997 engine failure 29700 miles
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My September registered 2004 997 with full service history just dropped it's engine. IMS failure, new engine £16,500. Porsche offered 2k even though they admitted it was a known fault. Having the engine rebuilt and to top it off having a mod done because the right bank of cylinders are prone to scouring due to overheating. Where's the recall Porsche? No longer an everyday super car. Note typo in subject car has done just over 29,900 miles.
Edited by Phil140680 on Wednesday 5th June 13:47
Edited by Phil140680 on Wednesday 5th June 13:49
Edited by Phil140680 on Wednesday 5th June 13:52
Why would sourcing a replacement lump with good provenance devalue the car by £10k? A rebuild will shore the values up, no doubt, but I wouldn't be put off by a good engine being dropped in.
Porsche's contribution is laughable, frankly. Have you tried head office etc to force their hand? If you have no luck make them feel it - write to every printed motoring magazine with your story and see if you can put some venom into those column inches.
Even if that's all wrong, £16.5k is an absolute fantasy for a 911 engine rebuild.
Porsche's contribution is laughable, frankly. Have you tried head office etc to force their hand? If you have no luck make them feel it - write to every printed motoring magazine with your story and see if you can put some venom into those column inches.
Even if that's all wrong, £16.5k is an absolute fantasy for a 911 engine rebuild.
sixteen and a half grand for a six cylinder N/A engine, am guessing a bare block, i.e. bottom end and heads, wow, I suppose a new 911 is 80k so the engine must represent a fair proportion of that but that is a proportion of the retail price not what it costs Porsche to build one.
Really Porsche should be offering that 2k gesture against a pretty much cost price engine, so, say 4 to 5k, maybe not even that, they screwed up, the engine wasnt fit for purpose if it has been serviced and only lasts that long.
Thing is, with thes issues, it generally doesnt affect those who buy the cars new, i.e. those who change their cars after 2 or 3 years, if it does the new car warranty covers it, its the poor sods that get them after the manufacturers warranty runs out, Porsche really dont give one about those owners.
Ok, there is a lot of hysteria about the IMS/RMS issues and any car like that can generate some eye watering bills, for me, buying a 911 isnt on the agenda, do I put my 15/20 grand into a Porsche or soemthing more reliable, like a TVR
Really Porsche should be offering that 2k gesture against a pretty much cost price engine, so, say 4 to 5k, maybe not even that, they screwed up, the engine wasnt fit for purpose if it has been serviced and only lasts that long.
Thing is, with thes issues, it generally doesnt affect those who buy the cars new, i.e. those who change their cars after 2 or 3 years, if it does the new car warranty covers it, its the poor sods that get them after the manufacturers warranty runs out, Porsche really dont give one about those owners.
Ok, there is a lot of hysteria about the IMS/RMS issues and any car like that can generate some eye watering bills, for me, buying a 911 isnt on the agenda, do I put my 15/20 grand into a Porsche or soemthing more reliable, like a TVR
I would love to see the breakdown of that £16k bill and what the labour is ie how much per hour just because its a Porsche over say a Ford.
A friend of mine had a rebuild on his 206 GTI initially Peugeot offered something silly like £2000 as well, never accept their first offer there is plenty more to come, a couple of strongly worded letters to head office, threaten to go to the press or Evo magazine and their offer will soon increase.
A friend of mine had a rebuild on his 206 GTI initially Peugeot offered something silly like £2000 as well, never accept their first offer there is plenty more to come, a couple of strongly worded letters to head office, threaten to go to the press or Evo magazine and their offer will soon increase.
Only way to own a modern Porsche IMO is with warranty- I got shot of my 996 when it ran out and it was already starting to rust ( very early 996).
Either that or get in at a cheap entry price and keep a 'war chest' for possible problems like engine rebuilds or rotten radiators etc etc etc.
I think the bullet proof and cheap to run Porsche never really existed (see 964), it's just that compared to the competition they're still likely to give good service and not cost an arm and a leg to run.
Don't buy a 70 grand car and expect 30K running costs.......
Sad however that Porsche don't seem to have looked into resolving this now common fault as generations of vehicle developed.
Either that or get in at a cheap entry price and keep a 'war chest' for possible problems like engine rebuilds or rotten radiators etc etc etc.
I think the bullet proof and cheap to run Porsche never really existed (see 964), it's just that compared to the competition they're still likely to give good service and not cost an arm and a leg to run.
Don't buy a 70 grand car and expect 30K running costs.......
Sad however that Porsche don't seem to have looked into resolving this now common fault as generations of vehicle developed.
[quote=Motorrad]Don't buy a 70 grand car and expect 30K running costs.......
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Its only a car, its only a six cylinder N/A engine like numerous other cars have,I am sure that to a point on here we kind of set ourselves up for being bent over, the OP should not be paying for sub standard design and materials, that engine I would expect doesnt cost that much more to make than the lump in a Nissan 350Z or any other six cylinder engine, its made of (sometimes porous) cast aluminium and has a crank, six pistons, conrods, cams and valves. they have been knocking out variants of that engine for a good long while now so it isnt like it is some untested design.
Perhaps it isnt us trying to run a 70k car like a 30k one, perhaps its Porsche building a 30k car and selling it for 70k ?
This does mean that man maths would justify a turbo as being a cheaper alternative to a C4S or similar.
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Its only a car, its only a six cylinder N/A engine like numerous other cars have,I am sure that to a point on here we kind of set ourselves up for being bent over, the OP should not be paying for sub standard design and materials, that engine I would expect doesnt cost that much more to make than the lump in a Nissan 350Z or any other six cylinder engine, its made of (sometimes porous) cast aluminium and has a crank, six pistons, conrods, cams and valves. they have been knocking out variants of that engine for a good long while now so it isnt like it is some untested design.
Perhaps it isnt us trying to run a 70k car like a 30k one, perhaps its Porsche building a 30k car and selling it for 70k ?
This does mean that man maths would justify a turbo as being a cheaper alternative to a C4S or similar.
J4CKO said:
otorrad
Perhaps it isnt us trying to run a 70k car like a 30k one, perhaps its Porsche building a 30k car and selling it for 70k ?
I think this is closer to the truth, really. Small volume cars are always going to have less comprehensive testing cycles and clearly in this case, Porsche (or rather their customers) paid the price for it. Perhaps it isnt us trying to run a 70k car like a 30k one, perhaps its Porsche building a 30k car and selling it for 70k ?
Edited by kambites on Tuesday 4th June 16:51
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