did undertake everything recommneded.
We do have a bit of an issue down on the South Coast with finding Indy's with relevant expereince, the OPC are OK but more familair with the standard models.
Anyway having gone from a poor 996 to an excellent ( well hopefully, till slippy sees it) 997RS, i guess my orginal comments must be true.....;)
Have a good x-mas in GT3 land
andrew symms said:
The geo was checked at the local OPC within last 2 years and was all within Porsche limits, apart from one of the rear settings, which we decided to leave as it was. Was going to take the car to centre gravity but never got it arranged.
The tyres were Pirelli Corsa's, not N rated, but on advise from others seemed to be good all round. Not sure about the age of them, i know 2 were bought new and two nearly new, again i put my trust in others!! The size of the tyres was 295 rears and 235 fronts, whcih again i was told was common upgrade over the standard units...advise from others..
I know there were bills for either springs or dampers in the service folder from the previous owner, but again no recommendations from OPC following service.
I did not spend a huge amount on the car whilst it was in my ownership, but did undertake everything recommneded.
We do have a bit of an issue down on the South Coast with finding Indy's with relevant expereince, the OPC are OK but more familair with the standard models.
Anyway having gone from a poor 996 to an excellent ( well hopefully, till slippy sees it) 997RS, i guess my orginal comments must be true.....;)
Have a good x-mas in GT3 land
I'm sure your 997 is a peach (but a trip to CG, Parr, Fearnsport etc) would not go amiss all the same. You never know, you may be pleasantly surprised at the results The tyres were Pirelli Corsa's, not N rated, but on advise from others seemed to be good all round. Not sure about the age of them, i know 2 were bought new and two nearly new, again i put my trust in others!! The size of the tyres was 295 rears and 235 fronts, whcih again i was told was common upgrade over the standard units...advise from others..
I know there were bills for either springs or dampers in the service folder from the previous owner, but again no recommendations from OPC following service.
I did not spend a huge amount on the car whilst it was in my ownership, but did undertake everything recommneded.
We do have a bit of an issue down on the South Coast with finding Indy's with relevant expereince, the OPC are OK but more familair with the standard models.
Anyway having gone from a poor 996 to an excellent ( well hopefully, till slippy sees it) 997RS, i guess my orginal comments must be true.....;)
Have a good x-mas in GT3 land
Broad brush, OPCs are an utter waste of time when it comes to fettling 996 GT3s properly.
So whilst you may not have had any advisories (sic ?) on dampers (because they most likely weren't leaking) rest assured they'd be well past their best.
OPC geo ? Meh. I think I can say without fear of contradiction, they may have checked the geometry (LOL at the one rear setting being out and leaving it) but they wouldn't have checked the ride heights or corner weights . . . .
The standard springs both corrode and sag, the difference a new set makes is well nigh unbelieveable.
I think someone told me last week the Corsas in that size haven't been available for three years, when I looked at your car the first thing I checked was the age of tyres. IIRC the fronts were six or eight years old (manufacturers recommend replacement after five years . . . . )
Intrinsically it was a good car, and I know Tom and the lads at 911V put right it's shortcomings before retailing it.
Your initial comments were misleading (I'm not suggesting they were intentional, they were after all based on your personal experience) but comparing a 5-6 year old car with a 12 year old one that has been serviced by an OPC (and not a specialist) with out of date tyres and tired suspension is not representative of the model.
Now off to experience Christmas in GT3 land
Slippydiff said:
OPC geo ? Meh. I think I can say without fear of contradiction, they may have checked the geometry (LOL at the one rear setting being out and leaving it) but they wouldn't have checked the ride heights or corner weights . . . .
Dads last C2 was 'aligned' by an OPC just before he bought it. A trip to Center Gravity showed the geometry was all over the place...911p said:
Slippydiff said:
OPC geo ? Meh. I think I can say without fear of contradiction, they may have checked the geometry (LOL at the one rear setting being out and leaving it) but they wouldn't have checked the ride heights or corner weights . . . .
Dads last C2 was 'aligned' by an OPC just before he bought it. A trip to Center Gravity showed the geometry was all over the place...You and your Pop still enjoying your yellow peril (or has it been mothballed for the Winter ?)
robmug said:
Andy, you could always upgrade to a 996.2 GT3 ;-)
Personally, having owned a 996.2, I'd be tempted by a 997.1 RS. In green I think.
I would say that the 997 , especially the RS is a better more modern car if it's used on the road. A 996.2 is distinctly faster than a 996.1, 997 not much quicker bUt they are all very fast cars. Personally, having owned a 996.2, I'd be tempted by a 997.1 RS. In green I think.
997 has superior compliance across its front axle.
Good luck with finding a green one. Rocking horse poo right now. Ironic that so few bought them in the first place and now they are so sought after.
andy tims said:
As per the title really.
I might consider trading in my 996 for a newer model. Unfaithful I know, but I quite fancy a change.
I use my 996 mainly for track days & weekend blasts & I don't see that changing.
All I would say is why. What possible gain is there to be had? If you want to spend some money, spend it on coke and hookers but keep the car.I might consider trading in my 996 for a newer model. Unfaithful I know, but I quite fancy a change.
I use my 996 mainly for track days & weekend blasts & I don't see that changing.
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