Tiptroinc or PDK
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Hi
Looking for owners advice on the auto best gearbox option, PDK or tiptroinc.? In a Boxter I understand how they both work mechanically and the fact that one is 7speed the other 5, but looking for advise from owners that drive the different gearboxes in day to day use (town driving) and reliability point of view. There are some very low mileage cars for sale 08/09 having driven both in town I am airing towards the PDK due to what seems be be lower gear ratios making town driving easier but hence the tread to get a real in site to this question.
Many Thanks
Bruce
Looking for owners advice on the auto best gearbox option, PDK or tiptroinc.? In a Boxter I understand how they both work mechanically and the fact that one is 7speed the other 5, but looking for advise from owners that drive the different gearboxes in day to day use (town driving) and reliability point of view. There are some very low mileage cars for sale 08/09 having driven both in town I am airing towards the PDK due to what seems be be lower gear ratios making town driving easier but hence the tread to get a real in site to this question.
Many Thanks
Bruce
Sorry don't you love auto spell check! Lol Thank you for these words of wisdom, I deduce that there is no issues with the dual clutch system around town compared to a torque converter and creep in traffic is acceptable with PDK with no adverse reliability concerns? I do understand what is being said on a pure drivers point of view and the open road the PDK behaves much better and gives a better driving experience but this car will spend quite a lot of the time in town.
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I had never driven a PDK prior to last Friday when I tested a 997 Turbo S, and I have to say I was a little blown away (by the whole package TBH).
The change is so quick and smooth, the full auto programs are just *right* and the manual override via the paddles is a joy. There's also manual only mode.
It made my Gen1 Turbo (manual) seem a bit pedestrian by comparison.
I'm well aware of all the criticisms on here, and I don't really get it. Somehow it's too good, which makes it bad!?!?
If you've never driven a PDK, I would urge you to, it's so far away from a slush box there is no comparison.
The change is so quick and smooth, the full auto programs are just *right* and the manual override via the paddles is a joy. There's also manual only mode.
It made my Gen1 Turbo (manual) seem a bit pedestrian by comparison.
I'm well aware of all the criticisms on here, and I don't really get it. Somehow it's too good, which makes it bad!?!?
If you've never driven a PDK, I would urge you to, it's so far away from a slush box there is no comparison.
Tiptronic was a clever adaption of the old torque convertor (slush box) auto.
PDK is a far superior dual clutch manual with electronic activation.
When I first drove PDK it had the buttons on the steering wheel and the change was counter intuitive, so I wasn't convinced.
Then I drove a 997 Turbo 'S' with the paddle shifts. Wow !!! Clever doesn't do it justice. PDK will suit some cars better than others, and in the Turbo 'S' it is a perfect marriage, the performance blew me away.
However, IMO, the paddle shift is a must have with PDK.
PDK is a far superior dual clutch manual with electronic activation.
When I first drove PDK it had the buttons on the steering wheel and the change was counter intuitive, so I wasn't convinced.
Then I drove a 997 Turbo 'S' with the paddle shifts. Wow !!! Clever doesn't do it justice. PDK will suit some cars better than others, and in the Turbo 'S' it is a perfect marriage, the performance blew me away.
However, IMO, the paddle shift is a must have with PDK.
Koln-RS said:
Tiptronic was a clever adaption of the old torque convertor (slush box) auto.
PDK is a far superior dual clutch manual with electronic activation.
When I first drove PDK it had the buttons on the steering wheel and the change was counter intuitive, so I wasn't convinced.
Then I drove a 997 Turbo 'S' with the paddle shifts. Wow !!! Clever doesn't do it justice. PDK will suit some cars better than others, and in the Turbo 'S' it is a perfect marriage, the performance blew me away.
However, IMO, the paddle shift is a must have with PDK.
Completely agree to ALL that.PDK is a far superior dual clutch manual with electronic activation.
When I first drove PDK it had the buttons on the steering wheel and the change was counter intuitive, so I wasn't convinced.
Then I drove a 997 Turbo 'S' with the paddle shifts. Wow !!! Clever doesn't do it justice. PDK will suit some cars better than others, and in the Turbo 'S' it is a perfect marriage, the performance blew me away.
However, IMO, the paddle shift is a must have with PDK.
Tiptronic better crawling in traffic and parking and is also uber reliable.
It's quite fashionable to hate tiptronic on here. The 3rd version in the 997 was very effective especially when you learnt how to get the most of it.
Hurley Haywood from Christophorus magazine:
"...99.99 percent of the driving public is better served with an automatic transmission--it's just easier...as long, of course, as the automatic is up to the standard of the Porsche transmission....Porsche has developed the tiptronic over the years to become very smart....Anyone other than a professional race driver willl be able to get around the track faster with the automatic than with the manual shifter....Six speed gear shifting requires you to be very proficient.....and most people don't have a clue..."
It has always been my contention that people who have but don't like the tip do so because they just don't know how to drive it properly. It has to be driven agressively and it will reward you with outstanding performance. It makes lightening fast shifts. It is wonderfully adaptable when driven aggressively. You can downshift simply by feathering the throttle (prior to lane changes e.g).
If you're getting 20+ mpg with the tip then that is your problem. You're not driving aggressively enough. You're spending too much time in the higher gears.
Saying that PDK has raised the game and is another level. I think I must be the only person who liked the buttons;)
It's quite fashionable to hate tiptronic on here. The 3rd version in the 997 was very effective especially when you learnt how to get the most of it.
Hurley Haywood from Christophorus magazine:
"...99.99 percent of the driving public is better served with an automatic transmission--it's just easier...as long, of course, as the automatic is up to the standard of the Porsche transmission....Porsche has developed the tiptronic over the years to become very smart....Anyone other than a professional race driver willl be able to get around the track faster with the automatic than with the manual shifter....Six speed gear shifting requires you to be very proficient.....and most people don't have a clue..."
It has always been my contention that people who have but don't like the tip do so because they just don't know how to drive it properly. It has to be driven agressively and it will reward you with outstanding performance. It makes lightening fast shifts. It is wonderfully adaptable when driven aggressively. You can downshift simply by feathering the throttle (prior to lane changes e.g).
If you're getting 20+ mpg with the tip then that is your problem. You're not driving aggressively enough. You're spending too much time in the higher gears.
Saying that PDK has raised the game and is another level. I think I must be the only person who liked the buttons;)
BamfordBruce said:
There are some very low mileage cars for sale 08/09 having driven both in town I am airing towards the PDK...
Bear in mind that the same age cars don't have a choice between the two auto 'boxes.The gen 1 987/997 has the tip option, and the gen 2 987/997 has the PDK option.
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The tip 'old fashioned and slow', nonsense, you don't lift depress clutches and move gear levers you just keep your foot to the floor, change gears manually no prob you don't even let go of the wheel and the change is quicker than manual, same accel times every time. Over revs, forget em. Yes the PDK is better but the tip is better than manual, unless you like going slow.
alexisn said:
The tip 'old fashioned and slow', nonsense, you don't lift depress clutches and move gear levers you just keep your foot to the floor, change gears manually no prob you don't even let go of the wheel and the change is quicker than manual, same accel times every time. Over revs, forget em. Yes the PDK is better but the tip is better than manual, unless you like going slow.
Sorry, don't agree with this. I've driven 911's with all 3 gearboxes and from personal experience the slowest change in in a trip gearbox by quite a way. If you look at 0-60 times times the trip was about 0.4 second slower than the manual, where the pdk is about 0.2/0.4 quick than the manual.
Also the trip has a nastly habit of being in the wrong gear when cornering which unsettles the car and takes away from the driving experience. I drive a manual, but would possibly look at a pdk in the future however would never consider a trip. I don't think you will either when you drive both!
Jd27 said:
alexisn said:
The tip 'old fashioned and slow', nonsense, you don't lift depress clutches and move gear levers you just keep your foot to the floor, change gears manually no prob you don't even let go of the wheel and the change is quicker than manual, same accel times every time. Over revs, forget em. Yes the PDK is better but the tip is better than manual, unless you like going slow.
Sorry, don't agree with this. 
Koln-RS said:
Tiptronic was a clever adaption of the old torque convertor (slush box) auto.
PDK is a far superior dual clutch manual with electronic activation.
When I first drove PDK it had the buttons on the steering wheel and the change was counter intuitive, so I wasn't convinced.
Then I drove a 997 Turbo 'S' with the paddle shifts. Wow !!! Clever doesn't do it justice. PDK will suit some cars better than others, and in the Turbo 'S' it is a perfect marriage, the performance blew me away.
However, IMO, the paddle shift is a must have with PDK.
+1PDK is a far superior dual clutch manual with electronic activation.
When I first drove PDK it had the buttons on the steering wheel and the change was counter intuitive, so I wasn't convinced.
Then I drove a 997 Turbo 'S' with the paddle shifts. Wow !!! Clever doesn't do it justice. PDK will suit some cars better than others, and in the Turbo 'S' it is a perfect marriage, the performance blew me away.
However, IMO, the paddle shift is a must have with PDK.
Drove a Boxster PDK with buttons and it was very unintuitive.
There's a reason paddles work the same way across marques.
Jd27 said:
alexisn said:
The tip 'old fashioned and slow', nonsense, you don't lift depress clutches and move gear levers you just keep your foot to the floor, change gears manually no prob you don't even let go of the wheel and the change is quicker than manual, same accel times every time. Over revs, forget em. Yes the PDK is better but the tip is better than manual, unless you like going slow.
Sorry, don't agree with this. I've driven 911's with all 3 gearboxes and from personal experience the slowest change in in a trip gearbox by quite a way. If you look at 0-60 times times the trip was about 0.4 second slower than the manual, where the pdk is about 0.2/0.4 quick than the manual.
Also the trip has a nastly habit of being in the wrong gear when cornering which unsettles the car and takes away from the driving experience. I drive a manual, but would possibly look at a pdk in the future however would never consider a trip. I don't think you will either when you drive both!
Gear change is .5 which isn't bad.
When approaching a corner in auto just stomp on throttle and let go and it will be in correct low gear. Manual just press button. Even in auto mode when on it the car will hang onto the gears.
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