996 GT3 RS into 991 GT3
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V8KSN said:
996 GT3 RS to 991 GT3?
Depends entirely on what you want out of a GT3 IMO
Yes that's true that's the real point. Depends entirely on what you want out of a GT3 IMO
2k miles in a year In the RS which is woeful so at present I'm having a 964 C2 rebuilt so as to use more regularly.
My exige may go in the next two months so who knows maybe I could switch out of the RS and the exige and into a more 'everyday ' gt3
Just a thought
What about waiting for a 991RS, least Porsche may have got that one sorted when released! Can see why you would be tempted for a change, another big generation change. More than likely you wouldn't really loose out too much that way either and a change, would be hugely different experience I should imagine.
Stuart tanner said:
What about waiting for a 991RS, least Porsche may have got that one sorted when released! Can see why you would be tempted for a change, another big generation change. More than likely you wouldn't really loose out too much that way either and a change, would be hugely different experience I should imagine.
In the UK at least, the 991 gt3 has proven reasonably tricky to get an allocation and from what I understand if you're not a long time customer in an OPC's good books the 991 RS is going to prove very difficult indeed to get.LaSource said:
Worst 'I-have-a-996RS-please-make-me-an-offer' thread. And this is your third such thread/post 
Haha no that was never the intention just 'chewing the fat' as we all do. Edited by LaSource on Saturday 17th May 07:26
Yes I did consider selling the RS previously and we discussed it via PM but as you recall I decided not.
Sometimes views and priorities change as I'm sure you understand
Edited by langdale on Saturday 17th May 08:58
I am pulling your leg. I understand.
As someone said on this or another thread, the cost of change to a 997.2 RS has narrowed somewhat so if that is what one wants it can be tempting...or if you are just looking to cash out and do something else with the funds.
I can't help but feel there is some way to go yet with 996RS values...even though I have mixed feeling about that as it will invariably reduce the number of cars used in earnest.
As someone said on this or another thread, the cost of change to a 997.2 RS has narrowed somewhat so if that is what one wants it can be tempting...or if you are just looking to cash out and do something else with the funds.
I can't help but feel there is some way to go yet with 996RS values...even though I have mixed feeling about that as it will invariably reduce the number of cars used in earnest.
LaSource said:
I am pulling your leg. I understand.
As someone said on this or another thread, the cost of change to a 997.2 RS has narrowed somewhat so if that is what one wants it can be tempting...or if you are just looking to cash out and do something else with the funds.
I can't help but feel there is some way to go yet with 996RS values...even though I have mixed feeling about that as it will invariably reduce the number of cars used in earnest.
All understood matey. As someone said on this or another thread, the cost of change to a 997.2 RS has narrowed somewhat so if that is what one wants it can be tempting...or if you are just looking to cash out and do something else with the funds.
I can't help but feel there is some way to go yet with 996RS values...even though I have mixed feeling about that as it will invariably reduce the number of cars used in earnest.
Problem is they are all too good!
The difference is that if you move from 996 RS/E46 CSL to another RS type of limited production good design car, your money is likely to be relatively safe (notwithstanding any views on whether a 996 RS will peak higher than later RSs). However moving from a 996 RS/ E46 CSL to a mainstream new car probably not such a good idea
LaSource said:
The difference is that if you move from 996 RS/E46 CSL to another RS type of limited production good design car, your money is likely to be relatively safe (notwithstanding any views on whether a 996 RS will peak higher than later RSs). However moving from a 996 RS/ E46 CSL to a mainstream new car probably not such a good idea
From a financial standpoint most Definately true and the 991 GT3 will ease off eventually when the gen 2 and RS etc are released. 991 RS too rich for me sadly with other projects on the go/school fees etc.
Anyhow mate we 'chewed that fat' what's next ?
langdale said:
DiscoColin said:
Insanity IMHO. To elaborate would be pointless - you either agree or you really don't, and that is a preference issue that isn't worth debating.
Can you 'elaborate' pls Colin ? I see you own a 997RS
Is it the gear change preference you have an issue with ?
Tks
My: hasn't she grown. The changes to external measurements may only seem incremental, but the wide bodied 991 is starting to look awkward to my eye and is reaching a size where it doesn't really fit on UK roads, in car parks, etc...
The rear steering worries me. All previous mainstream implementations of such systems have been hydraulic, but the new Porsche system is an electric actuator in each wheel well. The load of it on the electrical system is such that they are no longer able to offer the hilariously overpriced lightweight battery and what is the life expectancy of it going to be like? What happens if (when?) it fails? Or will Porsche turn around like with the centre lock wheels and reclassify it as a consumable that is outside of the warranty scope and has to be replaced at your expense every 4200 track miles? What is it going to cost to fix? If you were to simply replace with conventional control arms - what will that do to the handling of a car with the longer wheelbase of a 991? And of course - what will it do to the feel of the car? I haven't driven one so cannot answer that, but with people saying that not only does it not feel like previous GT3s, but not even like a 911 I am not confident that I will actually enjoy driving it as much... Oh - and if you had designs of ever running slicks on it (which is fairness I _probably_ won't ever get around to) that isn't an option as the new steering hardware prevents using wheels of an appropriate size for them.
Will the PDK 'box be reliable with track use in the long term? The PDK gearbox has been around a few years and while there have been some cases of failures it seems to be fairly good so far. However, in the GT3 it turns at 9000rpm. It has allegedly had a fair degree of fettling, so the second most expensive item in the car after the engine is a completely unknown commodity for reliability and ownership cost.
I don't like the ergonomics of the paddles for the gearshift - the spacing from the wheel to the switches to the indicator stalks is all too crowded for my clumsy oversized fingers.
It still has centre lock wheels. I have these on my 997.2 and they are just a pain. The worst part is of course that Porsche has decreed that you have to replace the hubs, bearings and nuts at regular intervals when the car is used on track at very significant expense. The 991 does actually have a longer interval, but they are still lifed. This requirement doesn't apply to any non-centre lock car (where you simply replace the bearings when they wear out at service and there is no danger of a failure which could result in the wheel separating from the hub).
Consumables - each successive GT3 has cost more to own than the one before. Even those lovely 20" wheels are another £100+ on the cost of every set of tyres. Then there is servicing costs - 991s require the back half of the car to be stripped down even for a basic service, unlike all previous 911s.
The engine - it may indeed be epic, but it is brand new and completely unproven. Is the resolution to the cars burning down the only thing that will ever go wrong with it? All engines have weak points, but they are totally unknown on the new car and will remain so for some time.
Value. Your 996RS is very likely to appreciate in value, possibly significantly so. So unless you plan to be buried in it or are drowning in wealth then it is worth at least thinking about. I just don't see that happening with the 991. Maybe the RS. Maybe. But not the base car.
Even though I love my 997.2 Clubsport, I do still miss the slightly less refined driving characteristics of my old 996.2 GT3. You probably will too. If I were in your position, giving up your '6RS would only make any kind of sense if you were going into a 3.8RS or 4 litre. But as I said - it is ultimately a preference issue and many will just see the bonkers speed and easiness to drive of the 991 and run away from all of those things that made older GT3s what they were. The new car clearly represents progress, but it isn't really the same kind of car and there are just so many risks and unknowns about its long term ownership prospects that I am disinclined to gamble on getting into one any time soon.
Edited by DiscoColin on Saturday 17th May 14:48
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