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Is it possible to buy a good condition 964 c2 or c4 (manual) for £15k?
I have searched autotrader.co.uk and it looks like some of the 964s could be bought at £15k with a bit of haggling. At this price point would they be any good?
I have also looked at 911virgin.com but their 964 pricing leaves me a bit baffled. For example this 93k tiptronic is £22,995: [url]www.911virgin.com/964rcf.htm[/url]
Surely this is a bit dear for an unpopular 964 tiptronic? For 3k cheaper you can buy this 993 from autotrader:
The buyers guide from 911 and porsche world states that you can get a good right hand drive 964 for £18k - and that was 3 years ago. So surely 15k is possible now?
I have searched autotrader.co.uk and it looks like some of the 964s could be bought at £15k with a bit of haggling. At this price point would they be any good?
I have also looked at 911virgin.com but their 964 pricing leaves me a bit baffled. For example this 93k tiptronic is £22,995: [url]www.911virgin.com/964rcf.htm[/url]
Surely this is a bit dear for an unpopular 964 tiptronic? For 3k cheaper you can buy this 993 from autotrader:
The buyers guide from 911 and porsche world states that you can get a good right hand drive 964 for £18k - and that was 3 years ago. So surely 15k is possible now?
What the hell is wrong with that 993 for £20k? previuosly crashed? its LHD but they are going for more than £20k usualy.
As for 964's dont be silly as soon as I started looking at them they went up £4k.
£18-20 seems to be the price range for a car that has 70-90k miles with new clutch and fly wheel. tear drop mirrors and cups.
thats private by the way. dealers £20k +
I have seen cheeper ones and I have seen more expensive ones. baffles the hell outa me.
ps. anyone know what the differences are (if any) between 89-91 cars and 92-93 964's?
>> Edited by pesty on Tuesday 5th October 04:13
As for 964's dont be silly as soon as I started looking at them they went up £4k.
£18-20 seems to be the price range for a car that has 70-90k miles with new clutch and fly wheel. tear drop mirrors and cups.
thats private by the way. dealers £20k +
I have seen cheeper ones and I have seen more expensive ones. baffles the hell outa me.
ps. anyone know what the differences are (if any) between 89-91 cars and 92-93 964's?
>> Edited by pesty on Tuesday 5th October 04:13
964 difference....
Pretty much all rhd 964 were actually 90' build cars, pre airbag and with the older motor.....lhd changed in july 91, with a motor that had less tendency (but still can) leak. The chassis number will tell you the true build age. Irrespective, a 964 in good shape is a fine piece of kit. Prices are all over the place though because to prepare a 964 well can cosst a lot for dealers, a clutch, a leak, a service, and a few other bits might gobble up £2500+.
Adrian Crawford.
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Welcome to the forum, by the way; your knowledge and reputation precedes you, so it's good to have you here. Rgds, Domster (moderator)
>> Edited by domster on Tuesday 5th October 09:47
Pretty much all rhd 964 were actually 90' build cars, pre airbag and with the older motor.....lhd changed in july 91, with a motor that had less tendency (but still can) leak. The chassis number will tell you the true build age. Irrespective, a 964 in good shape is a fine piece of kit. Prices are all over the place though because to prepare a 964 well can cosst a lot for dealers, a clutch, a leak, a service, and a few other bits might gobble up £2500+.
Adrian Crawford.
Sorry, Adrian - I have had to remove your links as they are basically free advertising, and this annoys the paying advertisers
Welcome to the forum, by the way; your knowledge and reputation precedes you, so it's good to have you here. Rgds, Domster (moderator) >> Edited by domster on Tuesday 5th October 09:47
rubystone said:
RHD 964s can be bought for a lot less than £15k. For that money if I were buying pre '93 car I'd personally want to see evidence that the top end had been sorted out and ideally that it had had a flywheel and clutch too. All IMHO of course.
Ditto to the above, I do have to laugh when I see high miles non mint 964s at say £16-17k with 100+k & havent had a topend build.
A top end build with the other milage/age odds & sods that can all add up can easily see a £5k+ bill.
For LHD sub £10k with a topend build done at a decent specialist is not un-achivable either, Ok not the most top notch examples but I know its do-able.
Sub £20k for a LHd early 993 thats not a minter seems about right to me.
On the 964 note anyone see that cheap black 964RS in 911&P/W this month? & I think it was in last month too. £19k and apparnetly with a six speed box! who knows what it really is under the skin...
iguana said:
Ditto to the above, I do have to laugh when I see high miles non mint 964s at say £16-17k with 100+k & havent had a topend build.
A top end build with the other milage/age odds & sods that can all add up can easily see a £5k+ bill.
On the 964 note anyone see that cheap black 964RS in 911&P/W this month? & I think it was in last month too. £19k and apparnetly with a six speed box! who knows what it really is under the skin...
yes I saw that went streight to the web site
the car dosnt apear on teh website and teh website is for a breakers yard dealing in damaged repairs IIRC. your scaring me off with all this talk of 5k bills stop it
rubystone said:
RHD 964s can be bought for a lot less than £15k. For that money if I were buying pre '93 car I'd personally want to see evidence that the top end had been sorted out and ideally that it had had a flywheel and clutch too. All IMHO of course.
Please enlighten me, is there a longevity issue with the top end design of the 964 series? I know it doesn't have the lightweight hydraulic rockers of the 993 but isn't it similar to the 930-style 3.2 litre F6 which is reknowned to be robust? Or were you suggesting a top end rebuild just as a matter of precaution?
iguana said:
On the 964 note anyone see that cheap black 964RS in 911&P/W this month? & I think it was in last month too. £19k and apparnetly with a six speed box! who knows what it really is under the skin...
That one was a Cat D repair job. At the very least it had new front bumper (C2 - you can see the washer jet holes). The Recaros looked non original, also had non original wheel and chrome sill covers. No idea what the full extent of the damage was, but I did wonder about the 'six speed' bit - certainly it had a 996 type gear knob - maybe just had six speed pattern on the knob. Who knows ???? Either way it's been sold and someone may be driving a bargain or it could be a nail.
Marquis_Rex said:
Please enlighten me, is there a longevity issue with the top end design of the 964 series? I know it doesn't have the lightweight hydraulic rockers of the 993 but isn't it similar to the 930-style 3.2 litre F6 which is reknowned to be robust? Or were you suggesting a top end rebuild just as a matter of precaution?
No, it's basically that the barrels can leak and that the exhaust valve stem seals can wear out (heat damage I think?). This is only from what I recall.
The shimmed rockers should be fine if they are adjusted at service time. Maybe the valve stem wear occurs if this is missed and the valve timing goes a bit awry?
Anyone fancy the zero miles 964RS on www.911uk.com in red a snip at £80k
>> Edited by clubsport on Tuesday 5th October 14:16
>> Edited by clubsport on Tuesday 5th October 14:16
There's a design fault which causes the barrels to move away from the heads and leak oil IIRC. The exhaust valve guide wear is attributable to the engine undertray which causes heat build up and consnequent valve guide wear.
First thing I did was remove mine on the RS (but it still needed guides when the engine was rebuilt due to my buzzing the engine - and that was with only 20k miles on the clock).
First thing I did was remove mine on the RS (but it still needed guides when the engine was rebuilt due to my buzzing the engine - and that was with only 20k miles on the clock).
rubystone said:
There's a design fault which causes the barrels to move away from the heads and leak oil IIRC. The exhaust valve guide wear is attributable to the engine undertray which causes heat build up and consnequent valve guide wear.
First thing I did was remove mine on the RS (but it still needed guides when the engine was rebuilt due to my buzzing the engine - and that was with only 20k miles on the clock).
Rubystone. Is this likely to happen on a 1991 car with 88k on the clock? have e -mailed teh seller but no reply yet. Clutch and flywheel done apparently.
I have asked if there any oil leaks any other questions to ask?
pesty said:
Rubystone. Is this likely to happen on a 1991 car with 88k on the clock? have e -mailed teh seller but no reply yet. Clutch and flywheel done apparently.
I have asked if there any oil leaks any other questions to ask?
My guess is yes. I have heard of the work being done on younger cars with less miles. That said, each case is different. If the engine is 'dry' ie no oil drips from the barrels, and the compression in the cylinders is fine when tested, then you may be lucky. That's why it pays to get it inspected. Imagine getting a 4.5k bill later because you didn't get a 200 quid inspection at the time.
clubsport said:
It's not just the money that has to be spent.
It is not unusual for a 964 to be off the road for a couple of years while it is being repaired.
Feck off... if it was just leaking barrels it would be back by now. The 'shell up rebuild with no fixed end-date' is doing my nut in
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