RWB 993, 964 review?

[half-9]

Hi,

Has anyone here any experience of the RWB kits for the 993 and 964?

Are they any good? If you hypothetically had a choice of slapping the kit on one of these, which would be the better base car? How much wider is the 964 kit v a stock 964 turbo?

I like the style of the things, can't see any performance advantage yet! But they do race them in Japan?

Thanks
H

[marky911]

Hi half-9,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puCBOiOhWT0

So yes they race them. They can be anything you like though. The first UK car was a 993 C2 tiptronic! Certainly wouldn't be my choice although it looked great.

I'd want a flame-spitting 964T. I really like the inspiration behind them. There was a good feature about Nakai-san (Mr Rauh-Welt) in one of the Porsche mags. He prefers to work through the night in his little backstreet workshop. Very focussed and driven.

I think they suit the US and Japan more than the UK with its more restrained view on car styling but I still like them and by all accounts the workmanship is very, very good.

I'd want mine built in Japan though so it was authentic, but I'm a nerd like that.

PS. They are all massively wider than any factory 964 or 993 and some border on cartoon-y but the good thing is they are whatever the customer wants them to be. You'd need 500bhp to pull it off though.

[half-9]

Thanks, agree completely, has anyone here driven one? The trouble I have is that the kit requires suspension mods, on any other car this wouldn't pose an issue, but I remember my (long departed) 964 C4 handled beautifully so presumably any aftermarket attempt to better the handling would be futile???

Plus how would you get 500bhp out of a 964T?

Cheers
H

[marky911]

I doubt many people have driven one apart from customers and press people.

Vogue auto design are the official UK agent as I'm sure you know. Maybe worth giving them a call.
£5k can get you to 450bhp in a 964T. 500bhp is do-able but more expensive obviously. 380 can be had for peanuts but the standard fuelling is on the limit at the top-end.

I doubt they handle as well as a factory car, but I could be wrong and they look ok in that vid. I think if they start with a wide-bodied car they just fit massively dished rims. Not sure about what they do when starting with a narrow-bodied car?

Edited by marky911 on Saturday 23 February 11:00

[dtmpower]

I had the pleasure of a visit to RWB in 2011. Before most of the hype started in the UK.

It was amazing to see traditional craftsman in a back street garage. I do wonder if the guys working there even realise the is RWB fever outside Japan.

Here was a quick video I took: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FKeZC2rdiY

[LeighB]

dtmpower said:

I had the pleasure of a visit to RWB in 2011. Before most of the hype started in the UK.

It was amazing to see traditional craftsman in a back street garage. I do wonder if the guys working there even realise the is RWB fever outside Japan.

Here was a quick video I took: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FKeZC2rdiY

I like them but as Marky says, you need some horsepowers to match the looks.

Be interested to see what came of the silver 996 in the workshop in the clip

[stup]

marky911 said:

I doubt many people have driven one apart from customers and press people.

Vogue auto design are the official UK agent as I'm sure you know. Maybe worth giving them a call.
£5k can get you to 450bhp in a 964T. 500bhp is do-able but more expensive obviously. 380 can be had for peanuts but the standard fuelling is on the limit at the top-end.

I doubt they handle as well as a factory car, but I could be wrong and they look ok in that vid. I think if they start with a wide-bodied car they just fit massively dished rims. Not sure about what they do when starting with a narrow-bodied car?

Edited by marky911 on Saturday 23 February 11:00

Standard fuelling is no where near its limits at 380 hp..
Nearer 480hp is nearing the normal cis injection limit and i have achieved this with 930's/964 t's with bolt on mods and some other work

In fact although more in depth to explain excess of 550 hp has been achieved using cis injection using simple but effective methods.. I have yet to replicate this but it can be done with the appropriate engine build

Edited by stup on Saturday 23 February 17:08

[marky911]

Hi Stu,
I was thinking of you as I wrote that reply and did actually mention you but I know you don' t like to mention power figures on public forums so I edited it out before posting.

When I say 380 on standard fuelling. I mean exactly that - Bolting on the parts (SC cams, 1 bar spring and de-cat) and checking it's safe on a rolling road.
As you know my car made 381bhp but was just beginning to lean off after 5500rpm. If I'd kept it it would have eventually made it's way up to see you but I had a couple of things before that on the to-do list. Car is now sold and missed.

I know your car with very similar mods makes a whole 70hp more (450bhp) thanks to your ingenius set-up and fuelling mods. That's why I mention a ballpark figure of £5k to get to 450bhp - £2k for parts - cams (albeit used), 1 bar spring and de-cat, then a few £k for your hardware (wide-band oxygen sensor, metering head work) and the many hours of recording data and adjustments.

I hope that clears up what I meant and I hope business is booming. All the best.

Edited by marky911 on Saturday 23 February 16:10

[half-9]

Is that 480bhp on a 3.3 964T?

[stup]

All good Mark thanks, hope all good your end also ;-)
At around 450+ bhp the standard k27 turbo is starting run out of puff. Ideally a better turbocharger and yes 480bhp is achievable

Edited by stup on Saturday 23 February 17:06

Edited by stup on Saturday 23 February 17:14

[half-9]

Has anyone ever taken a 964 Carrera 4 and either turbo'd it or supercharged it or even compound charged it?

Would it be possible to do that? Has it been done already? What are the upper limits of the Carrera 4's transmission?

Thanks!
H

[Slippydiff]

marky911 said:

I doubt many people have driven one apart from customers and press people.

Vogue auto design are the official UK agent as I'm sure you know. Maybe worth giving them a call.
£5k can get you to 450bhp in a 964T. 500bhp is do-able but more expensive obviously. 380 can be had for peanuts but the standard fuelling is on the limit at the top-end.

I doubt they handle as well as a factory car, but I could be wrong and they look ok in that vid. I think if they start with a wide-bodied car they just fit massively dished rims. Not sure about what they do when starting with a narrow-bodied car?

Evening Mark. VAD are no longer the UK agents for RWB. They had some issues with a kit that was fitted by RWB in the UK and aren't intending having any further kits fitted.

My favorite :

[mr pg]

half-9 said:

Has anyone ever taken a 964 Carrera 4 and either turbo'd it or supercharged it or even compound charged it?

Would it be possible to do that? Has it been done already? What are the upper limits of the Carrera 4's transmission?

Thanks!
H

You could try discussing it with RPM:

http://www.rpmtechnik.co.uk/upgrades/engine/

[Burnham]

See thats lovely, not tooo over the top. How hard would it be to replicate that?

[OlberJ]

Not a fan personally. They look quite heavy and cumbersome.

A 911 in a ra-ra dress with clogs on.

[mollytherocker]

Slippydiff said:

It's very hard not to like that. Yes, it's stupid and heavy etc etc. but just look at it!

Must resist.

[Burnham]

mollytherocker said:

Slippydiff said:

It's very hard not to like that. Yes, it's stupid and heavy etc etc. but just look at it!

Must resist.

Its a shame there is nobody in the UK doing a kit/conversion like that...im sure it would sell. Where do I sign....

[Slippydiff]

[half-9]

mr pg said:

You could try discussing it with RPM:

http://www.rpmtechnik.co.uk/upgrades/engine/

Thanks!

I also found Vosstek do a Run Wild Baby kit, for 3k USD, looks similar, but prefer the Rauh Welt stuff

http://www.betterbodiesmotorsport.com/interiors/bo...

Cheers
H

[half-9]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yzhp0l2O-iQ

Latest RWB vid showing the porsche in the photos above in action....

So does any one know what the upper limit is for a 964 Carrera 4's transmission. I was thinking of turbo or even compound charging a 964 Carrera 4, but no point if the 4 wheel drive system can't cope??

Thx
H