Who moved from GT3 RS to GT3 non-RS?
Who moved from GT3 RS to GT3 non-RS?
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freemax

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160 posts

245 months

Thursday 19th December 2013
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...and what was it like?

My situation is that I have a 997.1 GT3 RS (silver with orange) and I like it. However, I have this (unexplainable?) urge for a 997.2 GT3 in white with silver wheels, club sport edition. This has nothing do to with track performance etc, it is just that the white 997.2 GT3 was always the car I was dreaming of, and somehow still am.

My objective is to have a fun car for weekends away that I can enjoy just driving. The people I spoke to (mostly sales people) said that compared to an RS the non-RS is simply less special, less exciting - however I am in no position to compare, as I have not driven them in comparison.

I use my car almost exclusively on the road, and only when I feel like driving, i.e. it does not have to be practical at all. Within reason, money is not the object, i.e. the decision is not based on the price differential between the two.

Question to those who had a chance to compare both, is it worth considering the move?

d41d8cd9

57 posts

172 months

Friday 20th December 2013
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Unlike the 996 RS and the 997.2 RS, the 997.1 RS wasn't particularly special compared to the GT3.

freemax

Original Poster:

160 posts

245 months

Friday 20th December 2013
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d41d8cd9 said:
Unlike the 996 RS and the 997.2 RS, the 997.1 RS wasn't particularly special compared to the GT3.
I know, though the possibility I am considering is from .1 RS to .2 non-RS

PorkaFly

502 posts

192 months

Friday 20th December 2013
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I was going to buy 7.1RS until I drove a 7.2 GT3. There was a huge difference in power, pace, control, less understeer and usability IMO. I bought a 7.2 because I couldn't justify buying a 7.1 RS which was essentially the same car and engine as 7.1GT3 but in the 4 bodyshell for £20k more and lairy colour. I then couldn't justify buying an older car with less performance than the 7.2 for the same money second hand. Once I got on track it was clear the 7.2 had the edge on the 7.1RS and was a more complete package. Now to look at them, standing still the 7.1RS is more of an occasion and wonderful to look at, but the 7.2 is a better resolved car in shape, dynamics, comfort and interior equipment (front lift, pcm3, hinged buckets).

With the new 991 GT3 now out I don't think it really matters which 7GT3 you go for as the new King is so phenomenal that the Mezger manual cars will never keep with them, so if I was buying a 7GT3 for keeps it would be the 7.2RS because once you try one of those you might convince yourself you have to sell your standard 7.2, as I did...the extra track front and rear, more power, single mass fly wheel, shorter gearing, and plastic window make the car feel a very different animal - sharper, noisier, more alive and more visceral. If that's what you want, def more of an event than 7.1 RS and a much better RS, but if a choice of only 7.1RS and 7.2 which was your question, then 7.2 as it's better being more modern and more powerful IMO, just don't drive a 7.2RS!

PF

lotus211

2,961 posts

214 months

Friday 20th December 2013
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Am sort of going through the same thought process moving into next year and after reading a few of these similar comments I get the impression from people on here it's either 997.1, 997.2 or 997.2 RS from the gt3 range is the real preferences. The only thing that gets me is the 7.2 RS color schemes. Not really a huge fan of the huge lettering on the body panels although I guess these could be removed.
I'm with you in liking the 7.2 GT3 in white though. Great color on that car

arcamalpha

1,113 posts

193 months

Friday 20th December 2013
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PorkaFly said:
I was going to buy 7.1RS until I drove a 7.2 GT3. There was a huge difference in power, pace, control, less understeer and usability IMO. I bought a 7.2 because I couldn't justify buying a 7.1 RS which was essentially the same car and engine as 7.1GT3 but in the 4 bodyshell for £20k more and lairy colour. I then couldn't justify buying an older car with less performance than the 7.2 for the same money second hand. Once I got on track it was clear the 7.2 had the edge on the 7.1RS and was a more complete package. Now to look at them, standing still the 7.1RS is more of an occasion and wonderful to look at, but the 7.2 is a better resolved car in shape, dynamics, comfort and interior equipment (front lift, pcm3, hinged buckets).

With the new 991 GT3 now out I don't think it really matters which 7GT3 you go for as the new King is so phenomenal that the Mezger manual cars will never keep with them, so if I was buying a 7GT3 for keeps it would be the 7.2RS because once you try one of those you might convince yourself you have to sell your standard 7.2, as I did...the extra track front and rear, more power, single mass fly wheel, shorter gearing, and plastic window make the car feel a very different animal - sharper, noisier, more alive and more visceral. If that's what you want, def more of an event than 7.1 RS and a much better RS, but if a choice of only 7.1RS and 7.2 which was your question, then 7.2 as it's better being more modern and more powerful IMO, just don't drive a 7.2RS!

PF
Spot on.

mrh1275

922 posts

231 months

Friday 20th December 2013
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arcamalpha said:
PorkaFly said:
I was going to buy 7.1RS until I drove a 7.2 GT3. There was a huge difference in power, pace, control, less understeer and usability IMO. I bought a 7.2 because I couldn't justify buying a 7.1 RS which was essentially the same car and engine as 7.1GT3 but in the 4 bodyshell for £20k more and lairy colour. I then couldn't justify buying an older car with less performance than the 7.2 for the same money second hand. Once I got on track it was clear the 7.2 had the edge on the 7.1RS and was a more complete package. Now to look at them, standing still the 7.1RS is more of an occasion and wonderful to look at, but the 7.2 is a better resolved car in shape, dynamics, comfort and interior equipment (front lift, pcm3, hinged buckets).

With the new 991 GT3 now out I don't think it really matters which 7GT3 you go for as the new King is so phenomenal that the Mezger manual cars will never keep with them, so if I was buying a 7GT3 for keeps it would be the 7.2RS because once you try one of those you might convince yourself you have to sell your standard 7.2, as I did...the extra track front and rear, more power, single mass fly wheel, shorter gearing, and plastic window make the car feel a very different animal - sharper, noisier, more alive and more visceral. If that's what you want, def more of an event than 7.1 RS and a much better RS, but if a choice of only 7.1RS and 7.2 which was your question, then 7.2 as it's better being more modern and more powerful IMO, just don't drive a 7.2RS!

PF
Spot on.
Great advice.thumbup

freemax

Original Poster:

160 posts

245 months

Sunday 22nd December 2013
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PorkaFly said:
I was going to buy 7.1RS until I drove a 7.2 GT3. There was a huge difference in power, pace, control, less understeer and usability IMO. I bought a 7.2 because I couldn't justify buying a 7.1 RS which was essentially the same car and engine as 7.1GT3 but in the 4 bodyshell for £20k more and lairy colour. I then couldn't justify buying an older car with less performance than the 7.2 for the same money second hand. Once I got on track it was clear the 7.2 had the edge on the 7.1RS and was a more complete package. Now to look at them, standing still the 7.1RS is more of an occasion and wonderful to look at, but the 7.2 is a better resolved car in shape, dynamics, comfort and interior equipment (front lift, pcm3, hinged buckets).

With the new 991 GT3 now out I don't think it really matters which 7GT3 you go for as the new King is so phenomenal that the Mezger manual cars will never keep with them, so if I was buying a 7GT3 for keeps it would be the 7.2RS because once you try one of those you might convince yourself you have to sell your standard 7.2, as I did...the extra track front and rear, more power, single mass fly wheel, shorter gearing, and plastic window make the car feel a very different animal - sharper, noisier, more alive and more visceral. If that's what you want, def more of an event than 7.1 RS and a much better RS, but if a choice of only 7.1RS and 7.2 which was your question, then 7.2 as it's better being more modern and more powerful IMO, just don't drive a 7.2RS!

PF
Thanks PF, this is very helpful indeed!

Puts me into the situation though where I need to think hard(er) whether to go from my current 7.1 RS to the 7.2 GT3 or straight to the 7.2 GT3 RS? My original intention was 7.2 non-RS, though following your experience that may just create the longing for the RS shortly thereafter - even though I do far more road than track driving.

Whichever it is, my plan is to use it on weekends away and fun drives, maybe replace the stock exhaust by an Akrapovic system (anyone got experience with that, good or bad?), and keep it forever....so sounds like another RS is the way to go

Thoughts....?

Skittles001

671 posts

292 months

Sunday 22nd December 2013
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Unless there is something specific you need from the Gen 2 car (eg lift) I think you moving from a 7.1RS to a 7.2GT3 would, in overall terms, be a sideways move - you'll lose somethings but gain others. Surely you'll miss the RS?

I made the opposite move to you of the four 997 cars: I had a 7.1 GT3, loved it but given the strong 997 GT residuals looked to move to a gen 2. I couldn't justify the move from the 7.1 to 7.2 GT3 so would find it even harder to move from an RS to a non RS. I ended up going for a 7.2 RS and no regrets!

Edited by Skittles001 on Sunday 22 December 19:05

arcamalpha

1,113 posts

193 months

Sunday 22nd December 2013
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Skittles001 said:
Unless there is something specific you need from the Gen 2 car (eg lift) I think you moving from a 7.1RS to a 7.2GT3 would, in overall terms, be a sideways move - you'll lose somethings but gain others. Surely you'll miss the RS?

I made the opposite move to you of the four 997 cars: I had a 7.1 GT3, loved it but given the strong 997 GT residuals looked to move to a gen 2. I couldn't justify the move from the 7.1 to 7.2 GT3 so would find it even harder to move from an RS to a non RS. I ended up going for a 7.2 RS and no regrets!

Edited by Skittles001 on Sunday 22 December 19:05
Overall, I agree If you didn't have one already, it would be an easy and worth choosing a Gen2. Not sure it's worth swapping though - you'll loss a fair few £k in the swap and I'm not sure the gain would be worth the cost. Arguably there's also a risk that the new car will have issues. If you've had your current car a while, then you know if it's reliable, how well it's been looked after etc.

PorkaFly

502 posts

192 months

Sunday 22nd December 2013
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freemax said:
PorkaFly said:
I was going to buy 7.1RS until I drove a 7.2 GT3. There was a huge difference in power, pace, control, less understeer and usability IMO. I bought a 7.2 because I couldn't justify buying a 7.1 RS which was essentially the same car and engine as 7.1GT3 but in the 4 bodyshell for £20k more and lairy colour. I then couldn't justify buying an older car with less performance than the 7.2 for the same money second hand. Once I got on track it was clear the 7.2 had the edge on the 7.1RS and was a more complete package. Now to look at them, standing still the 7.1RS is more of an occasion and wonderful to look at, but the 7.2 is a better resolved car in shape, dynamics, comfort and interior equipment (front lift, pcm3, hinged buckets).

With the new 991 GT3 now out I don't think it really matters which 7GT3 you go for as the new King is so phenomenal that the Mezger manual cars will never keep with them, so if I was buying a 7GT3 for keeps it would be the 7.2RS because once you try one of those you might convince yourself you have to sell your standard 7.2, as I did...the extra track front and rear, more power, single mass fly wheel, shorter gearing, and plastic window make the car feel a very different animal - sharper, noisier, more alive and more visceral. If that's what you want, def more of an event than 7.1 RS and a much better RS, but if a choice of only 7.1RS and 7.2 which was your question, then 7.2 as it's better being more modern and more powerful IMO, just don't drive a 7.2RS!

PF
Thanks PF, this is very helpful indeed!

Puts me into the situation though where I need to think hard(er) whether to go from my current 7.1 RS to the 7.2 GT3 or straight to the 7.2 GT3 RS? My original intention was 7.2 non-RS, though following your experience that may just create the longing for the RS shortly thereafter - even though I do far more road than track driving.

Whichever it is, my plan is to use it on weekends away and fun drives, maybe replace the stock exhaust by an Akrapovic system (anyone got experience with that, good or bad?), and keep it forever....so sounds like another RS is the way to go

Thoughts....?
You're very welcome. You'll want an RS soon enough so best to go there in one go perhaps ;-) - it really is a different drive though from standard 7.2.

One thing few comment on is that the 7.2RS is actually more supple and compliant on roads than the standard 7.2GT3. This was a revelation to me and not something I had heard or read before I made the move...I really expected the ride and set-up to be more hardcore, but it was the driving experience of engine (extra hp and induction noise), drivetrain (single mass flywheel and shorter ratios), noise from back plastic window and titanium exhaust that was more hardcore giving the RS experience...so try not to convince yourself it would be tougher to tour in if seriously considering it. With the bigger and very comfortable folding buckets it's a very comfortable place to be for hours on end on smooth autoroutes, and my wife has managed cross Europe blasts with me no trouble even when heavily pregnant!

I also think a good second hand RS purchase will be a better financial proposition than either of the vanilla GT3s in terms of depreciation...only a factor if you sell of course...and you might if you buy non RS 7.2 biggrin

PF


lotus211

2,961 posts

214 months

Sunday 22nd December 2013
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PorkaFly said:
You're very welcome. You'll want an RS soon enough so best to go there in one go perhaps ;-) - it really is a different drive though from standard 7.2.

One thing few comment on is that the 7.2RS is actually more supple and compliant on roads than the standard 7.2GT3. This was a revelation to me and not something I had heard or read before I made the move...I really expected the ride and set-up to be more hardcore, but it was the driving experience of engine (extra hp and induction noise), drivetrain (single mass flywheel and shorter ratios), noise from back plastic window and titanium exhaust that was more hardcore giving the RS experience...so try not to convince yourself it would be tougher to tour in if seriously considering it. With the bigger and very comfortable folding buckets it's a very comfortable place to be for hours on end on smooth autoroutes, and my wife has managed cross Europe blasts with me no trouble even when heavily pregnant!

I also think a good second hand RS purchase will be a better financial proposition than either of the vanilla GT3s in terms of depreciation...only a factor if you sell of course...and you might if you buy non RS 7.2 biggrin

PF
Sounds like a sound plan providing u like the car decals of course which I have to say im not a fan of


Edited by lotus211 on Sunday 22 December 20:32

PorkaFly

502 posts

192 months

Sunday 22nd December 2013
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Decals...you can always take them off. I was seriously considering doing this and changing the white gold wheels and rear spoiler and front air dam accents to black for a more stealth look. Still might. But to return to oem is expensive on the decals I'm told.

PF

AB5150

80 posts

175 months

Sunday 22nd December 2013
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[quote=PorkaFly]

You're very welcome. You'll want an RS soon enough so best to go there in one go perhaps ;-) - it really is a different drive though from standard 7.2.

One thing few comment on is that the 7.2RS is actually more supple and compliant on roads than the standard 7.2GT3. This was a revelation to me and not something I had heard or read before I made the move...I really expected the ride and set-up to be more hardcore, but it was the driving experience of engine (extra hp and induction noise), drivetrain (single mass flywheel and shorter ratios), noise from back plastic window and titanium exhaust that was more hardcore giving the RS experience...so try not to convince yourself it would be tougher to tour in if seriously considering it. With the bigger and very comfortable folding buckets it's a very comfortable place to be for hours on end on smooth autoroutes, and my wife has managed cross Europe blasts with me no trouble even when heavily pregnant!

I also think a good second hand RS purchase will be a better financial proposition than either of the vanilla GT3s in terms of depreciation...only a factor if you sell of course...and you might if you buy non RS 7.2 biggrin

PF

I'm pleased someone bought up the point of chassis dynamics on the 7.2RS . Selling the 6.2RS I had , I very much wanted a 7.1RS to replace it but couldn't find one in the colour I wanted - So I bought a 7.2RS after a friend had taken me for a few laps in his standard CS 7.2 GT3 . The RS is by far a better experience & feels WAY more special than the standard 7.2 GT3 albeit a great machine. I do mostly touring duties in my RS & I cant get over how lovely it is even with the optioned lightweight fixed seats . With aircon & sound package plus on with your favourite tunes you'll forget its a race car for the road . I have to totally agree with PF on this - the 7.2RS is the way to go ( decals , full fruit also )

birdcage

2,934 posts

234 months

Sunday 22nd December 2013
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I sold my orange gt3 RS and then bought a lovely grey 997.2 GT3, after a gap inbetween for a 997 turbo for the winter.

The 997.2 GT3 was a great car but I sold it as for me it never quite compared to my orange one for a sense of drama, especially with a Europipe fitted.

That is why when my orange one came back up for sale I had to buy it. It just feels more special as a car.

Residuals might be better long term too but it's opening the garage door and seeing how serious it looks that gets me.

Plus I like scraping all the speed bumps on my way out of central London as now I have no lift again and all the swearing that goes with trying to pack luggage in the back!




birdcage

2,934 posts

234 months

Sunday 22nd December 2013
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[quote=PorkaFly][quote=birdcage]I sold my orange gt3 RS and then bought a lovely grey 997.2 GT3, after a gap inbetween for a 997 turbo for the winter.

The 997.2 GT3 was a great car but I sold it as for me it never quite compared to my orange one for a sense of drama, especially with a Europipe fitted.

That is why when my orange one came back up for sale I had to buy it. It just feels more special as a car.

Residuals might be better long term too but it's opening the garage door and seeing how serious it looks that gets me.

Plus I like scraping all the speed bumps on my way out of central London as now I have no lift again and all the swearing that goes with trying to pack luggage in the back!

Via JZM? Was there the day it came in last year if same car...very much a sense of drama with the Europipe.



That's it. Glad to have it back!

SonnyM

3,473 posts

222 months

Sunday 22nd December 2013
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On that note if anyone knows of a nice 3.8 RS with lift and buckets feel free to pm me smile

PorkaFly

502 posts

192 months

Sunday 22nd December 2013
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birdcage said:
I sold my orange gt3 RS and then bought a lovely grey 997.2 GT3, after a gap inbetween for a 997 turbo for the winter.

The 997.2 GT3 was a great car but I sold it as for me it never quite compared to my orange one for a sense of drama, especially with a Europipe fitted.

That is why when my orange one came back up for sale I had to buy it. It just feels more special as a car.

Residuals might be better long term too but it's opening the garage door and seeing how serious it looks that gets me.

Plus I like scraping all the speed bumps on my way out of central London as now I have no lift again and all the swearing that goes with trying to pack luggage in the back!
Via JZM? Was there the day it came in last year if same car...very much a sense of drama with the Europipe.

freemax

Original Poster:

160 posts

245 months

Monday 23rd December 2013
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birdcage said:
Plus I like [....] all the swearing that goes with trying to pack luggage in the back!
I know what you mean :-)

One thing I found helpful were the plastic hooks with velcro straps that I took from our baby's bugaboo stroller....they come from all kinds of suppliers and are meant to fit to the stroller's handle bar to hang a handbag or shopping bags....but they also fit the RS' scaffolding perfectly well and are useful when you are taking an evening dress or a Bavarian dirndl along (both my wife's, in case you were wondering...) because you can hang them, rather than fold them into the footwell.

freemax

Original Poster:

160 posts

245 months

Monday 23rd December 2013
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PorkaFly said:
You're very welcome. You'll want an RS soon enough so best to go there in one go perhaps ;-) - it really is a different drive though from standard 7.2.

One thing few comment on is that the 7.2RS is actually more supple and compliant on roads than the standard 7.2GT3. This was a revelation to me and not something I had heard or read before I made the move...I really expected the ride and set-up to be more hardcore, but it was the driving experience of engine (extra hp and induction noise), drivetrain (single mass flywheel and shorter ratios), noise from back plastic window and titanium exhaust that was more hardcore giving the RS experience...so try not to convince yourself it would be tougher to tour in if seriously considering it. With the bigger and very comfortable folding buckets it's a very comfortable place to be for hours on end on smooth autoroutes, and my wife has managed cross Europe blasts with me no trouble even when heavily pregnant!

PF
Thanks PF and to others for your helpful views! I think a plan is forming...

In terms of personal life circumstances....

...heavily pregnant wife: check!
...Euro tours: check!
...enjoying drama: check!

Looks likethe choice is made for me :-)