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Following on from the very interesting GT3/CSL thread: GT3 or 964RS
Which should I go for as a step up from a 968Sport?
I'm keen on the 964 as it has the 'classic' 911 look, however the GT3 should be a lot faster as it has at least 100bhp more and it's much newer & a highly rated car. A 993RS would be nice but personally can't justify the cost compared to the 964/GT3 alternative. I'm only after a LHD car as it'll be mainly used for track days and european excursions.
Plus points for the 964 are pretty solid residuals, it's cheaper (therefore less concerned about stuffing it).
For the GT3 - engine based on GT1..., Manthey conversion..., all sounds _so_ sexy!
cheers,
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Which should I go for as a step up from a 968Sport?
I'm keen on the 964 as it has the 'classic' 911 look, however the GT3 should be a lot faster as it has at least 100bhp more and it's much newer & a highly rated car. A 993RS would be nice but personally can't justify the cost compared to the 964/GT3 alternative. I'm only after a LHD car as it'll be mainly used for track days and european excursions.
Plus points for the 964 are pretty solid residuals, it's cheaper (therefore less concerned about stuffing it).
For the GT3 - engine based on GT1..., Manthey conversion..., all sounds _so_ sexy!
cheers,
AA
The 964 RS is very much old school 911 in terms of it's driving feel. You really feel the weight transfer far more in the 964RS. This sensation is much less in the standard GT3. This gives you more confidence in the GT3 and less in the 964RS. You could argue that makes the 964RS a little more challenging to drive and more rewarding. I would guess the GT3 camp might not agree. The GT3 will always be the quicker car given both cars are near standard spec. But the margin is very small and both cars are tunable. Given that the 94RS will be about 10-15k cheaper this would give you a very helpfull tuning/service buget. Colin Belton of Ninemaster can get 340hp + out of the 964RS engine so there is plenty of scope. The GT3 is also tunable but you will have already laid out a substantial amount of cash for the car. The GT3 is though newer and more refined generally with more creature comforts. so I suppose it boils down to what you want out of the car and what you want to spend 45k ish gets you a GT3 or a 964RS with a track day buget of 5k and a 10k tuning buget !!!!!!!!!!!
I considered these alternatives before buying my GT3 mk1 (lhd) for same money as 993RS lhd (a coule of months ago).
It was a very close decision between the two. I had a 993 for 5 yrs before the change and loved it.
Swayed by finding a virtually unused GT3 (under 2k miles) which looked fresh out of the box. Newer car, more power, better on paper performance coupled with the great write ups made my mind up.
Depreciation wise, i'll probably lose a bit compared to 993RS but longer term (5 yrs) i reckon price of 993RS and GT3 mk1 both LHD will probably still be quite close together. The 993 will be older and will have travelled more.
It was a very close decision between the two. I had a 993 for 5 yrs before the change and loved it.
Swayed by finding a virtually unused GT3 (under 2k miles) which looked fresh out of the box. Newer car, more power, better on paper performance coupled with the great write ups made my mind up.
Depreciation wise, i'll probably lose a bit compared to 993RS but longer term (5 yrs) i reckon price of 993RS and GT3 mk1 both LHD will probably still be quite close together. The 993 will be older and will have travelled more.
I personally would go for a GT3 with Manthey engine and suspension. The 964RS is great - I've had one for 8 years now - but I'm looking to go a little quicker now. The overall GT3-MR package is simply fantastic. However, I'd need to find 30K, I guess, which is a real problem.
For an upgrade from a 968 I would have thought a 964RS and excellent choice.
For an upgrade from a 968 I would have thought a 964RS and excellent choice.
There's no right or wrong answer here.
I love the 993 RS. However, I would have had a 964 RS but I prefer the looks of the 993 RS far more. Shallow, but true I'm afraid. I believe the 993 RS will be the most sought after compared to 964 RS and GT3. A well tuned comfort version can be all things to all men because it is:
Pretty
Rare
Fast (if you give it 340 BHP)
Old school yet comfortable
The 964 RS is the track choice because it is great value for money. Tuning is way easier than the 993 RS or GT3, you get better gains for your money.
The Mk1 GT3 is a great all rounder. I would rather travel to a track day in one of these than either the 993 RS or 964 RS. However, with its modern interior, some of the magic has gone. It is also quite a heavy car. On the other hand, it is fast and the engine in my view doesn't need tuning. Far better to do brake and suspension upgrades and spend the rest on tuition and track days.
What you could do is supercharge your 968. I bet you would be quicker on a lap in such a car than any 911. I'm serious.
I love the 993 RS. However, I would have had a 964 RS but I prefer the looks of the 993 RS far more. Shallow, but true I'm afraid. I believe the 993 RS will be the most sought after compared to 964 RS and GT3. A well tuned comfort version can be all things to all men because it is:
Pretty
Rare
Fast (if you give it 340 BHP)
Old school yet comfortable
The 964 RS is the track choice because it is great value for money. Tuning is way easier than the 993 RS or GT3, you get better gains for your money.
The Mk1 GT3 is a great all rounder. I would rather travel to a track day in one of these than either the 993 RS or 964 RS. However, with its modern interior, some of the magic has gone. It is also quite a heavy car. On the other hand, it is fast and the engine in my view doesn't need tuning. Far better to do brake and suspension upgrades and spend the rest on tuition and track days.
What you could do is supercharge your 968. I bet you would be quicker on a lap in such a car than any 911. I'm serious.
Thanks for the info. all - good points.
Now for potentially offending many people in one hit:
1. I'm not that taken by the looks of 993 compared to earlier 911's.
2. Whilst I really like my 968 (& will most likely keep it) it's just not a "proper Porsche" - they're flat six & air-cooled.
3. Quite fancy a GT3 - can't offer any rationale for this other than it must be the petrol in my blood. (Despite it having a radiator).
Black or Rubystone 964 or Black GT3 Mmmmmmmmmmmmm.....
Now for potentially offending many people in one hit:
1. I'm not that taken by the looks of 993 compared to earlier 911's.
2. Whilst I really like my 968 (& will most likely keep it) it's just not a "proper Porsche" - they're flat six & air-cooled.
3. Quite fancy a GT3 - can't offer any rationale for this other than it must be the petrol in my blood. (Despite it having a radiator).
Black or Rubystone 964 or Black GT3 Mmmmmmmmmmmmm.....
GT3 out of the box is not as track focused as you may think, it can have massive understeer,but just a simple set up will sort that out.
I have the Manthey engine and suspension upgrade on mine, and on track it is totally awesome !!
Thing is though, the more track focused it becomes, the less friendly it is to live with day to day, as the suspension is rock hard !!!
The 964 RS is so good mainly due to ts low weight, but it is getting on a bit (id love one !)
Gt3 is newer and sharper.
G.
I have the Manthey engine and suspension upgrade on mine, and on track it is totally awesome !!
Thing is though, the more track focused it becomes, the less friendly it is to live with day to day, as the suspension is rock hard !!!
The 964 RS is so good mainly due to ts low weight, but it is getting on a bit (id love one !)
Gt3 is newer and sharper.
G.
Closer than you might like to think:
964RS std remapped = 1170kg + 300bhp = 256bhp/tonne
964RS with Motec = 1170kg + 325bhp = 278bhp/tonne
964RS with Motec +1 = 1170kg + 350bhp* = 299bhp/tonne
*best result to date, 340 more usual.
Mk1 GT3 standard = 1360kg + 360bhp = 264bhp/tonne
Manthey GT3 = 1360kg + 410bhp? = 301bhp/tonne
Maybe I should get to work on the Motec +2 with 375bhp and then it's game over?
964RS std remapped = 1170kg + 300bhp = 256bhp/tonne
964RS with Motec = 1170kg + 325bhp = 278bhp/tonne
964RS with Motec +1 = 1170kg + 350bhp* = 299bhp/tonne
*best result to date, 340 more usual.
Mk1 GT3 standard = 1360kg + 360bhp = 264bhp/tonne
Manthey GT3 = 1360kg + 410bhp? = 301bhp/tonne
Maybe I should get to work on the Motec +2 with 375bhp and then it's game over?
I'd try and get past your personal view of the 993 styling.
The 993 RS is by far the best option here. It has all the older school character of an air cooled, the modern drive over a 964, and the best residuals of all of them.
Truly a no-brainer decision IMO.
Lots of nice ones ( and some lovely 964 RS as well ) here:
www.gtclassics.co.uk
The 993 RS is by far the best option here. It has all the older school character of an air cooled, the modern drive over a 964, and the best residuals of all of them.
Truly a no-brainer decision IMO.
Lots of nice ones ( and some lovely 964 RS as well ) here:
www.gtclassics.co.uk
Great link (wallet's twitching). My memory of Rubystone doesn't quite match the pics - looks a bit too pink. I'll revise Rubstone to Maritime Blue - how could I forget that!
Ideal compromise would be a blue-wheeled GT3-RS, however something else'd be twitching if I ventured onto the 'ring at that price!
A 964 RS 9M may be the solution...
Forgot to ask - what's the difference between an RS & a Cup car?
>> Edited by aasc on Friday 18th March 14:41
Ideal compromise would be a blue-wheeled GT3-RS, however something else'd be twitching if I ventured onto the 'ring at that price!
A 964 RS 9M may be the solution...
Forgot to ask - what's the difference between an RS & a Cup car?
>> Edited by aasc on Friday 18th March 14:41
aasc said:
Great link (wallet's twitching). My memory of Rubystone doesn't quite match the pics - looks a bit too pink. I'll revise Rubstone to Maritime Blue - how could I forget that!
Rubystone - a kind of raspberry, especially when the sun is over the yardarm.
I have to say though that for maximum resale, it's got to be Maritime.
Incidentally, GT Classics sold my old Rubystone RS recently. Paul Mclean tells me it is as perfect now as it as when I owned it
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