1976 Porsche 964 912
Discussion
I suppose IF it's a really really decent car and you like the look of it, it might be worth taking a punt on if, including all import costs, it can be had for a four figure sum but anything more than that and AM OOT as there's much better ways to get into 911 ownership (or 912 come to that).
HISTORY OF THE PORSCHE 912E:
In the autumn of 1975, the 912E, internally designated at the factory as the Type 923, became the companion to the 911S. Primarily sold in North America, rising fuel prices and lowered U.S. speed limits helped make the 912E a practical model. Production of the 914/4 had just ended, and the water-cooled four-cylinder 924s had not yet arrived. As noted in factory advertising the 912E was powered by the 2.0 liter fuel-injected 914-derived engine "which took Porsche engineers two years to develop and refine", and shared the chassis and body styling of the 911S coupe. The Bosch L-Jetronic fuel injection system used is often referred to as the Air Flow Controlled (AFC) system later adapted for use in the 911 series.
Options included electric sunroof, limited slip, and air conditioning. With its 21 U.S. gallon fuel tank and fuel-efficient engine, the 912E's driving range may be the best of any Porsche ever made to date, 600+ miles.
By the end of production, the Zuffenhausen factory had produced 2092 912Es, delivered primarily to North America. The final 912E constructed also became the last air-cooled four-cylinder car produced by Porsche.
In the autumn of 1975, the 912E, internally designated at the factory as the Type 923, became the companion to the 911S. Primarily sold in North America, rising fuel prices and lowered U.S. speed limits helped make the 912E a practical model. Production of the 914/4 had just ended, and the water-cooled four-cylinder 924s had not yet arrived. As noted in factory advertising the 912E was powered by the 2.0 liter fuel-injected 914-derived engine "which took Porsche engineers two years to develop and refine", and shared the chassis and body styling of the 911S coupe. The Bosch L-Jetronic fuel injection system used is often referred to as the Air Flow Controlled (AFC) system later adapted for use in the 911 series.
Options included electric sunroof, limited slip, and air conditioning. With its 21 U.S. gallon fuel tank and fuel-efficient engine, the 912E's driving range may be the best of any Porsche ever made to date, 600+ miles.
By the end of production, the Zuffenhausen factory had produced 2092 912Es, delivered primarily to North America. The final 912E constructed also became the last air-cooled four-cylinder car produced by Porsche.
whiteonyx said:
HISTORY OF THE PORSCHE 912E:
In the autumn of 1975, the 912E, internally designated at the factory as the Type 923, became the companion to the 911S. Primarily sold in North America, rising fuel prices and lowered U.S. speed limits helped make the 912E a practical model. Production of the 914/4 had just ended, and the water-cooled four-cylinder 924s had not yet arrived. As noted in factory advertising the 912E was powered by the 2.0 liter fuel-injected 914-derived engine "which took Porsche engineers two years to develop and refine", and shared the chassis and body styling of the 911S coupe. The Bosch L-Jetronic fuel injection system used is often referred to as the Air Flow Controlled (AFC) system later adapted for use in the 911 series.
Options included electric sunroof, limited slip, and air conditioning. With its 21 U.S. gallon fuel tank and fuel-efficient engine, the 912E's driving range may be the best of any Porsche ever made to date, 600+ miles.
By the end of production, the Zuffenhausen factory had produced 2092 912Es, delivered primarily to North America. The final 912E constructed also became the last air-cooled four-cylinder car produced by Porsche.
The gist of that overview won't be news to many of us - it just goes to show why the 912 is an undesirable model (who these days would buy one for the enhanced economy over a 911?!).In the autumn of 1975, the 912E, internally designated at the factory as the Type 923, became the companion to the 911S. Primarily sold in North America, rising fuel prices and lowered U.S. speed limits helped make the 912E a practical model. Production of the 914/4 had just ended, and the water-cooled four-cylinder 924s had not yet arrived. As noted in factory advertising the 912E was powered by the 2.0 liter fuel-injected 914-derived engine "which took Porsche engineers two years to develop and refine", and shared the chassis and body styling of the 911S coupe. The Bosch L-Jetronic fuel injection system used is often referred to as the Air Flow Controlled (AFC) system later adapted for use in the 911 series.
Options included electric sunroof, limited slip, and air conditioning. With its 21 U.S. gallon fuel tank and fuel-efficient engine, the 912E's driving range may be the best of any Porsche ever made to date, 600+ miles.
By the end of production, the Zuffenhausen factory had produced 2092 912Es, delivered primarily to North America. The final 912E constructed also became the last air-cooled four-cylinder car produced by Porsche.
Also, from that picture the car has a 964 narrow body but the rear spoiler from a Turbo (perhaps because it was easier than fitting the electric spoiler and the associated controls) - so it looks like neither one thing or the other.
thegoose said:
Also, from that picture the car has a 964 narrow body but the rear spoiler from a Turbo (perhaps because it was easier than fitting the electric spoiler and the associated controls) - so it looks like neither one thing or the other.
the 912E was a true narrow body, the picture above has 964 rear arches so if it is what it proports to be its had new wings rear, bumpers, engine lid & side skirts amongst othersbits.My concern would be why have all the panels been changed? For a modernisation project perhaps would be the easy answer but I'd want to know much, much more about it before I went any further.
Here is a picture of a 912E I inspected:
Note the difference to the rear arch amongst many others!
LaurasOtherHalf said:
the 912E was a true narrow body, the picture above has 964 rear arches so if it is what it proports to be its had new wings rear, bumpers, engine lid & side skirts amongst othersbits.
My concern would be why have all the panels been changed? For a modernisation project perhaps would be the easy answer but I'd want to know much, much more about it before I went any further.
Here is a picture of a 912E I inspected:
Note the difference to the rear arch amongst many others!
That is a lovely thing.My concern would be why have all the panels been changed? For a modernisation project perhaps would be the easy answer but I'd want to know much, much more about it before I went any further.
Here is a picture of a 912E I inspected:
Note the difference to the rear arch amongst many others!
Dear OP, this car wouldn´t make sense if it was at the dealer on the corner, and even less so when it needs to be shipped and imported from overseas.
Found this on CCFS - the ad has been removed, but there was still the text .......I´ll bet this is the car ( there couldn´t be another one, could there?)......
PORSCHE 912E 964 CLONE, ALL STEEL, FANTASTC For Sale (1976)
CALIFORNIA CAR, ALL STEEL, NO PLASTIC, NO BONDO, NO RUST, PERFECT UNDERSIDE, SOLD NEW VASEK POLAK,PORSCHE DEALER IN CALIFORNIA, HAVE ORIGINAL PURCHASE ORDER,ALL SERVICE RECORDS, BOOKS, ETC, WORKSHOP MANUAL, REBUILT MOTOR 20K AGO, DRIVES FANTASTIC!!!, REBUILT GEARBOX, NEW RS DOOR PANELS, NEW RS CARPET, NEW DASH, NEW TIRES, PORSCHE CUPI ALLOYS, LEATHER PORSCHE 964 SEATS, ROLL BAR, TURBO SPOILER , SUNROOF, RACING MASTER CYLINDER, NEW PAINT, HEADLINER, FANTASTC , '' SHOWCAR '' LOOKS !!! , TAKE TO ANY PORSCHE SHOW, STUNNING, FABULOUS, ITS ALOT OF PORSCHE FOR THE MONEY, WELL OVER $20,000 SPENT, ONLY $16,500
It isn´t a car, it´s a trap!
Found this on CCFS - the ad has been removed, but there was still the text .......I´ll bet this is the car ( there couldn´t be another one, could there?)......
PORSCHE 912E 964 CLONE, ALL STEEL, FANTASTC For Sale (1976)
CALIFORNIA CAR, ALL STEEL, NO PLASTIC, NO BONDO, NO RUST, PERFECT UNDERSIDE, SOLD NEW VASEK POLAK,PORSCHE DEALER IN CALIFORNIA, HAVE ORIGINAL PURCHASE ORDER,ALL SERVICE RECORDS, BOOKS, ETC, WORKSHOP MANUAL, REBUILT MOTOR 20K AGO, DRIVES FANTASTIC!!!, REBUILT GEARBOX, NEW RS DOOR PANELS, NEW RS CARPET, NEW DASH, NEW TIRES, PORSCHE CUPI ALLOYS, LEATHER PORSCHE 964 SEATS, ROLL BAR, TURBO SPOILER , SUNROOF, RACING MASTER CYLINDER, NEW PAINT, HEADLINER, FANTASTC , '' SHOWCAR '' LOOKS !!! , TAKE TO ANY PORSCHE SHOW, STUNNING, FABULOUS, ITS ALOT OF PORSCHE FOR THE MONEY, WELL OVER $20,000 SPENT, ONLY $16,500
It isn´t a car, it´s a trap!
Wozy68 said:
Double blimey. Did they even make an 'E' version of that car in the mid seventies.
IMO unless its very very very cheap. I'd be heading for the hills.
Yes, briefly reintroduced to the North American market to fill the gap left by the outgoing 914, using the same 2.0l i4 fuel injected engine.IMO unless its very very very cheap. I'd be heading for the hills.
Impact bumper 912s are quit erare.
Geneve said:
mollytherocker said:
That is a lovely thing.
Agree - because it's an immaculate original, which is what 99% of people find desirable, whether it's a 912,964 or whatever.The 912/964 hybrid above is neither 'fish nor fowl'. Best avoided - unless the OP is one of the 1%
At the time, it wasn't that lovely & it wasn't an immaculate original. It was fitted with a 3.0 flat 6 that leaked like a sieve though the body was quite superb.
Car was originally primrose yellow with a tan interior but for the interests of the OP the body was period correct & in quite superb condition, a legacy of the many years spent in the Californian sun.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
the 912E was a true narrow body, the picture above has 964 rear arches so if it is what it proports to be its had new wings rear, bumpers, engine lid & side skirts amongst othersbits.
My concern would be why have all the panels been changed? For a modernisation project perhaps would be the easy answer but I'd want to know much, much more about it before I went any further.
Here is a picture of a 912E I inspected:
Note the difference to the rear arch amongst many others!
I remember that one Craig. Bloody lovely wasn't it! (Well lovely looking as you've explained)My concern would be why have all the panels been changed? For a modernisation project perhaps would be the easy answer but I'd want to know much, much more about it before I went any further.
Here is a picture of a 912E I inspected:
Note the difference to the rear arch amongst many others!
As already said whiteonyx unless that car is mint and very cheap don't do it. It may look like a 964 but believe me it will drive nothing like one.
You could be forgiven for thinking "Bloody Porsche forum guys with their proper models and bottomless pits of cash. It's easy for them to say buy a proper car", but it's not that at all it's just that cars like the one your looking at don't offer anything useful really apart from looking like a 964 if you're desperate for a 964 but can't stretch to one.
You'd get an ok 964 (not a C2 manual but a tippy or a C4) for £12k-£15k, so even if that car above is £8k, I'd really think about saving for longer.
You'll have the old fashioned drive of the 912 underneath, which will feel OLD. Now old is no bad thing, that's why people buy classics, but buy a classic that looks like a classic not a car that looks reasonably modern but drives like a classic.
I'm speaking from experience too. Below is my first 911. It looked like my dream car the 964 Turbo, but it was based on a 1975 911. Probably the worst 911 series ever 1975-1977 with chocolate engines etc (not too dissimilar to 996s then
).Mine started off as a green narrow bodied car. It was then converted into a white 930 rep, then a black 964 Turbo.
Loads of genuine parts too including the 965 cup 1's etc but it was horrible.
I still loved it as I was 25 and it was my first 911 but the engine was crap with just 150bhp. I stuck a 3.2 carrera motor in there which improved things but it was never going to be a proper 964 hence I sold it.
Honestly whiteonyx DON'T DO IT!
ETA - Apologies lads for defaming the the forum with that monstrosity. All I'll say is "You live and learn, you live and learn".
If anyone wants to pm me I can send out some vouchers for eye-bleach and retina scrapers.
Edited by marky911 on Wednesday 23 January 19:22
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