Porsche 911 (930) Turbo Cabriolet
Discussion
HI Guys,
Wondering is some Porsche friend's/fans can help. Bit of an Aston man myself but a friend is considering selling their 911 (930) Turbo Cabriolet. Just wondering what everyone's thoughts on collectability, condition, value and just general thoughts as a classic Porsche?
Here is the basic spec:
Description Porsche 911 (930) 3.3 Turbo Cabriolet
Registration *** ***
Year 1990
Colour Slate Grey Metallic
Engine size 3,299 cc
Chassis No. WP0ZZZ93ZKS020***
Engine No. 67K00***
The first 911 3.0 Turbo appeared back in 1975 in what was intended to be a run of just 500 cars – little did Porsche know that nearly 40 years on they would still be making them!
Using an RS derived 3.0-litre flat-six air-cooled engine with a KKK turbo, a then-mind-blowing 260bhp and 253lb/ft torque was on tap, but only when the engine felt that it had spooled the turbo to sufficient revs to deliver. The effect was legendary, as was the turbo lag, giving the pilots of early cars near heroic status if they weren’t constantly picking bits of hedge out of the impressive over-size rear spoiler. Internally coded 930/30, they were cars of enormous character if limited brakes, those coming from the much less rapid 911S.
From 1978 a stretching of the bore and stroke raised the power output to 300bhp and 320lb/ft torque for the new 3.3 Turbo, the extra torque making the car much more usable, the turbo lag now moving into the realms of thrilling rather than intimidating, along with new brakes derived from the immortal 917 race car which meant that slowing down caused no concerns whatsoever.
1984 saw the arrival of the 930/66 Turbo, basically the same car fitted with Bosch KE Jetronic fuel injection and revised valve timing which delivered a 15% reduction in fuel consumption. The new twin-pipe exhaust was modified, the turbo’s wastegate now venting through its own silencer.
Updated further in 1986 with Motronic electronic ignition, the car finally reached maturity in 1989 with 16” wheels and a 5-speed gearbox based on the excellent G50 box with stronger cases and special ratios to cope with the extra torque. Offered since 1987 as a full cabriolet, the 911 Turbo was both brutally quick yet extremely civilised. Much rarer than the Coupe model, only 628 Turbo Cabriolets were made in total for the European market (plus 1,374 for the USA market) between 1987 and 1989 and all are keenly sought after today.
Delivered new on 1st August 1990 through JCT600 in Hull, this particular Turbo Cabriolet has the later 3.3-litre engine and 5-speed G50/50 gearbox, the chassis number indicating that it is number 218 of only 244 such cars made for the European market with this spec in 1989/90. It is finished in Slate Grey Metallic with a grey leather interior piped in red with optional Sports heated seats and a sports elevated hub steering wheel.
The vendor acquired the car in April 1996 from Dick Lovett in Swindon with 26,559 miles on the clock at a cost of £38,995 (invoice on file). The car has now covered some 94,000 miles, the service book showing seven stamps to date, the first four from JCT600 until 1994 by which time it had covered 20,168 miles and the next three at Dick Lovett in Swindon until 1998 by which time 52,879 miles were showing on the clock.
Further service bills from HR Owen in London in 2001 (including a new rear window) and 2002 total over £3,000, a new ignition control unit being fitted in 2004 by which time the mileage had risen to 87,000, an MOT from 2010 at 92,000 miles showing that it hasn’t gone very far since then.
Supplied with the car are the original owner’s handbook and service book, a 911 booklet, owner’s pocket guide, original Thatcham alarm manual, various invoices and many old MOTs and tax discs plus two sets of keys. The private plate shown, *** ***, is also included. It is hoped that the car will have a new MOT in time for the auction.
An extremely rare, late and well spec’d Cabriolet, in highly original condition throughout, this deeply desirable air-cooled 911 Turbo looks like a blue chip investment in today’s market and is being offered here from a deceased estate.
This is the draft auction shpeel as they may look to formally auction the car towards the end of the month but are not sure of the true value to a collector etc so some advice would be most welcome. Thanks.
Wondering is some Porsche friend's/fans can help. Bit of an Aston man myself but a friend is considering selling their 911 (930) Turbo Cabriolet. Just wondering what everyone's thoughts on collectability, condition, value and just general thoughts as a classic Porsche?
Here is the basic spec:
Description Porsche 911 (930) 3.3 Turbo Cabriolet
Registration *** ***
Year 1990
Colour Slate Grey Metallic
Engine size 3,299 cc
Chassis No. WP0ZZZ93ZKS020***
Engine No. 67K00***
The first 911 3.0 Turbo appeared back in 1975 in what was intended to be a run of just 500 cars – little did Porsche know that nearly 40 years on they would still be making them!
Using an RS derived 3.0-litre flat-six air-cooled engine with a KKK turbo, a then-mind-blowing 260bhp and 253lb/ft torque was on tap, but only when the engine felt that it had spooled the turbo to sufficient revs to deliver. The effect was legendary, as was the turbo lag, giving the pilots of early cars near heroic status if they weren’t constantly picking bits of hedge out of the impressive over-size rear spoiler. Internally coded 930/30, they were cars of enormous character if limited brakes, those coming from the much less rapid 911S.
From 1978 a stretching of the bore and stroke raised the power output to 300bhp and 320lb/ft torque for the new 3.3 Turbo, the extra torque making the car much more usable, the turbo lag now moving into the realms of thrilling rather than intimidating, along with new brakes derived from the immortal 917 race car which meant that slowing down caused no concerns whatsoever.
1984 saw the arrival of the 930/66 Turbo, basically the same car fitted with Bosch KE Jetronic fuel injection and revised valve timing which delivered a 15% reduction in fuel consumption. The new twin-pipe exhaust was modified, the turbo’s wastegate now venting through its own silencer.
Updated further in 1986 with Motronic electronic ignition, the car finally reached maturity in 1989 with 16” wheels and a 5-speed gearbox based on the excellent G50 box with stronger cases and special ratios to cope with the extra torque. Offered since 1987 as a full cabriolet, the 911 Turbo was both brutally quick yet extremely civilised. Much rarer than the Coupe model, only 628 Turbo Cabriolets were made in total for the European market (plus 1,374 for the USA market) between 1987 and 1989 and all are keenly sought after today.
Delivered new on 1st August 1990 through JCT600 in Hull, this particular Turbo Cabriolet has the later 3.3-litre engine and 5-speed G50/50 gearbox, the chassis number indicating that it is number 218 of only 244 such cars made for the European market with this spec in 1989/90. It is finished in Slate Grey Metallic with a grey leather interior piped in red with optional Sports heated seats and a sports elevated hub steering wheel.
The vendor acquired the car in April 1996 from Dick Lovett in Swindon with 26,559 miles on the clock at a cost of £38,995 (invoice on file). The car has now covered some 94,000 miles, the service book showing seven stamps to date, the first four from JCT600 until 1994 by which time it had covered 20,168 miles and the next three at Dick Lovett in Swindon until 1998 by which time 52,879 miles were showing on the clock.
Further service bills from HR Owen in London in 2001 (including a new rear window) and 2002 total over £3,000, a new ignition control unit being fitted in 2004 by which time the mileage had risen to 87,000, an MOT from 2010 at 92,000 miles showing that it hasn’t gone very far since then.
Supplied with the car are the original owner’s handbook and service book, a 911 booklet, owner’s pocket guide, original Thatcham alarm manual, various invoices and many old MOTs and tax discs plus two sets of keys. The private plate shown, *** ***, is also included. It is hoped that the car will have a new MOT in time for the auction.
An extremely rare, late and well spec’d Cabriolet, in highly original condition throughout, this deeply desirable air-cooled 911 Turbo looks like a blue chip investment in today’s market and is being offered here from a deceased estate.
This is the draft auction shpeel as they may look to formally auction the car towards the end of the month but are not sure of the true value to a collector etc so some advice would be most welcome. Thanks.
supersport said:
I know Porsche often sold certain models into the new models, but never seen a 1990 930 before and didn't know JCT had a Hull dealership.
IN 1990 JCT 600 Porsche dealership was in yeadon (leeds) opposite their Jeep/Mazda showroom. Worked there during summer holidays while at uni. JiggyJaggy said:
See Ya - PM sent.
Thanks for the feedback guys... any Porsche fans have any advice on the value and desirability of such a classic?
Air cooled turbos are always sort after. The fact that it's a cab will somewhat detract but they only gave them the G50 for 1 year I believe so that is a big plus as not so many. Also its a nice colour and looks in good nick. Thanks for the feedback guys... any Porsche fans have any advice on the value and desirability of such a classic?
I nearly bought very similar car 2 years ago for a smidgen less than £40K (reputable dealership) and interestingly I do not believe they have shot up since then, especially when you consider what 993Ts have done. This may be because they did shoot up about 4 years ago, well before the recent, meteoric rise of 3.2s.
Neither have I ever seen a 1990 3.3 model like that. I guess it must have been old stock being knocked out? The fact that it is last of the line is good.
This PH search would suggest you would still be looking around 40K, maybe a bit more...
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds?Aspiration=...
I think these went through a short spike in values in '89/90 when the market last went crazy and there was a rumour that Porsche would no longer build Turbos. For the next 20 years the market was on the floor.
It's now making a more educated recovery, and the most desirable aircooled cars seem to be sought after. Not sure about Turbo Cabs, but this one does have some desirable qualities. However, as a 'collectable' the mileage is a bit high and would need to be priced to reflect this. I'd say lower £30ks
It's now making a more educated recovery, and the most desirable aircooled cars seem to be sought after. Not sure about Turbo Cabs, but this one does have some desirable qualities. However, as a 'collectable' the mileage is a bit high and would need to be priced to reflect this. I'd say lower £30ks
Gassing Station | Porsche General | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff