first review of 991 GT3
first review of 991 GT3
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Scott Parker

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798 posts

251 months

Monday 29th April 2013
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V8KSN

4,713 posts

214 months

Monday 29th April 2013
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Scott Parker said:
The king is dead, long live the king!

AndyBrew

2,774 posts

249 months

Monday 29th April 2013
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Seems like an excellent review, oh god its a long wait!

Jim1556

1,838 posts

186 months

Monday 29th April 2013
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The paddles aren't attached to the steering column? WTF?

So if you wanna change gear mid corner, you still have to take your hands off the wheel or have it in automatic! confused

It would seem there are some strange people in Porsche's GT team...

In agreement with the article, I'd happily sacrifice a few tenths off 0-60 times or a second or two off the lap time if I feel I've worked for it and got the enjoyment of using a soddin' manual!

I know the PDK's quicker, gives you less to worry about on track other than lines, throttle and braking. I drove both back to back at Silverstone, but I enjoyed the stick more... driving

Anyone else think (hope) the RS will have a manual option?

AndyBrew

2,774 posts

249 months

Monday 29th April 2013
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Jim1556 said:
So if you wanna change gear mid corner, you still have to take your hands off the wheel or have it in automatic! confused

It would seem there are some strange people in Porsche's GT team...
I would agree with Porsche fixed paddles are far easier to operate when cornering, my M3 had paddles on the steering wheel and I found them confusing at times, far easier in my opinion when they are fixed, as in a GT-R or Scuderia.

Scott Parker

Original Poster:

798 posts

251 months

Monday 29th April 2013
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Jim1556 said:
The paddles aren't attached to the steering column? WTF?
I think they mean they are not attached to the steering column as in a "Ferrari" style but are attached to the Wheel thus move round and around with the wheel

AndyBrew

2,774 posts

249 months

Monday 29th April 2013
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Scott Parker said:
I think they mean they are not attached to the steering column as in a "Ferrari" style but are attached to the Wheel thus move round and around with the wheel
Oh well that's annoying!!

f1ashgordon

264 posts

166 months

Monday 29th April 2013
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Sounds like an epic car. Agree with sentiment of the article.

Preuninger seems to deliberately ignore the primary reason some are bemoaning the lack of manual ie not that manual's objectively better, it's not, it's slower etc etc but it is objectively more involving (synchronous movement of feet and arm vs fingertip movement) and for many this is subjectively more enjoyable even if it is slower.

Doesn't stop me wanting one though.

mollytherocker

14,465 posts

239 months

Monday 29th April 2013
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Wow, pretty strong words about the death of the Manual box. I wasn't expecting that.

It will be interesting to see if this view is common amongst the journos.

However, it does sound like an epic car.

Carl_Docklands

15,831 posts

292 months

Monday 29th April 2013
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Scott Parker said:
cheers mate, thanks for posting.

Is it stick or twist with your car then? smile

The actual sound of the new engine pulling hard to 9000rpm seems to be fairly elusive so far, I wonder if Porsche are saving the best until last....


Jim1556

1,838 posts

186 months

Monday 29th April 2013
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Carl_Docklands said:
The actual sound of the new engine pulling hard to 9000rpm seems to be fairly elusive so far, I wonder if Porsche are saving the best until last....
Sounds pretty bloody good here:
(Thanks Dale)

http://bridgetogantry.com/2/index.php/home/spy-sho...

Old Trout

1,705 posts

205 months

Monday 29th April 2013
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Jim1556 said:
The paddles aren't attached to the steering column? WTF?

So if you wanna change gear mid corner, you still have to take your hands off the wheel or have it in automatic! confused
I am totally confused by this statement.

The paddles are not attached to the column in the Carrera either and it makes total sense. For most driving your hands should stay in the same place on the wheel unless you get seriously crossed up. Makes changing gear mid corner perfectly simple and correct. If the paddles were attached to the column you would then be releasing the wheel and unsettling the car.

confused indeed!

Jim1556

1,838 posts

186 months

Monday 29th April 2013
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Old Trout said:
I am totally confused by this statement.

The paddles are not attached to the column in the Carrera either and it makes total sense. For most driving your hands should stay in the same place on the wheel unless you get seriously crossed up. Makes changing gear mid corner perfectly simple and correct. If the paddles were attached to the column you would then be releasing the wheel and unsettling the car.

confused indeed!
To grab the next gear, you can pull one of the steering-column paddles, which feel heftier than those of a regular 911. Or, if you're in the middle of a turn, sideways and arms crossed up, you'll want to use the console shifter, because the paddles aren't fixed to the steering column.

The way this reads to me is that the paddles are on the dash, ie do not turn with the wheel. Perhaps it's his wording and I should've said wheel not column.

If they are attached to the wheel, I apologise for any confusion, but I blame the ambiguous journo...

mollytherocker

14,465 posts

239 months

Monday 29th April 2013
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The paddles turn with the wheel.

Old Trout

1,705 posts

205 months

Monday 29th April 2013
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As far as I know they are just like the sport wheel with recalibrated actuators - the article makes no sense to me either.

nightwalker

4,079 posts

217 months

Monday 29th April 2013
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Be the same as the csl, paddles rotate with the wheel, much easier mid corner to operate.

Wills2

29,653 posts

205 months

Monday 29th April 2013
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Just like on the other 911's with PDK and the sports design wheel, they are attached to the wheel:

Pic below from article linked:




Steve Rance

5,453 posts

261 months

Monday 29th April 2013
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Jim1556 said:
The paddles aren't attached to the steering column? WTF?

So if you wanna change gear mid corner, you still have to take your hands off the wheel or have it in automatic! confused

It would seem there are some strange people in Porsche's GT team...

In agreement with the article, I'd happily sacrifice a few tenths off 0-60 times or a second or two off the lap time if I feel I've worked for it and got the enjoyment of using a soddin' manual!

I know the PDK's quicker, gives you less to worry about on track other than lines, throttle and braking. I drove both back to back at Silverstone, but I enjoyed the stick more... driving

Anyone else think (hope) the RS will have a manual option?
Only a complete idiot would want to change gear mid corner.

ttdan

1,113 posts

223 months

Monday 29th April 2013
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But osnt that one of the major usp's of pdk, so smooth no unsettling of the car?

Anyway, review number one and they are liking it but ultimately bemoaning the lack of a manual shift. The notion of having to keep modernising and moving forwards on the technology front is not convincing. I think the customer is discerning enough to want a choice at least. The manual 'box was one of the last differentiators they had, next the engine will go midships and the car will blend into the rest of competiton. I'll laugh my rear end off if the next 458 is a manual :-)

Dblue

3,288 posts

230 months

Monday 29th April 2013
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AndyBrew said:
Jim1556 said:
So if you wanna change gear mid corner, you still have to take your hands off the wheel or have it in automatic! confused

It would seem there are some strange people in Porsche's GT team...
I would agree with Porsche fixed paddles are far easier to operate when cornering, my M3 had paddles on the steering wheel and I found them confusing at times, far easier in my opinion when they are fixed, as in a GT-R or Scuderia.
Absolutely agree Andy. GTR and Scuderia both have steering column mounted paddles and they work better than any others I've tried. The paddle needs to be long enough but its much better know which is which when you have some lock on.