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Hi all, I am new to Porsche and have bought a 1977 911S Carerra,all metal wide bodied, snub nose and whale tail. Has a 3.2 1987 engine and transmission. Only done 79K and in orginal condition, with immaculate paintwork. Was used in CA all its life. Will be in the UK soon and really not sure what value to put on it? Can anyone help? The interior is in black leather all good condition needs some TLC but drives great. LHD obviously. Would add a picture if I remembered how to do it on here? Any help suggestions would be more than welcome. Cant wait to drive her. Oh she is "Ruby Jewel red"
It appears to have originally been a narrow body '77 2.7S with CIS (175bhp), most likely a Targa.
The VIN should confirm this.
The Carrera 3.0('76/77) was not available for the US market.
As Longman says the first 911 cabriolet came out with the '83 SC.
The flat nose only came with the 930(Turbo)
The VIN should confirm this.
The Carrera 3.0('76/77) was not available for the US market.
As Longman says the first 911 cabriolet came out with the '83 SC.
The flat nose only came with the 930(Turbo)
Edited by Gulf911 on Sunday 15th September 19:25
Looks like its been built from a number of donors?
You would need someone with the right knowledge to look it over and try and piece the story together.
Only then can the value be estimated, but seeing as it is obviously not original, the market for such a car is limited and therefore the value relatively low.
You would need someone with the right knowledge to look it over and try and piece the story together.
Only then can the value be estimated, but seeing as it is obviously not original, the market for such a car is limited and therefore the value relatively low.
Looks like fun! I imported my Cayman when I moved from the US to the UK, and I am estimating that it's worth 10% less than an equivalent UK RHD model. Stuff to watch out for on yours includes finding out if the 3.2 engine has US-spec cats, or if it's got the original late-70s emissions controls. Either way, aim to ditch them asap 
Hi guys thanks, firstly it has not been added to body wise it is an original all steel body, paintwork is original so no alterations done since day one. Have Vin no so will be checking it unless it was a 930 body but the vin starts 9117? Once it is here will get it checked just wondering what I should insure it for would £18k be sensible? Thanks for the help and will keep updated as I learn more. It will be based in the Oxford erea so anyone down that way with knowledge drop me a line. Cheers
greenm said:
Hi guys thanks, firstly it has not been added to body wise it is an original all steel body, paintwork is original so no alterations done since day one. Have Vin no so will be checking it unless it was a 930 body but the vin starts 9117? Once it is here will get it checked just wondering what I should insure it for would £18k be sensible? Thanks for the help and will keep updated as I learn more. It will be based in the Oxford erea so anyone down that way with knowledge drop me a line. Cheers
I'm not quite sure what you mean by the body not being altered? None of what can be seen in that picture was available in 1977.The 7 in the VIN denotes the year 1977.
It was as stated earlier a 911 2.7 with a narrow body.
If the 6th digit of the VIN is 1 then it was a Targa.
A '77 US 2.7 Targa will have a VIN 911721****
There was no wide body option nor a cabriolet.
Suggest look at www.impactbumpers.com
It was as stated earlier a 911 2.7 with a narrow body.
If the 6th digit of the VIN is 1 then it was a Targa.
A '77 US 2.7 Targa will have a VIN 911721****
There was no wide body option nor a cabriolet.
Suggest look at www.impactbumpers.com
Edited by Gulf911 on Sunday 15th September 21:34
Yes the Vin does start 9117210634? So in your opinion it had a full body rebuild at some time for the flared rear and flat6 nose? I know the engine was changed from the original 2.? to the present 1998 3.0 with I think the M50 gearbox (sorry not up as yet in all this stuff) It looks superb though that's why I bought it and there is not a spot of rust bubbling or filler on the car. Anyhow thanks for all the help will get it all sorted and hopefully join some of you guys in the know who can tell me the history?? Another shot from the back.
The VIN definitely confirms it started out as a '77 US 2.7 Targa with narrow body.
Someone in the past has chopped off the targa roof and back window to make it look like a 1980's Turbo SE cabriolet with the wide front and rear wings, flat nose and rear spoiler.
Is the engine from a 3.2 Carrera as you originally stated or from a 3.0 SC?
The wheels are incorrect,they should be Fuchs.
Do you have any pics of the interior?
Unfortunately the value is going to be substantially less than £18k.
Someone in the past has chopped off the targa roof and back window to make it look like a 1980's Turbo SE cabriolet with the wide front and rear wings, flat nose and rear spoiler.
Is the engine from a 3.2 Carrera as you originally stated or from a 3.0 SC?
The wheels are incorrect,they should be Fuchs.
Do you have any pics of the interior?
Unfortunately the value is going to be substantially less than £18k.
If it's an '87 3.2 engine it should have the G50 gearbox.
The original gearbox was the 915.
The dashboard top has the later centre vents which came with the '86 Carrera.
The white dials are a conversion.
It's hard to tell at the moment if the seats are original - do you have more pics?
Extremely difficult to value this car because of the huge amount of modifications.
To get an agreed value classic car insurance you will need to have an independent valuation.
Suggest asking John Glynn, site owner of impactbumpers.com
The original gearbox was the 915.
The dashboard top has the later centre vents which came with the '86 Carrera.
The white dials are a conversion.
It's hard to tell at the moment if the seats are original - do you have more pics?
Extremely difficult to value this car because of the huge amount of modifications.
To get an agreed value classic car insurance you will need to have an independent valuation.
Suggest asking John Glynn, site owner of impactbumpers.com
Edited by Gulf911 on Monday 16th September 17:15
If this was my own car then Id be removing the dash and researching the body number.
If everything is as it should be then a cabriolet which precedes cabriolet production may need an engineers report. It depends how on the ball the underwriters are. Even if they dont pick up on it then theres a good chance that someone will before they pay in the event of a claim.
If everything is as it should be then a cabriolet which precedes cabriolet production may need an engineers report. It depends how on the ball the underwriters are. Even if they dont pick up on it then theres a good chance that someone will before they pay in the event of a claim.
IMHo value is asking £12000 and getting £9950. Not only do buyers shy away from modified cars but you'll find insurers do too. It looks a nice car but looks decieve.Beware what lurks beneath.
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For insurance purposes you could always look at it another way - what would it cost to recreate a similar car if this one were stolen or written off? If you started with a good Supersport and then did the flatnose conversion you'd easily be over £30k.
I agree with Majordad's valuation on what the market might actually pay for this one though.
I agree with Majordad's valuation on what the market might actually pay for this one though.
Although you have all scared the Sh---t out of me, I appreciate the help. I am trying to get more details from the States to the full history if I can get it. I am not a beginner when it comes to cars and did check it out carefully for signs of body work, filling etc,to be honest it looked incredible for a 36 year old car. I even checked the paint and asked as it looked so good and was told it was original I guess from the time of the conversion? The body is solid, fair doors perfect, inside the front is clean tidy no rust at all same in the engine compartment so fingers crossed it was done by a proper shop. Once I get it here will get some more info get it checked out with everything crossed and hope its a good one. Someone early mentioned the US cats do you still have to keep them for a car of this age? Thanks all will update when its on UK soil and more is known.
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