New GT3 Rumour re manual option
New GT3 Rumour re manual option
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Schnellmann

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1,893 posts

234 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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Was reading Sportauto yesterday (top performance car mag in Germany). They reckoned that the new GT3 would be dual-clutch only (no surprise) but that a manual option would be available on the later RS version. Anyone else heard that rumour?


marky911

4,433 posts

249 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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Yep someone mentioned yesterday when the testing video clip was posted.

It would seem like a sensible thing to do, although Porsche don't necessarily do "sensible". They do "most profitable". smile

marky911

4,433 posts

249 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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Ooops! Double post.

[AJ]

3,079 posts

228 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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The more I keep hearing this, the more the V12V is luring me away!

I think it would be a crying shame for Porsche to make the GT3 PDK only. I don't buy the "it's progress, deal with it" argument. The more the driver is involved in the driving process the more rewarding the experience is, simple.

For some of us it's not just about pure pace, but the driving experience. Might as well by a Datsun! wink

wtdoom

3,742 posts

238 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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This new gen Gt3 is a digital car . Steering , diff , suspension , torque vectoring etc etc .
This makes me think that a digital gearbox is the best solution .

I doubt I'll get one .

jackal

11,251 posts

312 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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Does anyone agree with me in so much as the 991 GT3 SHOULD be pdk ?

You can't stop the march of time. The 911 can't risk being left behind by the GTr's and 458's of this world. As a flagship halo model it should be equipped with everything possible which can render it cutting edge and a performance industry benchmark. If you want an analogue experience then go and pick up a 96Gt3.

DMC2

2,003 posts

241 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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[AJ] said:
The more I keep hearing this, the more the V12V is luring me away!

I think it would be a crying shame for Porsche to make the GT3 PDK only. I don't buy the "it's progress, deal with it" argument. The more the driver is involved in the driving process the more rewarding the experience is, simple.

For some of us it's not just about pure pace, but the driving experience. Might as well by a Datsun! wink
Drive a V12V before you come to that conclusion (if you haven't already). I was all set to buy one until my test drive, I thought it was cr@p.

DMC2

2,003 posts

241 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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jackal said:
Does anyone agree with me in so much as the 991 GT3 SHOULD be pdk ?

You can't stop the march of time. The 911 can't risk being left behind by the GTr's and 458's of this world. As a flagship halo model it should be equipped with everything possible which can render it cutting edge and a performance industry benchmark. If you want an analogue experience then go and pick up a 96Gt3.
I don't mind the fact it is PDK. It is the electrical crap that comes with it.

GTRs and 458s are boring to drive. We don't need faster cars, we need more involving and lighter cars.

Mermaid

21,492 posts

201 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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wtdoom said:
This new gen Gt3 is a digital car . Steering , diff , suspension , torque vectoring etc etc .
This makes me think that a digital gearbox is the best solution .
May well widen the appeal of the car.

Dblue

3,288 posts

230 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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Mermaid said:
wtdoom said:
This new gen Gt3 is a digital car . Steering , diff , suspension , torque vectoring etc etc .
This makes me think that a digital gearbox is the best solution .
May well widen the appeal of the car.
Perhaps, but I don't think they're trying to sell more GT3s, they'll remain a pretty limited edition in the overall scheme.

I'm in 2 minds about PDK. I get the part about manuals being involving and all that but i can't say in all honesty that I particularly find a modern Ferrari or a GTR boring in any way.

I'm sure the new GT3 will be as brilliant as they always are.

jackal

11,251 posts

312 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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anonymous said:
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Maybe they should chuck all the tech they can into the GT3 and Gt2 but move the RS into a different direction, heavily differentiate it from the GT3 and GT2 .... keep it manual, lightweight, no satnav, more analogue, less nannies (oh wait, just like a real RS of yesteryear then !). It would be a car that would possibly be slower on lap times from the regular GT3 and GT2 so that would be a bit odd but at least it will satisfy the enthusiasts. I think this is thread that comes up quite a bit. I started something myself a few years back bemoaning the spec of the 3.8 RS and Steve R started a similar thread recently about a road legal cup car. Maybe its time that Porsche really do create this new purists RS and keep it totally different from the other GT cars ? They shoudl chuck a sequential in it whilst they're at it, throw out the funky engine mounts and make the front end bob once again and restore some of its rear-engineess. wink

cayman-black

13,265 posts

246 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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DMC2 said:
Drive a V12V before you come to that conclusion (if you haven't already). I was all set to buy one until my test drive, I thought it was cr@p.
DMC2 What was the problem with the V12V ? Everyone seems to love them. Have not driven one yet but have been watching them closely. TIA.

jackal

11,251 posts

312 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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anonymous said:
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sure, thats just branding though isn't it ... the car should be made IMO, they could call is the 'tracksport' or 'clubsport' like you say

Ian_UK1

1,515 posts

224 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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wtdoom said:
This new gen Gt3 is a digital car . Steering , diff , suspension , torque vectoring etc etc .
This makes me think that a digital gearbox is the best solution .

I doubt I'll get one .
Mermaid said:
May well widen the appeal of the car.
I'm sure you're right, but unfortunately it just shows how brainwashed the market has become. For the average punter, digital=new, good; analogue=grandad's day, bad. This doesn't just apply to cars either.

Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater...





Xps911

412 posts

177 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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wtdoom said:
This new gen Gt3 is a digital car . Steering , diff , suspension , torque vectoring etc etc .
This makes me think that a digital gearbox is the best solution .

I doubt I'll get one .
may as well get a gtr..

Mermaid

21,492 posts

201 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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Ian_UK1 said:
I'm sure you're right, but unfortunately it just shows how brainwashed the market has become. For the average punter, digital=new, good; analogue=grandad's day, bad. This doesn't just apply to cars either.

Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater...
i suspect so many GT3 track warriors (not the PH driving Gods) will realise that PDK will improve their driving skills - especially in these immensely powerful cars.

Harris_I

3,359 posts

289 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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Mermaid said:
i suspect so many GT3 track warriors (not the PH driving Gods) will realise that PDK will improve their driving skills - especially in these immensely powerful cars.
It may improve their speed but it won't improve their skills.

Kidhaa

398 posts

237 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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New RS could be an epic car, or a just a fast cloned gtr...... who knows???
I'll make my mind up after the experience at Silverstone in the very near future smile

Mermaid

21,492 posts

201 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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anonymous said:
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For the average driver, this is a positive. We will all have witnessed missed gears,making the car unstable, one hand on the steering wheel when two would be better etc etc. Agreed it takes away that sweet spot of balancing the gear change/throttle/turn in - so wonderful if you get it right.

SFO

5,190 posts

213 months

Wednesday 6th February 2013
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PDK will encourage those without the driving skill and/or experience to go too fast ... with unpleasant results