996 C4S vs Turbo Running Costs
996 C4S vs Turbo Running Costs
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scoobysnacks2

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59 posts

206 months

Tuesday 5th February 2013
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I'm considering getting a 996 C4S but am a bit concerned about the cost of all those Turbo shared components vs a standard 996 C2 or even a 997 C2 (another consideration). I've read a few times about how expensive it can be to maintain a Turbo, but given the many shared parts on the C4S (except the engine!) would it be much less to look after one of those?

I believe the suspension, brakes and tyres are the same and all more expensive than on a regular C2, but not so sure about other parts like the exhaust, clutch (both shared with C2?) and radiators (same as Turbo?)etc. I understand routine servicing is a bit more on the Turbo due to the different engine, but the routine service costs don't seem too bad (relatively), so it's the other components which wear out and need replacing or fixing like those above that seem to generate the most costs and the most concern for me.

Any thoughts appreciated.


monthefish

20,467 posts

261 months

Tuesday 5th February 2013
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I think there was a thread on this very subject quite recently.

A C4S owner posted his running costs over a year or two and I concluded that my turbo wasn't much different.

davek_964

11,302 posts

205 months

Tuesday 5th February 2013
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I wouldn't expect there to be much difference either. And I think the running costs for the turbo are very reasonable for what you get from the car.

Rockster

1,515 posts

190 months

Tuesday 5th February 2013
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scoobysnacks2 said:
I'm considering getting a 996 C4S but am a bit concerned about the cost of all those Turbo shared components vs a standard 996 C2 or even a 997 C2 (another consideration). I've read a few times about how expensive it can be to maintain a Turbo, but given the many shared parts on the C4S (except the engine!) would it be much less to look after one of those?

I believe the suspension, brakes and tyres are the same and all more expensive than on a regular C2, but not so sure about other parts like the exhaust, clutch (both shared with C2?) and radiators (same as Turbo?)etc. I understand routine servicing is a bit more on the Turbo due to the different engine, but the routine service costs don't seem too bad (relatively), so it's the other components which wear out and need replacing or fixing like those above that seem to generate the most costs and the most concern for me.

Any thoughts appreciated.
All other things being equal I'd have to offer an intelligent guess the running costs would be too close to call. In fact my 996 Turbo costs about as much to run as my Boxster save for gas and tires. The Boxster gets an easy 10% better fuel economy and while with both cars I can get nearly the same miles out of a set of tires the Turbo tires are more expensive. Not oodles more expensive, but enough.

If something goes amiss, like one of the turbos gets sick -- not common just an example -- course the running (repair) costs get all out whack.

OTOH, you will not have to do an IMSB upgrade on the Turbo...

dank

1,160 posts

282 months

Tuesday 5th February 2013
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C4S won't cost much less than the Turbo, and Turbo is much much quicker, won't have any IMS / RMS issues either!

smile

scoobysnacks2

Original Poster:

59 posts

206 months

Tuesday 5th February 2013
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Hmmmm, now the turbo's starting to appeal a bit more given what's been said so far.... Just need an extra 5k or so to buy one though and then I'm in C2S territory which is another can of worms altogether.

mez3

356 posts

249 months

Tuesday 5th February 2013
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997 c2s price range yes.

But wouldn't you rather have a 911 turbo? smokin

rog007

5,830 posts

254 months

Tuesday 5th February 2013
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Just booked mine in to local OPC for major service and plugs; £1500.

Hungrymc

7,406 posts

167 months

Tuesday 5th February 2013
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I reckon running costs must be similar (turbo has to be a touch harder on consumables). you need to budget more than 5k more to buy a good turbo (I think you have to go to high 20s to get a very nice car) and a longer search if you want a manual.

I faced the same dilemma, bought a C4S (2 1/2 years back) its been a joy to own and delivers everything I want and has been cheaper to run than previous M3s (others on here have a different experience).... But the turbo is wonderful car as well. Whichever way you go, you'll have great fun.

Edited by Hungrymc on Tuesday 5th February 18:46

eedjit

26,140 posts

244 months

Tuesday 5th February 2013
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mez3 said:
997 c2s price range yes.

But wouldn't you rather have a 911 turbo? smokin
Personally, I think the 997 C2S is a better car to drive. Slower, but so much nicer to interact with.

scoobysnacks2

Original Poster:

59 posts

206 months

Tuesday 5th February 2013
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Yes, I guess about 8k more for a Turbo of similar age, mileage and condition. Not sure about the 997 C2S vs 996 Turbo but I see advantages and disadvantages for both cars. Perhaps my biggest issue with the 996 C4S is the close pricing of the 997 C2...

Edited by scoobysnacks2 on Tuesday 5th February 19:16

Mario149

7,789 posts

208 months

Tuesday 5th February 2013
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scoobysnacks2 said:
Perhaps my biggest issue with the 996 C4S is the close pricing of the 997 C2...

Edited by scoobysnacks2 on Tuesday 5th February 19:16
That one's simple to answer smile Exterior looks more important than interior looks for you? 6C4S. Interior looks more important? 7C2. Power will be the same as it will be an early C2 I would have thought.


eedjit

26,140 posts

244 months

Tuesday 5th February 2013
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Mario149 said:
scoobysnacks2 said:
Perhaps my biggest issue with the 996 C4S is the close pricing of the 997 C2...

Edited by scoobysnacks2 on Tuesday 5th February 19:16
That one's simple to answer smile Exterior looks more important than interior looks for you? 6C4S. Interior looks more important? 7C2. Power will be the same as it will be an early C2 I would have thought.
It's not as simple as that though. The 997 drives far better, with the added benefit that it's a few ears newer. I'm a big fan of the C4S, but having spent considerable time driving bot, the newer car is just better.

scoobysnacks2

Original Poster:

59 posts

206 months

Tuesday 5th February 2013
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Mario149 said:
That one's simple to answer smile Exterior looks more important than interior looks for you? 6C4S. Interior looks more important? 7C2. Power will be the same as it will be an early C2 I would have thought.
Exterior looks more important to me, but there are a few other differences as well...

EvoSlayer

1,952 posts

215 months

Tuesday 5th February 2013
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rog007 said:
Just booked mine in to local OPC for major service and plugs; £1500.
I thought major service inculded plugs for £750 or are you throwing on a set of tyres too?

http://www.porschefixedpriceservice.co.uk/911-serv...

Mario149

7,789 posts

208 months

Tuesday 5th February 2013
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eedjit said:
It's not as simple as that though. The 997 drives far better, with the added benefit that it's a few ears newer and has more to depreciate. I'm a big fan of the C4S, but having spent considerable time driving bot, the newer car is just better.
Fixed that for you wink

Actually, my previous post was supposed to be a little tongue in cheek, should probably have included an extra smiley somewhere! On a serious note, if it was me, it'd be a tricky choice. It's difficult to be objective as I had a 996 C4S a few years ago - back then the 997 was still current and quite a few more notes than a 6C4S so the newer car wasn't an option. I'm sure they do drive/handle a bit better (I have to say I've never driven one), but if you're that into your driving, a few hundred notes at Centre Gravity or similar to tweak the handling to exactly what you'd like would probably sort it to what you wanted. A bit more extreme would be to disconnect the 4wd (I investigated it way back, looked like it was feasible).

Regarding exterior looks, I think the 996 C4S is the best looking of all the 996s and 7s (excluding the GT2s and 3s). Fried egg lights may not be to every one's taste, but between that and the rear reflector, it's definitely a more special combo than its sisters and much rarer than the 7C2 which is ubiquitous (at least in London and the SE). And frankly, IMO, the 997 interior isn't all that. I had a 987 boxster (so basically same interior AIUI) as a courtesy car and it def looked cheap in places. It def looks newer and shinier, but on its own that wouldn't be enough for me as I think its now ageing rapidly - I'll caveat this with the fact that I've never owned a car built after 2003 hehe

I think the only reason I'd get out of a 6C4S (or choose one over a 7C2) today for any 997 for similar-ish money would be for the power hike which the early 7C2 cars just don't give

mez3

356 posts

249 months

Tuesday 5th February 2013
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Mario149 said:
eedjit said:
It's not as simple as that though. The 997 drives far better, with the added benefit that it's a few ears newer and has more to depreciate. I'm a big fan of the C4S, but having spent considerable time driving bot, the newer car is just better.
Fixed that for you wink

Actually, my previous post was supposed to be a little tongue in cheek, should probably have included an extra smiley somewhere! On a serious note, if it was me, it'd be a tricky choice. It's difficult to be objective as I had a 996 C4S a few years ago - back then the 997 was still current and quite a few more notes than a 6C4S so the newer car wasn't an option. I'm sure they do drive/handle a bit better (I have to say I've never driven one), but if you're that into your driving, a few hundred notes at Centre Gravity or similar to tweak the handling to exactly what you'd like would probably sort it to what you wanted. A bit more extreme would be to disconnect the 4wd (I investigated it way back, looked like it was feasible).

Regarding exterior looks, I think the 996 C4S is the best looking of all the 996s and 7s (excluding the GT2s and 3s). Fried egg lights may not be to every one's taste, but between that and the rear reflector, it's definitely a more special combo than its sisters and much rarer than the 7C2 which is ubiquitous (at least in London and the SE). And frankly, IMO, the 997 interior isn't all that. I had a 987 boxster (so basically same interior AIUI) as a courtesy car and it def looked cheap in places. It def looks newer and shinier, but on its own that wouldn't be enough for me as I think its now ageing rapidly - I'll caveat this with the fact that I've never owned a car built after 2003 hehe

I think the only reason I'd get out of a 6C4S (or choose one over a 7C2) today for any 997 for similar-ish money would be for the power hike which the early 7C2 cars just don't give
Nice post yes

scoobysnacks2

Original Poster:

59 posts

206 months

Tuesday 5th February 2013
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Yes, there are things about the 996 C4S over the 997 C2 that make it a bit more 'special' despite some older tech.

rog007

5,830 posts

254 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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EvoSlayer said:
rog007 said:
Just booked mine in to local OPC for major service and plugs; £1500.
I thought major service inculded plugs for £750 or are you throwing on a set of tyres too?

http://www.porschefixedpriceservice.co.uk/911-serv...
Good point! No tyres, but will include brake fluid change. Maybe I misheard the nice lady; I'll call again today to confirm.

mr pg

2,067 posts

235 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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rog007 said:
Good point! No tyres, but will include brake fluid change. Maybe I misheard the nice lady; I'll call again today to confirm.
Hatfield are quoting £750, so that appears a very expensive brake fluid change!