997 gen2 or M3 CSL ???
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I'm in a dilemma and need your help
I've had my CSL for 3 years and it's a fantastic bit of kit with a sound track to die for
Only problem is I have the 911 itch.
I've been looking at c2s gen 2's PDK and love the thought of it but am scared
I'm going to make a big mistake. It's not about speed as I think the CSL would have
It licked on track but it's more about a creature comfort thing with performance and not worrying about
Losing money by putting a few miles on it.
What do you think gents ?????
I've had my CSL for 3 years and it's a fantastic bit of kit with a sound track to die for
Only problem is I have the 911 itch.
I've been looking at c2s gen 2's PDK and love the thought of it but am scared
I'm going to make a big mistake. It's not about speed as I think the CSL would have
It licked on track but it's more about a creature comfort thing with performance and not worrying about
Losing money by putting a few miles on it.
What do you think gents ?????
I've had all three. Very different cars. Csl is a great car, 997 is a great all rounder and less focused. Cayman R? Very very special. When you say cleaners do you mean the csl was faster? Highly unlikely but on the road it's not going to be an accurate comparison. In my experience never in a million Sundays.
Get an R (in PDK form) or keep the CSL.
Get an R (in PDK form) or keep the CSL.
Buy another and another what CSL or 911 ??
Regarding the cayman thing I can see it's touched a nerve
I thought he would pull my pants down being 10 years newer and
PDK double clutch but I was pushing him down the motorway and left him for dead
On a few roundabouts, proof is in the pudding I'm afraid.
Regarding the cayman thing I can see it's touched a nerve
I thought he would pull my pants down being 10 years newer and
PDK double clutch but I was pushing him down the motorway and left him for dead
On a few roundabouts, proof is in the pudding I'm afraid.
CSLmarson said:
Buy another and another what CSL or 911 ??
Regarding the cayman thing I can see it's touched a nerve
I thought he would pull my pants down being 10 years newer and
PDK double clutch but I was pushing him down the motorway and left him for dead
On a few roundabouts, proof is in the pudding I'm afraid.
Unless Miss Daisy was driving the R?! I'd keep the CSL. Never heard a bad word about them apart from the subframe and vanos issues which occur occasionally. I hear the SMG box can need a refresh from time to time too.Regarding the cayman thing I can see it's touched a nerve
I thought he would pull my pants down being 10 years newer and
PDK double clutch but I was pushing him down the motorway and left him for dead
On a few roundabouts, proof is in the pudding I'm afraid.
If i you were going to swap to a manual 911 I'd recommend it but fear PDK may be a bit dull for you. Try one out may be?
Cayman R is faster than a CSL in most circumstances. Vastly superior chassis, 10 year newer suspension, 100 kilos lighter.
That being said the CSL is still a very fast car, 7:50 ring time on cup tyres was it?
Theres a youtube vid of a Cayman R lapping the ring in 7:53 with standard tyres and a bit of traffic, so yeah its faster.
That being said the CSL is still a very fast car, 7:50 ring time on cup tyres was it?
Theres a youtube vid of a Cayman R lapping the ring in 7:53 with standard tyres and a bit of traffic, so yeah its faster.
I would keep the csl I think even without having driven one. The only reason to change would be to buy a manual 911 imo - and I own a 911. Not sure where csl prices are at in the UK, but in Germany I think it would be a straight swap to a gt3, which might be a great way to scratch that itch
Touched a nerve?? I couldn't give a toss, just stating facts, I'll repeat what I said before, I've owned all 3, and tracked all 3 extensively. Your CSL is categorically slower than an R in every way. But its more special, if I could have any of the 3 again? Depends on its intended use, I tracked all of my cars as much as I drove them on the road.
911 forget it unless it's a gt3 but prices are high. Or maybe a track focused 997 2?
Cayman R is a great package but only if you want to use it as intended.
CSL is brilliant but as prices climb it becomes less desirable as a track car especially if rumours are true regarding certain parts being discontinued.
Decide on what you want the car for, motorway drag racing? Neither of the above.
911 forget it unless it's a gt3 but prices are high. Or maybe a track focused 997 2?
Cayman R is a great package but only if you want to use it as intended.
CSL is brilliant but as prices climb it becomes less desirable as a track car especially if rumours are true regarding certain parts being discontinued.
Decide on what you want the car for, motorway drag racing? Neither of the above.
Thanks for the advice chaps,
I will have a long hard think about it all,
Your right regarding parts not being available any more
And that's one of my worries as well, I know people
That have had them sitting on the drive for 2 years
Waiting for new cams. My CSL has recently had a new head gasket,
Gearbox, clutch and sub frame so she is fresh as a daisy
At 70k miles so could hold on to her for a little longer
I will have a long hard think about it all,
Your right regarding parts not being available any more
And that's one of my worries as well, I know people
That have had them sitting on the drive for 2 years
Waiting for new cams. My CSL has recently had a new head gasket,
Gearbox, clutch and sub frame so she is fresh as a daisy
At 70k miles so could hold on to her for a little longer
CSLmarson said:
P.s
Cayman R is down as 8.06 at the nurburg
CSL 7.50
yes on cups but they are OEM so not modified in anyway
Fasteslaps.com
Just saying.
The time was set by Horst von Saurma, the journalist of Sportauto ... it is not the official lap time of the Cayman R ...Cayman R is down as 8.06 at the nurburg
CSL 7.50
yes on cups but they are OEM so not modified in anyway
Fasteslaps.com
Just saying.
For comparison (HvS did these lap times with the following models)
987.1 Cayman S: 8:25
Porsche Cayman S im Supertest auf Nordschleife und Hockenheimring - SPORT AUTO
987.2 Cayman S PDK: 8:17
987.2 Boxster S PDK: 8:18
Doppel-Supertest Porsche Boxster S: Was unterscheidet das Cabrio vom Coupé? - SPORT AUTO
CSL is very fast though, but on Hockenheim short for instance which is just 2,6 km its over a second behind the R.
http://fastestlaps.com/tracks/hockenheim_short.htm...
Edited by Vacationboy on Friday 16th January 08:30
Had a couple of CSL's and they're still in my top few most enjoyable cars to drive. Also owned a 7.2S which I found a little boring and both a pdk and manual Spyder which I guess is pretty much the same as the CR (as near as makes no difference).
Think you may find the CR a little clinical and lacking character. To replace your CSL I'd be looking at a 6GT3 Mk.2 or 7GT3 depending upon budget.
Think you may find the CR a little clinical and lacking character. To replace your CSL I'd be looking at a 6GT3 Mk.2 or 7GT3 depending upon budget.
Edited by porkaGT on Friday 16th January 08:30
GT3 is the only place to go after a CSL in terms of similar feel and performance. its the way I went. GT3 was the only porker I wanted after a CSL which is an epic car. I loved them and had 2 of them.
normal 911 (C2s) are great road cars and they have all the comforts. will feel too soft on track though compared to CSL so it depends on what you want if for.
normal 911 (C2s) are great road cars and they have all the comforts. will feel too soft on track though compared to CSL so it depends on what you want if for.
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