Anyone interested in a thread that doesn't mention values ?

[Scooty100]

I for one am bored stless about values, premiums and residuals.
Threads go from talking genuinely about cars and what they are like to drive to ' but it's an investment and will be worth x in 2yrs etc.
I get that losing money may be no fun but what experience/fun do you get from owning a car that you daren't drive incase it loses money.
So how about a thread that never mentions what it's worth and one where drivers of all abilities and interests share their REAL experiences .
I have made and lost in equal measure but first and foremost I buy a car I want.

Anyone else feel the same ?

[ttdan]

Yes and im so pleased the "50 cars" thread has died, reading that was akin to a herion habit, it was fun but ultimately not that good for you...

[Scooty100]

ttdan said:

Yes and im so pleased the "50 cars" thread has died, reading that was akin to a herion habit, it was fun but ultimately not that good for you...

So I'm going from a 997 gt3 to a gt4 having had a full house of air cooled and 2 997 gt3's and 6rs. So what comparisons do we think I'll draw now going from ownership of 9 911's to the gt4?

[ttdan]

Scooty100 said:
So I'm going from a 997 gt3 to a gt4 having had a full house of air cooled and 2 997 gt3's and 6rs. So what comparisons do we think I'll draw now going from ownership of 9 911's to the gt4?


I think you will sell it within a year and put it down to an experiment that went wrong.

[RDMcG]

I'm in!…have no real interest in speculating and hang onto most of my cars for long periods anyway. So, up or down, not much of a decision point for me.

[arcticGT]

I think you'll sell it after 6mths and make a profit on it.

[ttdan]

arcticGT said:

I think you'll sell it after 6mths and make a profit on it.

Careful, you are bringing money into the discussion..

I see the GT4 as a car to aspire to if you haven't owned a GT3. If you have owned a GT3 then its "downsizing" to which i would wonder, if you dont need the money, why?

[Scooty100]

I don't need the cash it's an experience thing. Worse case I say it's not for me and buy another gt3. I can see the gt4 as a very good 'hooning' car and if it comes off then maybe the gt4rs then maybe into a 991gt3. You see then I've tried even more . I don't get attached to cars

Edited by Scooty100 on Friday 21st August 20:56

[ttdan]

I guess thats the problem with buying cars without driving them first. I watched the vids on the Gt4 and thought entry level gt3 with a manual box to address the hysteria about the pdk only GT3. Would you have done the same without the supposed "cast irion" residuals? Dont answer that 😀

[sidicks]

ttdan said:

I guess thats the problem with buying cars without driving them first. I watched the vids on the Gt4 and thought entry level gt3 with a manual box to address the hysteria about the pdk only GT3. Would you have done the same without the supposed "cast irion" residuals? Dont answer that ??

Given how highly regarded the normal Cayman is, I'm sure that most people wanting that sort of car would have taken the risk (if it even is a risk) with the GT4.

[ttdan]

sidicks said:

ttdan said:

I guess thats the problem with buying cars without driving them first. I watched the vids on the Gt4 and thought entry level gt3 with a manual box to address the hysteria about the pdk only GT3. Would you have done the same without the supposed "cast irion" residuals? Dont answer that ??

Given how highly regarded the normal Cayman is, I'm sure that most people wanting that sort of car would have taken the risk (if it even is a risk) with the GT4.

Sure, but i thought we were comparing to Gt3 not Cayman GTS

[Scooty100]

No no we can compare any car that's the point in the thread but NO values :-)

[PR36]

I bought my 987.1 Cayman S because it was worthless on account of its chocolate engine. I then pondered long and hard on how i could reduce its inherent yield curve even more as i was concerned it wasn't worthless enough. So i reasoned the best thing to do was to plough 10k into it on modifications. This has a double benefit in terms of its worthlessness, firstly i will never see this 10k again and secondly come resale time i won't be able to sell the car. Frequenting this forum though, i do lay awake at night contemplating the sheer horror of someone posting a 'the first 987.1 S at 10k' thread suggesting that suddenly values are rising sharply and so i console myself in the knowledge that my car will bore score long before that happens and i am therefore left with a near total loss.

Edited by PR36 on Friday 21st August 22:16

[Oso]

Scooty100 said:

I don't need the cash it's an experience thing. Worse case I say it's not for me and buy another gt3. I can see the gt4 as a very good 'hooning' car and if it comes off then maybe the gt4rs then maybe into a 991gt3. You see then I've tried even more . I don't get attached to cars

Edited by Scooty100 on Friday 21st August 20:56

Hey Scooty I think as a serial 911 owner you might miss the rear engine layout which is obviously a unique and special thing but you'll find it fun getting to know a mid-engined Porker and what a car to do it in. I hope you're right about the hooning. Nothing wrong with trying out lots of cars, I get too attached to mine, causes no end of issues. Great thread idea, hope it's well supported.

[Oso]

RDMcG said:

I'm in!…have no real interest in speculating and hang onto most of my cars for long periods anyway. So, up or down, not much of a decision point for me.

Hey RDMcG I was wondering did you consider adding a GT4 to your fleet? How is the baby GT car viewed on that side of the pond?

Edited by Oso on Friday 21st August 22:31

[Scooty100]

Oso said:

Hey Scooty I think as a serial 911 owner you might miss the rear engine layout which is obviously a unique and special thing but you'll find it fun getting to know a mid-engined Porker and what a car to do it in. I hope you're right about the hooning. Nothing wrong with trying out lots of cars, I get too attached to mine, causes no end of issues. Great thread idea, hope it's well supported.

Good man as do I .
The point is no point looking back when I'm too old wondering what all these cars were like to own and more importantly experience and it's too late . Yes I get the idea of having a car that does all you need and that is the exception but let's hear why.
The great thing about porsche is that there are enough cars and variants to suit all needs which is why I love the brand so after 9 911's it's time to try another model and the cayman I think has now come of age.
I'm actually a fan of the boxster as well especially the spyder models and hope to experience those as well

Edited by Scooty100 on Friday 21st August 22:42

[Scooty100]

PR36 said:

I bought my 987.1 Cayman S because it was worthless on account of its chocolate engine. I then pondered long and hard on how i could reduce its inherent yield curve even more as i was concerned it wasn't worthless enough. So i reasoned the best thing to do was to plough 10k into it on modifications. This has a double benefit in terms of its worthlessness, firstly i will never see this 10k again and secondly come resale time i won't be able to sell the car. Frequenting this forum though, i do lay awake at night contemplating the sheer horror of someone posting a 'the first 987.1 S at 10k' thread suggesting that suddenly values are rising sharply and so i console myself in the knowledge that my car will bore score long before that happens and i am therefore left with a near total loss.

Edited by PR36 on Friday 21st August 22:16

Love this . Pr36 I'm not yet up to speed on the cayman variants really but on a recent trip to spa I met a lovely chap in a 2013 cayman s pdk who had put a 991 S in with 100 cell cats and other mods. He uses it purely for track days, has no interest in residuals and is still looking to add . Also the car was awesome at Spa and clearly he'd owned lots of previous cars

[Scooty100]

PR36 said:

I bought my 987.1 Cayman S because it was worthless on account of its chocolate engine. I then pondered long and hard on how i could reduce its inherent yield curve even more as i was concerned it wasn't worthless enough. So i reasoned the best thing to do was to plough 10k into it on modifications. This has a double benefit in terms of its worthlessness, firstly i will never see this 10k again and secondly come resale time i won't be able to sell the car. Frequenting this forum though, i do lay awake at night contemplating the sheer horror of someone posting a 'the first 987.1 S at 10k' thread suggesting that suddenly values are rising sharply and so i console myself in the knowledge that my car will bore score long before that happens and i am therefore left with a near total loss.

Edited by PR36 on Friday 21st August 22:16

Love this . Pr36 I'm not yet up to speed on the cayman variants really but on a recent trip to spa I met a lovely chap in a 2013 cayman s pdk who had put a 991 S in with 100 cell cats and other mods. He uses it purely for track days, has no interest in residuals and is still looking to add . Also the car was awesome at Spa and clearly he'd owned lots of previous cars

[Oso]

Scooty100 said:

Good man as do I .
The point is no point looking back when I'm too old wondering what all these cars were like to own and more importantly experience and it's too late . Yes I get the idea of having a car that does all you need and that is the exception but let's hear why.
The great thing about porsche is that there are enough cars and variants to suit all needs which is why I love the brand so after 9 911's it's time to try another model and the gt4 I think has now come of age.
I'm actually a fan of the booster as well especially the spyder models and hope to experience those as well

Totally - I"ve sort of come to realise that saying goodbye to a car is an important part of the whole ownership experience. I think getting attached enough to a car to really understand it is cool, but even better to be able to accept when my time with it is over and move onto the next thing. I am planning to use my GT4 as my only car so any journey just me or with one of the kids will be in that and will be my track car too of course. See how many miles I can put on it in a year My missus never took to the idea of a 911 as a family car, unfortunately so she drives the family wagon.

[RSVP911]

Scooty100 said:

So I'm going from a 997 gt3 to a gt4 having had a full house of air cooled and 2 997 gt3's and 6rs. So what comparisons do we think I'll draw now going from ownership of 9 911's to the gt4?

Great idea , this thread - I am also sick to death of most of the recent PH content - it's amazing how it's changed in the last 18 months or so - as such , good luck with the thread - consider it bookmarked .

I'd love a GT4 , I think they look epic and I'm sure it will be great fun to drive - compact and manual - what's not to love ? I saw one at the RS reveal at the PEC - the RS looked huge in comparison and although I'm very excited about getting mine , I did look at the 4 and thought how simple , honest and fun it looked - especially compared to the RS which looked like a very serious , humourless weapon . When do you get it ?