997.1 turbo to 993 turbo?

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Hi guys,

I've had my 997 turbo about a month now and love it to bits, however I keep looking at older 993 turbos ever since seeing one the on the road the other day.

Has anyone gone from a gen1 997 turbo to a 993 turbo?

How do they handle compared to the newer car?

What is the power delivery like sometimes the 997 feels too powerful for London roads)?

Is there a buyers guide anywhere?

What are the key things to look out for when looking at one?

I am assuming on a car that age there is no warranty, right?

[taaffy]

Have a look at this ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OwjBYwhdhU

[Koln-RS]

The 993 Turbo in the Autocar vid looks stunning, but I've never seen one in that colour before.

Bit 'chalk and cheese' though. Think I'd buy the 993 Turbo as a second car, summer use, potential collectable. But I'd buy the 997 Turbo for regular, whatever the weather, day to day use - from commuting to trans continental trips.

[911Thrasher]

I had a 993 turbo as a daily in 2009, spectacular how easy it was for everything: London, trackdays and road trips: did over 10,000miles per annum while I had it.

They rock! Got for it.

[rimkah]

Thrash was yours the one with fake pccb's?

[911Thrasher]

rimkah said:

Thrash was yours the one with fake pccb's?

I beg your pardon - a 993 with carbon ceramics??? All my cars have always been 100% original and as per factory spec.

Moreover, 993 turbos never came with PCCB! It was only introduced with 996...don't know how you came up with such allegation!

Edited by 911Thrasher on Monday 5th August 18:43

[rimkah]

Did you not have yellow calipers?

[Dave Sums]

I had a 997 turbo last summer and sold it after couple months.
I pick up my 993 turbo from JZM on Wednesday so I'll soon be in a position to let you know.
I have a really good feeling from test drive that I'm going to love the 993 for those special drives as I am sure it has so much more character than the modern version...

[911Thrasher]

Yellow calipers are not a sign of PCCB...993 turbo S did come from factory as standard with yellow calipers, and Exclusive Dept did whatever buyers were ready to pay for

Here are only a few of the 993 turbo S with yellow calipers:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=993+turbo+s&...

Edited by 911Thrasher on Monday 5th August 19:37

[rimkah]

911Thrasher said:

Yellow calipers are not a sign of PCCB...993 turbo S did come from factory as standard with yellow calipers, and Exclusive Dept did whatever buyers were ready to pay for

Yes on a TURBO S.

[911Thrasher]

rimkah said:

911Thrasher said:

Yellow calipers are not a sign of PCCB...993 turbo S did come from factory as standard with yellow calipers, and Exclusive Dept did whatever buyers were ready to pay for

Yes on a TURBO S.

And like I also said also a available from the Exclusive department, the same way the body kit or engine kit was available even before the turboS came out It was just a matter of paying the Exclusive Dept for whatever spec the buyer wanted

I won't discuss this further as this is not the OP question. You want to discuss 993 options, start another thread

[rimkah]

911Thrasher said:

rimkah said:

911Thrasher said:

Yellow calipers are not a sign of PCCB...993 turbo S did come from factory as standard with yellow calipers, and Exclusive Dept did whatever buyers were ready to pay for

Yes on a TURBO S.

And like I also said also a available from the Exclusive department, the same way the body kit or engine kit was available even before the turboS came out It was just a matter of paying the Exclusive Dept for whatever spec the buyer wanted

I won't discuss this further as this is not the OP question. You want to discuss 993 options, start another thread

Nothing to discuss on your turbo non S they were red before.

So nothing to do with exclusive department.

[IMI A]

rimkah said:

911Thrasher said:

rimkah said:

911Thrasher said:

Yellow calipers are not a sign of PCCB...993 turbo S did come from factory as standard with yellow calipers, and Exclusive Dept did whatever buyers were ready to pay for

Yes on a TURBO S.

And like I also said also a available from the Exclusive department, the same way the body kit or engine kit was available even before the turboS came out It was just a matter of paying the Exclusive Dept for whatever spec the buyer wanted

I won't discuss this further as this is not the OP question. You want to discuss 993 options, start another thread

Nothing to discuss on your turbo non S they were red before.

So nothing to do with exclusive department.

no just the calipers were yellow on 993 turbo S. discs were still steel

[FalconWood]

911Thrasher said:

I had a 993 turbo as a daily in 2009, spectacular how easy it was for everything: London, trackdays and road trips: did over 10,000miles per annum while I had it.

They rock! Got for it.

+1. I have a Turbo S 993 and 997 Gen 2 Turbo. Cars are so so different and as quoted above. I drive the 997 regular because it is easier but I love getting the 993 out.

[paultje]

Koln-RS said:

The 993 Turbo in the Autocar vid looks stunning, but I've never seen one in that colour before.

Bit 'chalk and cheese' though. Think I'd buy the 993 Turbo as a second car, summer use, potential collectable. But I'd buy the 997 Turbo for regular, whatever the weather, day to day use - from commuting to trans continental trips.

The 993TT in the vid was mine, and I got to drive both cars on the airfield, that day. The 997 was probably, and measurably, better in every way except one. A sense of occasion ....the older model just feels more alive, more tactile. It is not as 'accomplished', and more likely to kill the careless driver, but I understand what Steve said in conclusion.

Since that video I've had both turbos reconditioned and the car is far more lively. Steve had the chance to drive it again recently on a foto shoot for Classic & Sportscar Mag, and his comment was 'Blimey, what have you done to it?'

So the performance gap between the two has narrowed slightly. 'How fast do you want to go on the public road' is now a valid question!
You will have to drive both and see what you think. Needless to say, I will not be 'trading up' to a 997, even if it is a better car.

Have fun trying......Paul.

Edited by paultje on Wednesday 7th August 01:08

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I went from a 996 turbo to a 993 turbo and although the 993 turbo felt more special it was not as accomplished as the 996 turbo. I kept it only for a year as it was a bit too old fashion for me. It was a very good car though so go for it if this is what you want.

[lotus211]

paultje said:

The 993TT in the vid was mine, and I got to drive both cars on the airfield, that day. The 997 was probably, and measurably, better in every way except one. A sense of occasion ....the older model just feels more alive, more tactile. It is not as 'accomplished', and more likely to kill the careless driver, but I understand what Steve said in conclusion.

Since that video I've had both turbos reconditioned and the car is far more lively. Steve had the chance to drive it again recently on a foto shoot for Classic & Sportscar Mag, and his comment was 'Blimey, what have you done to it?'

So the performance gap between the two has narrowed slightly. 'How fast do you want to go on the public road' is now a valid question!
You will have to drive both and see what you think. Needless to say, I will not be 'trading up' to a 997, even if it is a better car.

Have fun trying......Paul.

Edited by paultje on Wednesday 7th August 01:08

Not a cheap excersise to recondition the turbos but a worthwhile one for sure. Doesn't sound like you'll be selling the car anytime soon then Paul.

[matsoc]

Well, at the beginning the big gap between the two will feel a bit shocking but after a while I think you will love the 993 possibly more than the 997. For me this is a general rule for some great older cars, they are someway not touched by time and progress once you recalibrate yourself to some small inevitable shortcomings.

Specifically I lived with a 993 (1996 2wd 285ps model)as only car for a couple of years at a very young age and it is still the best car I ever owned. I got it from my dad at 2001 before turning 20, he owned every 911 model since the 70s but he was among the ones who didn't enjoyed the 996 big transition, he moved to a totally different kind of car without giving back the 993 that he gave to me. Compact, exciting, practical, for me at the time even so refined (I was coming from a tuned Delta Integrale). The insurance stayed low as the car actually remained property of my dad despite I was legally allowed to drive it (Italian insurances at the time allowed it) but I payed the other running costs and I had some problems as I was doing university and I had only some part time jobs but I should have keep it!

The 993 turbo, I recenlty drove one, keeps all the positive points of the 993 I had and it upadtes straight line and dynamic performances.
The limits comparing it with a 997 emerge in some driving conditions: on a dark road at night the lights are poor to drive safely fast, visibility in rain also is ok but for an early 90s car standard. And not last of all the girl on your side, driving I didn't feel less comfortable but the passenger will note the refinment difference and she won't be happy to stay here for long...

[paultje]

lotus211 said:

Not a cheap excersise to recondition the turbos but a worthwhile one for sure. Doesn't sound like you'll be selling the car anytime soon then Paul.

Well it cost circa £3k to do the turbos, plus the odd oil pipe! I'm not sure about changing it. Finding something more interesting is the problem. I would probably go back in time to an older model like a 356.

[lotus211]

paultje said:

Well it cost circa £3k to do the turbos, plus the odd oil pipe! I'm not sure about changing it. Finding something more interesting is the problem. I would probably go back in time to an older model like a 356.

Hmmm sounds like you've toyed with the idea of selling it Paul?