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I'm planning to change my 2010 MY XKR coupe 5Ltr for a lovely 911 991 Carrera 2 S coupe (is that right?!) in a couple of months time. Looking at spending around 70k on a 2012 MY Porsche Approved car.
Now, although I'm wanting less GT car and more sports car - I'm not prepared to sacrifice many luxuries! The XKR has absolutely everything on it as standard so choosing a nearly new used one was easy - pick a colour, job done. I've come to the realisation that choosing my used 991 will not be that simple! The standard spec is, I assume rather basic (like the F Type
).
I must have the following:
Reasonable touchscreen satnav
Bluetooth phone
iPod connection
Bose sound
Electric heated seats
Cruise control
Electric power fold mirrors
Auto headlights
Auto wipers
Front and rear parking sensors
Other nice options:
Auto dimming mirrors
Active exhaust
Tyre pressure monitoring
Heated screen
Smart keyless entry
The XKR has all of this as standard but are there any pack/spec options to look out for or will I have to search out all the must have options separately? I want to be somewhat informed before I head to Dick Lovetts Bristol because I'd probably let the nice salesman flog me anything based on looks alone - then I'd be annoyed after that it doesn't have xyz....
Please accept my apologies for offending all you purists out there! - you see I'm not quite ready for a hardcore 911 just yet. However, the 911 was the dream car of my childhood and I am rather excited!
Now, although I'm wanting less GT car and more sports car - I'm not prepared to sacrifice many luxuries! The XKR has absolutely everything on it as standard so choosing a nearly new used one was easy - pick a colour, job done. I've come to the realisation that choosing my used 991 will not be that simple! The standard spec is, I assume rather basic (like the F Type
). I must have the following:
Reasonable touchscreen satnav
Bluetooth phone
iPod connection
Bose sound
Electric heated seats
Cruise control
Electric power fold mirrors
Auto headlights
Auto wipers
Front and rear parking sensors
Other nice options:
Auto dimming mirrors
Active exhaust
Tyre pressure monitoring
Heated screen
Smart keyless entry
The XKR has all of this as standard but are there any pack/spec options to look out for or will I have to search out all the must have options separately? I want to be somewhat informed before I head to Dick Lovetts Bristol because I'd probably let the nice salesman flog me anything based on looks alone - then I'd be annoyed after that it doesn't have xyz....
Please accept my apologies for offending all you purists out there! - you see I'm not quite ready for a hardcore 911 just yet. However, the 911 was the dream car of my childhood and I am rather excited!
Porsche play the cost options game better than most.
The Nav on PCM3 is just about OK (ish)
iPod dock is great, as if the Bluetooth.
Not sure on what is standard on 991 2S but finding specced up cars is not difficult.
The only ones I don't think you'll get are heated front screen and keyless go, but I'm happy to be corrected on these.
RE:991 some would say it is more a GT than sports car these days, but I suspect coming from an XKR it will in fact seem a little hardcore.
Best advice, go drive some. You must sample both PDK and Manual.
FeelingLucky said:
The only ones I don't think you'll get are heated front screen and keyless go, but I'm happy to be corrected on these.
RE:991 some would say it is more a GT than sports car these days, but I suspect coming from an XKR it will in fact seem a little hardcore.
Best advice, go drive some. You must sample both PDK and Manual.
Thanks!RE:991 some would say it is more a GT than sports car these days, but I suspect coming from an XKR it will in fact seem a little hardcore.
Best advice, go drive some. You must sample both PDK and Manual.
Not bothered about heated screen or keyless. The GT credentials of the 991 will indeed suit me. The manual v PDK is going to be interesting. The XKR paddleshift box is ok but actually well suited to the car. The PDK would need to be more responsive than that otherwise I will want a manual I suspect as I'm looking for a more evolving driving experience. Mind you, there aren't too many manual 991's around it seems...
Well, this where it get's subjective, but (IMO) PDK is an absolute peach, without doubt more responsive than your XKR.
Some say, it's the best double clutch there is.
There's a good reason not many 991 manuals exist, and that is the the 7 speed stick is not such a good box. A complex gate arrangement (through necessity due to number of ratios) locks out 7th from anything less than 5th or 6th. In truth based upon the mechanicals of the PDK unit, it suffers badly by comparison.
Some say, it's the best double clutch there is.
There's a good reason not many 991 manuals exist, and that is the the 7 speed stick is not such a good box. A complex gate arrangement (through necessity due to number of ratios) locks out 7th from anything less than 5th or 6th. In truth based upon the mechanicals of the PDK unit, it suffers badly by comparison.
Edited by FeelingLucky on Monday 10th March 02:51
FeelingLucky said:
The Nav on PCM3 is just about OK (ish).
I think the navigation on PCM3 is more than ok. It's never not got me to anywhere other than right outside the door of where I'm heading. ETA is normally spot on, lots of choice for layouts of maps, touchscreen, route list, etc. Not sure what else is needed really.Agreed...........sort of.
Allow me to elborate:-
Whilst the Nav in PCM3 is VASTLY superior to PCM2, and more than capable in getting you anywhere you wish to go, and I must admit, turn by turn guidance within the dash display IS nice.
It is still NOT as good as a £100 TomTom, and whichever way you hack it, that is not really acceptable.
I can add weekly updated speed camera warnings into my TomTom from the very handy
PocketGPSWorld.com, not possible on PCM3, same with map updates, I've been updating my handheld every year.
Simple rule of thumb, If factory Nav was good enough, I wouldn't need to have a TomTom in my glovebox, which I do. When I had PCM2 Nav, it was never used, ever.
Allow me to elborate:-
Whilst the Nav in PCM3 is VASTLY superior to PCM2, and more than capable in getting you anywhere you wish to go, and I must admit, turn by turn guidance within the dash display IS nice.
It is still NOT as good as a £100 TomTom, and whichever way you hack it, that is not really acceptable.
I can add weekly updated speed camera warnings into my TomTom from the very handy
PocketGPSWorld.com, not possible on PCM3, same with map updates, I've been updating my handheld every year.
Simple rule of thumb, If factory Nav was good enough, I wouldn't need to have a TomTom in my glovebox, which I do. When I had PCM2 Nav, it was never used, ever.
Cheers guys.
Glad to hear the PDK is perhaps better than the manual as it will mean a lot more cars to choose from!
Re the satnav - the XKR system was ok but pretty basic and certainly not as good as the nav in the new XF loan car I had. It does seem odd that premium manufactures think it ok for a £80,00+ car to have nav system inferior to an aftermarket one!
Forgive my ignorance but is PCM3 the latest Porsche Nav system found in all their cars?
Glad to hear the PDK is perhaps better than the manual as it will mean a lot more cars to choose from!
Re the satnav - the XKR system was ok but pretty basic and certainly not as good as the nav in the new XF loan car I had. It does seem odd that premium manufactures think it ok for a £80,00+ car to have nav system inferior to an aftermarket one!
Forgive my ignorance but is PCM3 the latest Porsche Nav system found in all their cars?
yellowtang said:
Forgive my ignorance but is PCM3 the latest Porsche Nav system found in all their cars?
PCM3 is standard on all 991s. Later cars will have 7 digit post code entry -- I think those built from Spring 13 onwards. Those that do not can be upgraded to do so at £150.991 user control interfaces are light years ahead of XK .. unlike XK, 991 does not rely too much on the touch screen.
SFO said:
PCM3 is standard on all 991s. Later cars will have 7 digit post code entry -- I think those built from Spring 13 onwards. Those that do not can be upgraded to do so at £150.
991 user control interfaces are light years ahead of XK .. unlike XK, 991 does not rely too much on the touch screen.
Sort of... its not on the GT3 and I know its not what the OP is after, but I'm with the other poster... PCM in any guise falls way way short of a tom tom/Garmin system. Especially since Porsche have the b991 user control interfaces are light years ahead of XK .. unlike XK, 991 does not rely too much on the touch screen.
ks to charge the fat end of £3K for it even with 7 digit post codes.What I want from a Satnav is the ability to plot my route, for me to tell it where I want to go and which way I want to go, if the mood takes me.
Its a Porsche, its a sports car, its made to be driven not to be used simply to get from A-B using the 'quickest' or 'shortest' route.
On the plus side.. the little map that you can get showing up in the dash is nice...
Given your list of options, you might feel more at home in a Mercedes A Class.
(In seriousness, Porsches become very expensive cars if you add all the kind of bumph that other manufacturers put in as standard or charge sensible money to add. You are getting raped if you spec up a Porsche.)
(In seriousness, Porsches become very expensive cars if you add all the kind of bumph that other manufacturers put in as standard or charge sensible money to add. You are getting raped if you spec up a Porsche.)
FeelingLucky said:
....the the 7 speed stick is not such a good box. A complex gate arrangement (through necessity due to number of ratios) locks out 7th from anything less than 5th or 6th....
Never understand why this would be a problem? How many times would you go from 3rd or 4th into 7th? Didn't Tiff or Chris Harris rave about the 991 manual 'box?
ORD said:
Given your list of options, you might feel more at home in a Mercedes A Class.
(In seriousness, Porsches become very expensive cars if you add all the kind of bumph that other manufacturers put in as standard or charge sensible money to add. You are getting raped if you spec up a Porsche.)
I think it's quite clear that I'm after more of a sports GT car rather than a outright sports car - the 991 fits that bill perfectly from what I can see. I should drive one to find out I guess! If I didn't require all the options then I could have a Evora S - they are brilliant sports cars. Too basic for me though.(In seriousness, Porsches become very expensive cars if you add all the kind of bumph that other manufacturers put in as standard or charge sensible money to add. You are getting raped if you spec up a Porsche.)
I'm not buying a new 991 so specing a car isn't going to be the issue as such. finding one with the everything on it might be though. Jag have gone against their usual grain on the F Type - very basic indeed as standard and very expensive when nicely kitted out. So its not just Porsche that do this. You are right though - it is quite annoying that the options cost so much!
SFO said:
PCM3 is standard on all 991s. Later cars will have 7 digit post code entry -- I think those built from Spring 13 onwards. Those that do not can be upgraded to do so at £150.
991 user control interfaces are light years ahead of XK .. unlike XK, 991 does not rely too much on the touch screen.
Good! Because frankly the Jag touchscreen encourages bad driving in so much as it encourages you to not look where you are going when you are too busy attempting to navigate the somewhat cumbersome touchscreen system. 991 user control interfaces are light years ahead of XK .. unlike XK, 991 does not rely too much on the touch screen.
yellowtang,
I think youe list of options is spot on. I personally would not touch a roadcar (rather than track car) that did not have all those options (plus climate control) included. Ignore the luddites who try and suggest you are in the wrong. I frankly find it amazing that Porsche get away with having things like auto-dim mirrors and wipers as an option. I speced pretty much all you listed on my Cayman S back in 2006, and haven't bought a car since 1998 that did not have them all.
I think you'll find a 991 with most of your options fairly easily, as most 991 new buyers are not stuck in 1983. However the heated windscreen is not available as an option (don't ford and JLR have the patent on that still?), and I think the keylessgo (if available) is not taken up by many people. Folder wing mirrors probably an issue to, and also note that DAB radio was not even available as an option until last 6-12 months.
I think youe list of options is spot on. I personally would not touch a roadcar (rather than track car) that did not have all those options (plus climate control) included. Ignore the luddites who try and suggest you are in the wrong. I frankly find it amazing that Porsche get away with having things like auto-dim mirrors and wipers as an option. I speced pretty much all you listed on my Cayman S back in 2006, and haven't bought a car since 1998 that did not have them all.
I think you'll find a 991 with most of your options fairly easily, as most 991 new buyers are not stuck in 1983. However the heated windscreen is not available as an option (don't ford and JLR have the patent on that still?), and I think the keylessgo (if available) is not taken up by many people. Folder wing mirrors probably an issue to, and also note that DAB radio was not even available as an option until last 6-12 months.
Edited by c7xlg on Monday 10th March 13:15
yellowtang said:
I think it's quite clear that I'm after more of a sports GT car rather than a outright sports car - the 991 fits that bill perfectly from what I can see. I should drive one to find out I guess! If I didn't require all the options then I could have a Evora S - they are brilliant sports cars. Too basic for me though.
I'm not buying a new 991 so specing a car isn't going to be the issue as such. finding one with the everything on it might be though. Jag have gone against their usual grain on the F Type - very basic indeed as standard and very expensive when nicely kitted out. So its not just Porsche that do this. You are right though - it is quite annoying that the options cost so much!
I use mine as my daily driver, mine is a non "S". It really is a one for all car. I regulary drive into central London from Staffordshire, drop sombody off, and immediatley turn back home. It is so comfortable and civilized on the motorway, but so much fun on A and B roads. I generally leave mine in Sport and change on the paddles. One with the Sport Design steering wheel would be good, not just for the paddles, it also feels great. One thing that you don't realize until you get one is just how practical a sports car they are. With the rear seats folded flat the luggage space is pretty huge really. I can't rate mine highly enough.I'm not buying a new 991 so specing a car isn't going to be the issue as such. finding one with the everything on it might be though. Jag have gone against their usual grain on the F Type - very basic indeed as standard and very expensive when nicely kitted out. So its not just Porsche that do this. You are right though - it is quite annoying that the options cost so much!
c7xlg said:
yellowtang,
I think youe list of options is spot on. I personally would not touch a roadcar (rather than track car) that did not have all those options (plus climate control) included. Ignore the luddites who try and suggest you are in the wrong. I frankly find it amazing that Porsche get away with having things like auto-dim mirrors and wipers as an option. I speced pretty much all you listed on my Cayman S back in 2006, and haven't bought a car since 1998 that did not have them all.
I think you'll find a 991 with most of your options fairly easily, as most 991 new buyers are not stuck in 1983. However the heated windscreen is not available as an option (don't ford and JLR have the patent on that still?), and I think the keylessgo (if available) is not taken up by many people. Folder wing mirrors probably an issue to, and also note that DAB radio was not even available as an option until last 6-12 months.
I'm glad that I'm not the only one that finds it amazing that manufacturers can supply such basic cars as standard then charge so much for the extras! This is precisely why I buy nearly new approved cars rather than new - let some other bugger take the hit on the options when trading in - you basically lose whatever you spent plus the normal depreciation. I think youe list of options is spot on. I personally would not touch a roadcar (rather than track car) that did not have all those options (plus climate control) included. Ignore the luddites who try and suggest you are in the wrong. I frankly find it amazing that Porsche get away with having things like auto-dim mirrors and wipers as an option. I speced pretty much all you listed on my Cayman S back in 2006, and haven't bought a car since 1998 that did not have them all.
I think you'll find a 991 with most of your options fairly easily, as most 991 new buyers are not stuck in 1983. However the heated windscreen is not available as an option (don't ford and JLR have the patent on that still?), and I think the keylessgo (if available) is not taken up by many people. Folder wing mirrors probably an issue to, and also note that DAB radio was not even available as an option until last 6-12 months.
Edited by c7xlg on Monday 10th March 13:15
Is climate control not standard either?
Also, what is Chrono package?
IPK said:
I use mine as my daily driver, mine is a non "S". It really is a one for all car. I regulary drive into central London from Staffordshire, drop sombody off, and immediatley turn back home. It is so comfortable and civilized on the motorway, but so much fun on A and B roads. I generally leave mine in Sport and change on the paddles. One with the Sport Design steering wheel would be good, not just for the paddles, it also feels great. One thing that you don't realize until you get one is just how practical a sports car they are. With the rear seats folded flat the luggage space is pretty huge really. I can't rate mine highly enough.
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