Swapping E-type for 2 Porsches, is it possible?
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Hi all
I've been thinking for a while of selling my 1967 Jaguar E-type series 1 FHC as it doesn't get used as much as I'd like and I am looking into the possibility of buying 2 Porsches. Even though I've never owned a Porsche before I've had a long term love affair with 1970's 911's and also the 993 Turbo which to me is one of the best looking Porsches of all time. However my budget isn't going to stretch to buying both a Turbo and 70's 911 so I was wondering what would be a good combo for a budget of maybe £100-110k?
I would like a classic 70's looking Porsche that could maybe be a project car, something I can put my stamp on and build to my tastes over a period of time. I particularly like the RSR wide body look so what sort of base car would you guys recommend for that type of build? Would you go for a 70's 911, a 912 or look to backdate a newer car and what are the rough costs I'd be looking at for a base car in fair condition? I think for this car I wouldn't be looking for an original, numbers matching collector car etc but to be able to build something with classic looks, that's fun to drive and something you want to use for that special Sunday drive
As for the 993 I want this to be something I can use more frequently and something that is generally more comfortable and usable but still great to drive and more factory original in appearance. I'd love a turbo but what sort of money do these go for? Also from the 993 family what other wide body variations did Porsche make and is there a particular model that stands out as a good alternative to the turbo that might fall into my budget?
Any help much appreciated
Thanks
Trev
I've been thinking for a while of selling my 1967 Jaguar E-type series 1 FHC as it doesn't get used as much as I'd like and I am looking into the possibility of buying 2 Porsches. Even though I've never owned a Porsche before I've had a long term love affair with 1970's 911's and also the 993 Turbo which to me is one of the best looking Porsches of all time. However my budget isn't going to stretch to buying both a Turbo and 70's 911 so I was wondering what would be a good combo for a budget of maybe £100-110k?
I would like a classic 70's looking Porsche that could maybe be a project car, something I can put my stamp on and build to my tastes over a period of time. I particularly like the RSR wide body look so what sort of base car would you guys recommend for that type of build? Would you go for a 70's 911, a 912 or look to backdate a newer car and what are the rough costs I'd be looking at for a base car in fair condition? I think for this car I wouldn't be looking for an original, numbers matching collector car etc but to be able to build something with classic looks, that's fun to drive and something you want to use for that special Sunday drive
As for the 993 I want this to be something I can use more frequently and something that is generally more comfortable and usable but still great to drive and more factory original in appearance. I'd love a turbo but what sort of money do these go for? Also from the 993 family what other wide body variations did Porsche make and is there a particular model that stands out as a good alternative to the turbo that might fall into my budget?
Any help much appreciated
Thanks
Trev
I think your unlikely to get two porsche of the type your looking at for the budget. Restoring one is an expensive business much more than your e type due to the cost of parts mainly so almost certainly wiser to get something that needs a refresh or less work.
Buying a 912 will save a chunk but imo its not a cut price 911.
Occasionally you will find an 80s 3,2 carrera that has been made to look like a 60,s version and from what you say buying one of these maybe what your looking for and expect to pay upwards of £60k for a nice one.
Coupe manuals are the most sought after.
I have had a number of 993,s and a C4 coupe is the one I liked the most , a turbo will eat your budget and for me I prefer the normally aspirated look and sound. A turbo in its day was all about the performance really.
Buying a 912 will save a chunk but imo its not a cut price 911.
Occasionally you will find an 80s 3,2 carrera that has been made to look like a 60,s version and from what you say buying one of these maybe what your looking for and expect to pay upwards of £60k for a nice one.
Coupe manuals are the most sought after.
I have had a number of 993,s and a C4 coupe is the one I liked the most , a turbo will eat your budget and for me I prefer the normally aspirated look and sound. A turbo in its day was all about the performance really.
Edited by kilarney on Saturday 5th August 15:30
Wow that is a challenge!
Project car first, I think that you really need a half decent starter if you were to put ££££'s into making it your own as at least when you do get rid of it then it will have some value rather than being built from a wreck. Your best bet will probably be a 80's 3.2 and just pre date it which will be mid £30k's.
993 wise the Carrera(2)S and the Carrera 4S were both turbo wide bodied but will be looking at late £60k's for starters with cars that have done 80k or so miles.
If you want one that you want to use more than I would buy a cheaper non turbo bodied 993 that won't be so sensitive on the miles.
This manual targa is very well priced and would be a good investment for a few years as I know a local specialist has just sold one with the same miles for £57k.
It is Midnight blue not Lapis blue.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
993 turbos are well over £100k now and the boat has sailed on the years that they were mid £50k's with 964 turbos following that would still just be in your price range.
I think that a 993 and an old 911 will be a bit to similar so what about a nice 996 C4S for mid £30k's or even a 996 turbo for mid £40k's+ as that way they are still old enough and will make the old 911 feel a bit more special whilst being special in their own right?
This manual 996 Turbo from a very good Porsche Specialist in Lapis blue that looks amazing in the sunlight would be a good choice with good mileage and sought after manual it would potentially allow £60k or so towards the 'Project 911' whilst enjoying having a Turbo to play with!
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
All imho and am sure others would argue my choice.
Good luck and keep posted on your decisions.
Project car first, I think that you really need a half decent starter if you were to put ££££'s into making it your own as at least when you do get rid of it then it will have some value rather than being built from a wreck. Your best bet will probably be a 80's 3.2 and just pre date it which will be mid £30k's.
993 wise the Carrera(2)S and the Carrera 4S were both turbo wide bodied but will be looking at late £60k's for starters with cars that have done 80k or so miles.
If you want one that you want to use more than I would buy a cheaper non turbo bodied 993 that won't be so sensitive on the miles.
This manual targa is very well priced and would be a good investment for a few years as I know a local specialist has just sold one with the same miles for £57k.
It is Midnight blue not Lapis blue.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
993 turbos are well over £100k now and the boat has sailed on the years that they were mid £50k's with 964 turbos following that would still just be in your price range.
I think that a 993 and an old 911 will be a bit to similar so what about a nice 996 C4S for mid £30k's or even a 996 turbo for mid £40k's+ as that way they are still old enough and will make the old 911 feel a bit more special whilst being special in their own right?
This manual 996 Turbo from a very good Porsche Specialist in Lapis blue that looks amazing in the sunlight would be a good choice with good mileage and sought after manual it would potentially allow £60k or so towards the 'Project 911' whilst enjoying having a Turbo to play with!
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2017...
All imho and am sure others would argue my choice.
Good luck and keep posted on your decisions.
A 993 Turbo will swallow your budget. Personally not the best 911 driving experience by far.
Normally aspirated 993 would make a nice regular drive. What are they now. £50K for a good one. Maybe more. Pre 73 as a project car start with a 911T as they are the cheapest at what £70K for a good one. As for going RSR depending on just how far you want to go towards the original £100K plus to build.
personally I think the best value old school 911 out there at the moment is the 3.2 Carrera. You could go supersport to get the turbo body. Tasteful back dates could be done. With all of this stuff from 993 and earlier rot no different to your E Type is the enemy and can consume a big wad to put right.
Normally aspirated 993 would make a nice regular drive. What are they now. £50K for a good one. Maybe more. Pre 73 as a project car start with a 911T as they are the cheapest at what £70K for a good one. As for going RSR depending on just how far you want to go towards the original £100K plus to build.
personally I think the best value old school 911 out there at the moment is the 3.2 Carrera. You could go supersport to get the turbo body. Tasteful back dates could be done. With all of this stuff from 993 and earlier rot no different to your E Type is the enemy and can consume a big wad to put right.
Thanks all for the info so far. So it looks like 2 cars might well be a stretch and I just couldn't see me spending £100k+ for a 993 turbo no matter how good they are but understand the market has moved on a lot in the past few years and they are very collectable.
For the older car the 3.2 might have some potential as a project car so that's certainly something to look at in more detail which leaves the gap of something possibly more modern. I just can't see me buying a 996, they just don't do it for me personally. I could look at a nice 997 or 997.2 but I'd find it hard to not be swayed by an Aston Martin V8 Vantage for that age and price bracket of car and I've been there and done that already.
Trev
For the older car the 3.2 might have some potential as a project car so that's certainly something to look at in more detail which leaves the gap of something possibly more modern. I just can't see me buying a 996, they just don't do it for me personally. I could look at a nice 997 or 997.2 but I'd find it hard to not be swayed by an Aston Martin V8 Vantage for that age and price bracket of car and I've been there and done that already.
Trev
The earlier post on similarity between 993 and earlier cars is correct. I would buy a decent 996 GT3 for £70K or so or even the 996 Turbo S at Targa Florio, which is rare and very competent. As an owner of a Lapis 996T I can confirm the colour is unbeatable in the sun.
You'd then have one excellent car. I suspect you can find an older car of modest provenance for sub £40K for fiddling with.
You'd then have one excellent car. I suspect you can find an older car of modest provenance for sub £40K for fiddling with.
ScienceTeacher said:
PS Not convinced by any Aston over 911 at any price point. A 997.2 is a splendid choice of car.
I nearly bought a 997.1 Carrera S a few years ago as I thought it was the perfect car but then had a test drive in an Aston V8 Vantage and was sold. It might not be a better car dynamically but sounded fantastic, was beautiful and the feel good factor was for me off the chart. It definitely felt like a big tick off my life achievements list. But I do now have a Porsche itch that needs scratching. A 993 2S or 4S plus a 987 Boxster would be well within your budget, and a lovely combo.
Even a NB 993 has the lovely wide hips, will hold or possibly appreciate and a good one can be had for around 45K. Don't be put off by high ish miles with these. Buy on condition and service history.
The 987 Boxster is particularly good value.
You could have both of these fantastic Porsches and still have more than 30K change from 100K.
Even a NB 993 has the lovely wide hips, will hold or possibly appreciate and a good one can be had for around 45K. Don't be put off by high ish miles with these. Buy on condition and service history.
The 987 Boxster is particularly good value.
You could have both of these fantastic Porsches and still have more than 30K change from 100K.
Edited by Solarized on Sunday 6th August 20:58
It all comes back to what you want to drive, which you enjoy. Well unless they are just for looking at. A 993 versus a GT3 is just chalk and cheese.
For me the starting point is wrong. What two porches can I get for a £100k is a really strange question! Why not 'which 3 can I get'?
So for me I'd start with working out what I wanted to drive... from an early air-cooled to latest kettles. I've been driving round in my new to me 69T and I love it to bits!
Bert
For me the starting point is wrong. What two porches can I get for a £100k is a really strange question! Why not 'which 3 can I get'?
So for me I'd start with working out what I wanted to drive... from an early air-cooled to latest kettles. I've been driving round in my new to me 69T and I love it to bits!
Bert
Agree. If you're not using the E-type (too fragile?) than why would you use two Porsches (more practical?)
With two you also add Insurance x2, MOTs x2, RFL x2 (depending on age), Servicing & Maintenance x2,.......
One leaves more resources for the individual car.
I love the classic Porsches, but some of the contemporary cars are utterly fantastic, and totally useable. Your budget would give you lots of options.
With two you also add Insurance x2, MOTs x2, RFL x2 (depending on age), Servicing & Maintenance x2,.......
One leaves more resources for the individual car.
I love the classic Porsches, but some of the contemporary cars are utterly fantastic, and totally useable. Your budget would give you lots of options.
Buy a good, standard 993 Carrera 2 or Carrera 4 and see how you get on. £50k probably for all issues done (a/c, screen rust, suspension refresh, rear tinware and bumper supports, clutch) - the standard car's rear does look good, just washed mine yesterday. Money in the bank. You can use it on a regular basis (with new clutch and working a/c).
Always better to buy someone else's completed project. My opinion if you wanted a car to fettle, is just to keep it straight. 'One man's dream' and all that. Maybe wait for fall-out from today's market and buy plain vanilla early rubber-bumper car to gradually tinker with and put away. Rust is the enemy.
Always better to buy someone else's completed project. My opinion if you wanted a car to fettle, is just to keep it straight. 'One man's dream' and all that. Maybe wait for fall-out from today's market and buy plain vanilla early rubber-bumper car to gradually tinker with and put away. Rust is the enemy.
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