991.1 Turbo S vs 991.1 GTS vs 991.2 C2S
Discussion
Three cars: 991.1 Turbo S, 991.1 GTS (both "obsolete" as of next month), and the brand new 991.2 Carrera S.
There are big discounts to be had on a new Turbo S from stock, limited discounts (and very little choice) on a GTS, and peanuts off a new order 991.2 C2S. We're probably looking at £130k for the Turbo S, and £100k for either the GTS or 991.2 C2S. I plan to use the eventual car as daily driver, and will probably keep it for 18 months.
Having driven the Turbo S and GTS back to back, the Turbo S is truly a weapon, but how often do we get to use the added performance on UK roads (as opposed to German de-restricted autobahns)? And is that added performance worth £30k more than a GTS or 991.2? Moreover, the soundtrack of the Turbo S is underwhelming. The GTS is a special car, but below the skin it is just a regular 991 C2S with a stack of options ticked. It looks and sounds great, but it is also trying (a little) to be a "mini GT3", when in reality it just isn't.
The 991.2 C2S has nearly the same power as the GTS, plus some very nice extras like rear-axle steering, personalised drive-train settings - and an almighty torque advantage all the way down from 1,750 RPM. So the 991.2 should make for exhilarating driving, even if the soundtrack may have suffered due to forced induction. It is, however, a "cooking" 911, of which there will be a great many around - and with not more than 2.5% discount from list available, the depreciation hit over 18 months will quite possibly be a chunk higher than that on a GTS. The Turbo S, meanwhile, will for sure depreciate more than either of the other two cars, but with such a large discount off the list price, the hit might not be that disastrous.
So, PH Massive: what should I do?
thanks for your help!
There are big discounts to be had on a new Turbo S from stock, limited discounts (and very little choice) on a GTS, and peanuts off a new order 991.2 C2S. We're probably looking at £130k for the Turbo S, and £100k for either the GTS or 991.2 C2S. I plan to use the eventual car as daily driver, and will probably keep it for 18 months.
Having driven the Turbo S and GTS back to back, the Turbo S is truly a weapon, but how often do we get to use the added performance on UK roads (as opposed to German de-restricted autobahns)? And is that added performance worth £30k more than a GTS or 991.2? Moreover, the soundtrack of the Turbo S is underwhelming. The GTS is a special car, but below the skin it is just a regular 991 C2S with a stack of options ticked. It looks and sounds great, but it is also trying (a little) to be a "mini GT3", when in reality it just isn't.
The 991.2 C2S has nearly the same power as the GTS, plus some very nice extras like rear-axle steering, personalised drive-train settings - and an almighty torque advantage all the way down from 1,750 RPM. So the 991.2 should make for exhilarating driving, even if the soundtrack may have suffered due to forced induction. It is, however, a "cooking" 911, of which there will be a great many around - and with not more than 2.5% discount from list available, the depreciation hit over 18 months will quite possibly be a chunk higher than that on a GTS. The Turbo S, meanwhile, will for sure depreciate more than either of the other two cars, but with such a large discount off the list price, the hit might not be that disastrous.
So, PH Massive: what should I do?
thanks for your help!
Does it have to brand new?
A lot of young GTS's about with remainder of 3yrs warranty and low-miles would probably be where I would go - especially if only keeping for 18 months. It's a buyers market on these atm. Aim to spend approx £90k and limit your depreciation (if it's of concern). Cracking 'daily' car is the GTS.
A lot of young GTS's about with remainder of 3yrs warranty and low-miles would probably be where I would go - especially if only keeping for 18 months. It's a buyers market on these atm. Aim to spend approx £90k and limit your depreciation (if it's of concern). Cracking 'daily' car is the GTS.
That's a very good point Phooey and sage advice, 90k gets a nearly new GTS, or at that money you could get a 991 50 year edition which is a really nice retro looking modern 911 which won't lose a lot over 18 months.
I kind of think the 991 50th is a bit of a Sports classic type car for 200k less.
I kind of think the 991 50th is a bit of a Sports classic type car for 200k less.
RankAmateur said:
Three cars: 991.1 Turbo S, 991.1 GTS (both "obsolete" as of next month), and the brand new 991.2 Carrera S.
There are big discounts to be had on a new Turbo S from stock, limited discounts (and very little choice) on a GTS, and peanuts off a new order 991.2 C2S. We're probably looking at £130k for the Turbo S, and £100k for either the GTS or 991.2 C2S. I plan to use the eventual car as daily driver, and will probably keep it for 18 months.
Having driven the Turbo S and GTS back to back, the Turbo S is truly a weapon, but how often do we get to use the added performance on UK roads (as opposed to German de-restricted autobahns)? And is that added performance worth £30k more than a GTS or 991.2? Moreover, the soundtrack of the Turbo S is underwhelming. The GTS is a special car, but below the skin it is just a regular 991 C2S with a stack of options ticked. It looks and sounds great, but it is also trying (a little) to be a "mini GT3", when in reality it just isn't.
The 991.2 C2S has nearly the same power as the GTS, plus some very nice extras like rear-axle steering, personalised drive-train settings - and an almighty torque advantage all the way down from 1,750 RPM. So the 991.2 should make for exhilarating driving, even if the soundtrack may have suffered due to forced induction. It is, however, a "cooking" 911, of which there will be a great many around - and with not more than 2.5% discount from list available, the depreciation hit over 18 months will quite possibly be a chunk higher than that on a GTS. The Turbo S, meanwhile, will for sure depreciate more than either of the other two cars, but with such a large discount off the list price, the hit might not be that disastrous.
So, PH Massive: what should I do?
thanks for your help!
I have the same predicament as you. I have just sold a 991 GTS 2 PDK - I liked it a lot, but didn't love it. It feels different enough from a C2S with its GTS interior etc, and the power kit while not making it feel much quicker, it does make a nicer sound than a base 3.8. There are big discounts to be had on a new Turbo S from stock, limited discounts (and very little choice) on a GTS, and peanuts off a new order 991.2 C2S. We're probably looking at £130k for the Turbo S, and £100k for either the GTS or 991.2 C2S. I plan to use the eventual car as daily driver, and will probably keep it for 18 months.
Having driven the Turbo S and GTS back to back, the Turbo S is truly a weapon, but how often do we get to use the added performance on UK roads (as opposed to German de-restricted autobahns)? And is that added performance worth £30k more than a GTS or 991.2? Moreover, the soundtrack of the Turbo S is underwhelming. The GTS is a special car, but below the skin it is just a regular 991 C2S with a stack of options ticked. It looks and sounds great, but it is also trying (a little) to be a "mini GT3", when in reality it just isn't.
The 991.2 C2S has nearly the same power as the GTS, plus some very nice extras like rear-axle steering, personalised drive-train settings - and an almighty torque advantage all the way down from 1,750 RPM. So the 991.2 should make for exhilarating driving, even if the soundtrack may have suffered due to forced induction. It is, however, a "cooking" 911, of which there will be a great many around - and with not more than 2.5% discount from list available, the depreciation hit over 18 months will quite possibly be a chunk higher than that on a GTS. The Turbo S, meanwhile, will for sure depreciate more than either of the other two cars, but with such a large discount off the list price, the hit might not be that disastrous.
So, PH Massive: what should I do?
thanks for your help!
A Turbo S is tempting, but I am drawn to a new 991.2, and intrigued to experience what their new 3.0T engine is like to live with. A facelifted 911 is rarely worse than the outgoing model.
With regard to depreciation, I suspect all 3 of these cars will suffer similar levels...I don't think there'll be a huge amount in it, and besides, I'm just after the most fun car.
Someone mentioned a 50th Anniversary 991. I had one for a few months while my GT3 was parked up, having its engine swap. I really liked it, and they seem to be trading for not much less than list....I think I'd still prefer a 991.2, but I would consider it...
Sorry I couldn't be more definitive in my advice..!
RankAmateur said:
The GTS is a special car, but below the skin it is just a regular 991 C2S with a stack of options ticked.
It's a lot more than a 2S with options. A lot of tweaking has gone into the car.And I wouldn't say it's trying to be a GT3 in anyway, completely compliant, 4 seats, glass sunroof etc. I love mine as an everyday car. I tried a Turbo S, rocketship but a bit removed and sounds isn't as good.
Residuals long term on the GTS will probably be better than the 991.2. Just like the 997 GTS.
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