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I know this debate will rage on forever but excellent video here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P498-e0I9c&fea...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-P498-e0I9c&fea...
Man everyone keeps banging on about the GTR. I understand it's a great bit of kit but IIRC when the Toyota Supra came out I saw many similar articles stating that it could beat a 911 around a track for less money blah blah.
Many years later and yes I still see Supras on occasion and think yep, that's a powerful and very capable Japanese motor (with a big drainpipe exhaust, blacked out windows and gangster wannabe inside usually) however I would much rather have any P car.
I actually think my old BBR modified GT4 turbo was prolly quicker than my 996 but I don't miss that either!
Many years later and yes I still see Supras on occasion and think yep, that's a powerful and very capable Japanese motor (with a big drainpipe exhaust, blacked out windows and gangster wannabe inside usually) however I would much rather have any P car.
I actually think my old BBR modified GT4 turbo was prolly quicker than my 996 but I don't miss that either!
These type of cars come and go. The Mitsubishi Evo is another car like the Nissan that has come in and out of favour. The Porsche 911 has been around since 1963 and still easily identifiable as a Porsche and still highly desirable.
I love the Evos and GTR to bits and have spent many a day in the Nissan GTR. Brilliant piece of kit and absolutely awesome in the wet, and if I could afford it, I would definitely have one in the garage (first gen one that is). Latest gen is now £80k, but it still has a PS3 interior, rolled leather on the seats and looks that only it mother would love. The servicing and running cost are also quite high even when compared to the Porsche Turbo S. Porsche quality, fit and finish is in a different league IMHO. The handling and feel is also worlds apart even in the Turbo S. On the track the Porsche Gen.II RS looks more nimble, the GTR is like a 1.7t sledge hammer - fun but we spent most of our time sliding around in the cabin and on the corners!
The main problem is the car looked like this as a 1st generation:
No style, no heritage and definitely not a classic I would buy. IMHO the 997s of today will still be desirable in 30 years+ time especially the 3.8 RS/4.0 RS/GT2 RS - assuming petrol is still available of course! Not so sure about this last generation GTR making the cut (or even lasting long enough to do so):
I love the Evos and GTR to bits and have spent many a day in the Nissan GTR. Brilliant piece of kit and absolutely awesome in the wet, and if I could afford it, I would definitely have one in the garage (first gen one that is). Latest gen is now £80k, but it still has a PS3 interior, rolled leather on the seats and looks that only it mother would love. The servicing and running cost are also quite high even when compared to the Porsche Turbo S. Porsche quality, fit and finish is in a different league IMHO. The handling and feel is also worlds apart even in the Turbo S. On the track the Porsche Gen.II RS looks more nimble, the GTR is like a 1.7t sledge hammer - fun but we spent most of our time sliding around in the cabin and on the corners!
The main problem is the car looked like this as a 1st generation:
No style, no heritage and definitely not a classic I would buy. IMHO the 997s of today will still be desirable in 30 years+ time especially the 3.8 RS/4.0 RS/GT2 RS - assuming petrol is still available of course! Not so sure about this last generation GTR making the cut (or even lasting long enough to do so):
pmr01 said:
i suspect there may be a number of people who would disagree with the no heritage statement...maybe not as much as a Porsche but certainly more than most.
Yes, probably being a bit harsh but racing in Japan isn't quite the same as racing in the Rally Monte Carlo (+ lots of other rallys!), Targa Florio, Daytona, Sebring, Le Mans (early years), Daytona to name but a few. I counted in excess of 175+ victories over a huge range of championships - obviously not all down to a 911 
Still think the the latest Nissan GTR is an amazing bit of engineering that I really enjoyed driving. I went for the Porsche because, for me, it offered a more rounded set of abilities, looks and quality. Also the other half would drive it and the children were relatively comfortable in the back! I managed to resist the Pork for twelve years, but I'm afraid the packaging is just too good and too exploitable - I have found the car that I have hated, is the car that I should have had in the beginning
ks would have shut up.I thought Amy McDonald put the GTR in its place quite eloquently on Sunday's T.G.
To me, however competent they might be, they're the natural successor to the Impreza/Evo brigade who have made a bit of dosh.
This kind of sums it up - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHbmn-4Mb6w
Launch Control in a residential area and lots of expletives
To me, however competent they might be, they're the natural successor to the Impreza/Evo brigade who have made a bit of dosh.
This kind of sums it up - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHbmn-4Mb6w
Launch Control in a residential area and lots of expletives
tjlees said:
These type of cars come and go. The Mitsubishi Evo is another car like the Nissan that has come in and out of favour. The Porsche 911 has been around since 1963 and still easily identifiable as a Porsche and still highly desirable.
I love the Evos and GTR to bits and have spent many a day in the Nissan GTR. Brilliant piece of kit and absolutely awesome in the wet, and if I could afford it, I would definitely have one in the garage (first gen one that is). Latest gen is now £80k, but it still has a PS3 interior, rolled leather on the seats and looks that only it mother would love. The servicing and running cost are also quite high even when compared to the Porsche Turbo S. Porsche quality, fit and finish is in a different league IMHO. The handling and feel is also worlds apart even in the Turbo S. On the track the Porsche Gen.II RS looks more nimble, the GTR is like a 1.7t sledge hammer - fun but we spent most of our time sliding around in the cabin and on the corners!
The main problem is the car looked like this as a 1st generation:
No style, no heritage and definitely not a classic I would buy. IMHO the 997s of today will still be desirable in 30 years+ time especially the 3.8 RS/4.0 RS/GT2 RS - assuming petrol is still available of course! Not so sure about this last generation GTR making the cut (or even lasting long enough to do so):
I can't help feeling your rather undermining your point re the GTR. As you've rather helpfully pointed out it has plenty of heritage by any standards. There have been successive generations over several decades that were all landmark cars for their age and in some cases absolute legends.I love the Evos and GTR to bits and have spent many a day in the Nissan GTR. Brilliant piece of kit and absolutely awesome in the wet, and if I could afford it, I would definitely have one in the garage (first gen one that is). Latest gen is now £80k, but it still has a PS3 interior, rolled leather on the seats and looks that only it mother would love. The servicing and running cost are also quite high even when compared to the Porsche Turbo S. Porsche quality, fit and finish is in a different league IMHO. The handling and feel is also worlds apart even in the Turbo S. On the track the Porsche Gen.II RS looks more nimble, the GTR is like a 1.7t sledge hammer - fun but we spent most of our time sliding around in the cabin and on the corners!
The main problem is the car looked like this as a 1st generation:
No style, no heritage and definitely not a classic I would buy. IMHO the 997s of today will still be desirable in 30 years+ time especially the 3.8 RS/4.0 RS/GT2 RS - assuming petrol is still available of course! Not so sure about this last generation GTR making the cut (or even lasting long enough to do so):
The R32 GTR in particular was created to go racing and did it so effectively that they had to ban it. I appreciate that aesthetics are personal but the Calsonic R32 racer was just about the sexiest production racer (together with the 2.8RSR and 3.0CSL Batmobile IMHO ) ever made.
Have a look at this
http://www.evo.co.uk/videos/planetevovideos/288019...
The R35 is a staggering vehicle that has set new standards in many ways and forced Porsche to up their game. Yes a gen 2 Turbo S is at least as quick in a straight line but it's slower by some way round the Nurburgring then the latest GTR. And it costs £45000 more before adding the obligatory options.
I have owned both and I would honestly say that build quality is on a par. Certainly no rattles or breakages in my car. Its also proving to be absolutely bullet proof mechanically with even highly tuned cars not breaking.Compare that to IMS and RMS failures in modern Porsches.
No heritage? Really? 50 wins from 50 races in grp a touring, 3 bathurst wins on the bounce, factory r32s beating DTM cars, Daytona 24 wins, etc, etc, hardly a lack of heritage. Personally i dont like (or get) the new one or the r34, r33 was great to drive but uninspiring, i loved my r32 and personally i love older skylines and i (again personally) love the look of the older shape cars.
Despite all that id not trade my 911 in for one!
Despite all that id not trade my 911 in for one!
keep it lit said:
Be fair though Ade, you were driving. 
Dblue said:
keep it lit said:
Be fair though Ade, you were driving. keep it lit said:
Dblue said:
keep it lit said:
Be fair though Ade, you were driving. 
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