Putting P O R S C H E badge back on

[SkinnyPete]

Do you think you could put the P O R S C H E badge back on a 981 without a template? How would you do it?

Like an asshole I thought it would look better if I took it off, but I don't like it. A new badge is £65 but I fear without a template it's going to be a hard job getting the letters back in the original place.

[AW10]

As I understand it there's template in the workshop manual/info - ask the parts chap nicely and perhaps they'll help?

[breadvan]

An approved body shop should be able to help also.

[Koln-RS]

IMO it looks better without. Everyone knows it's a P O R S C H E. Less badging the better.

[dvshannow]

SkinnyPete said:

Like an asshole I thought it would look better if I took it off.....

i've heard of some ahole moves but this prob tops them all what were you thinking man!

[Stirlings]

I discovered a couple of years ago that its not as easy as you think
most manufacturers will sell you badges correctly spaced on grease proof paper type backing with clear film on the front
so you take off the backing paper, position the badge press down and peel off the clear plastic.
the Porsche lettering is lets say 60cm wide, but comes on a 30 cm film

You need a frame that attaches via suction cups to the boot lid, then a vacuum formed plastic panel sits in the frame and you put each individual letter through the plastic panel.
The first time i repainted a 991 rear bumper i discovered this, a set of Porsche 911 Carerra S badges costs approx £140, plus you need a frame and insert
the frame is over £300 plus vat
the inserts over a 3100 +vat each
when i bought my frame in 2014, Porsche Readings bodyshop didn't even have a frame and insert, but charge and hour and half's labour to fit the badges.
i spoke to 2 other OPC bodyshops and they never knew of the frames and inserts and asked me for the part numbers

I eventually suggested my local OPC sell me a frame at cost and i'd share it with them and leave it with them,( so i had the frame and insert before Porsche GB's bodyshop!!) it still cost me over £300 +vat and Porsche have different inserts for
Porsche 911
Porsche 911 Carrera S
Porsche 911 Carrera 4S
Porsche 911 Targa 4
Porsche 911 Carrera GTS

theres different frames and inserts for Cayman , Boxster, Macan & Cayenne

Edited by Stirlings on Wednesday 31st May 15:26

[Tim bo]

Koln-RS said:

IMO it looks better without. Everyone knows it's a P O R S C H E. Less badging the better.

At least on the 981 it's subtle.

One of the things I'm not too fond of on my 718 CS is the blatant P O R S C H E across the black strip at the back. It's a bit too in-yer-face for my tastes.

[Slippydiff]

dvshannow said:

SkinnyPete said:

Like an asshole I thought it would look better if I took it off.....

i've heard of some ahole moves but this prob tops them all what were you thinking man!

Would've been far easier to have spent half an hour with some masking tape, a sharp pencil and a ruler/tape measure to document accurately where the original badge was fixed ...... Obviously in your haste to remove said badge, this wasn't high on your agenda .....

Likewise if you'd used plenty of masking take to protect the car's paintwork prior to removing the badge, you wouldn't have damaged the paintwork either .....

Tar and glue remover will shift any amount of badge/wheel weight adhesive/foam it you use plenty of it AND you're patient....... (ahhh, therein probably lies the problem)

[SkinnyPete]

Stirlings said:

I discovered a couple of years ago that its not as easy as you think
most manufacturers will sell you badges correctly spaced on grease proof paper type backing with clear film on the front
so you take off the backing paper, position the badge press down and peel off the clear plastic.
the Porsche lettering is lets say 60cm wide, but comes on a 30 cm film

You need a frame that attaches via suction cups to the boot lid, then a vacuum formed plastic panel sits in the frame and you put each individual letter through the plastic panel.
The first time i repainted a 991 rear bumper i discovered this, a set of Porsche 911 Carerra S badges costs approx £140, plus you need a frame and insert
the frame is over £300 plus vat
the inserts over a 3100 +vat each
when i bought my frame in 2014, Porsche Readings bodyshop didn't even have a frame and insert, but charge and hour and half's labour to fit the badges.
i spoke to 2 other OPC bodyshops and they never knew of the frames and inserts and asked me for the part numbers

I eventually suggested my local OPC sell me a frame at cost and i'd share it with them and leave it with them,( so i had the frame and insert before Porsche GB's bodyshop!!) it still cost me over £300 +vat and Porsche have different inserts for
Porsche 911
Porsche 911 Carrera S
Porsche 911 Carrera 4S
Porsche 911 Targa 4
Porsche 911 Carrera GTS

theres different frames and inserts for Cayman , Boxster, Macan & Cayenne

Edited by Stirlings on Wednesday 31st May 15:26

Holy crap! So how much do you charge the customer, badge + labour?

[Slippydiff]

SkinnyPete said:

Holy crap! So how much do you charge the customer, badge + labour?

I'd hazard a guess at "probably more than you'd be willing to pay".....
But I'd imagine when his company apply the badges, they most likely look like they've been fitted by the factory AND as a result of having the correct jig, it's done right first time.Every time. Either way, the cost to benefit ratio stacks up.

[Baz99]

You use a scalpel to cut the letters out of the backing, you then use the backing as a template, fold it in half to establish it's center and with careful measurement you fix it to the panel using masking tape. You remove the backing from each letter and place them back into the template, they stick, you then remove the backing template.

[pete.g]

Baz99 said:

You use a scalpel to cut the letters out of the backing, you then use the backing as a template, fold it in half to establish it's center and with careful measurement you fix it to the panel using masking tape. You remove the backing from each letter and place them back into the template, they stick, you then remove the backing template.

I think the post from Stirlings above points out that this method won't work, as the spacing on the backing is not the same as the spacing on the car, hence the frame and template.

If you can find a car with the lettering in place, then it should be possible to make your own template out of card, using it as a guide and lining up with the edge of the tailgate, only the 'S' doesn't have a straight left edge, so rectangles would do the job.

[Baz99]

Ah OK, I guess it depends on where you get the decals. I'm sure that it shouldn't be to difficult to obtain a pressure template from a car at a dealers or OPC or local owner.

[Pugley]

There's an age old technique of "Brass Rubbing" that could be used to locate the logo.

All you need to do is sneak up on an unsuspecting model, do the rubbing thing, and disappear into the night with your freebee template.

Simples

[Stirlings]

Slippydiff said:

SkinnyPete said:

Holy crap! So how much do you charge the customer, badge + labour?

I'd hazard a guess at "probably more than you'd be willing to pay".....
But I'd imagine when his company apply the badges, they most likely look like they've been fitted by the factory AND as a result of having the correct jig, it's done right first time.Every time. Either way, the cost to benefit ratio stacks up.

I sell cars not repair them, so no charge
if you look at the rear of a 991, if you repaint a rear bumper you need new badges so the only way to position the badges correctly was to buy the frame and template, not the cheapest solution, but the only way to get the desired result

[andy355]

Some years ago but i had turbo badge changed on my 997.1 during a service and I don't think OPc charged for the fitting at all. So maybe worth checking. Was OPc west or east London I think

Was originally a white badge on a white car so I changed to th standard silver

[craigjm]