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Very nice Pete, have fun getting used to the car.
Just looking at the pic, I wonder how long it will be before you fit some large ovals on the back?
It seems to sit well for a TT from that angle, does it have non standard suspension? Hopefully, then that is something else you will not have to fit...modding a Turbo has to be one of the slippiest slopes out there
Just looking at the pic, I wonder how long it will be before you fit some large ovals on the back?
It seems to sit well for a TT from that angle, does it have non standard suspension? Hopefully, then that is something else you will not have to fit...modding a Turbo has to be one of the slippiest slopes out there
Thanks guys!
Wow, what a motor. Paul, it sits like that because of some techart wheel spacers (i have the TUV certificate!) which are 18mm a piece and on all four corners. I just spent an hour taking them off. On full compression i was getting rubbing on the rear arches. Ebay, here i come.
As for 993 C2 vs 993 C4S vs 993TT:
The C4S is a TT without the power, so i'll concentrate on the other two.
1. Steering - feel on TT is no different really to C2, apart from perhaps slightly sharper turn in and slight tramlining. I can only assume that the loss of feel from the 4wd is compensated by the lower and stiffer suspension and bigger wheels, coupled with less flex from the sidewalls.
2. Suspension - awesome, like the C4S in every way. Control is phenomenal, in acceleration, braking, and cornering. Only downside is a fidgety low speed ride. What you don't notice though is less float above 70mph (officer!) than the C2.
3. Brakes - Big reds feel a little more powerful than the C2 standard brakes, but on the public road there's nothing in it. However, once you take into account that you can achieve higher speeds between corner speeds, the faultless and consistent retardation is a massive confidence booster.
4. The big one - power delivery - The C2, much like my C4S, feels wonderful. Throttle response is telepathic, there is ample torque to get you up to 4500rpm from when the fireworks begin. The combination of urge and noise conspire to make you lose your licence. Note, i had RSR's on both cars.
This is where the turbo sets itself apart. There is again ample torque for daily driving without encroaching on the boost at all. You cancertainly keep up with the quickest modern day traffic with no "assistance". Once you step beyond 3000rpm and the first half of the throttle travel, you move into playstation territory. As the boost builds (takes a little over a second to go from quick to insane) you are overwhelmed by the force pushing you into your seat.
It's true what they say, torque IS everything for a road car.
This feeling doesn't relent at all. First gear is a waste of time, you can pull away in second with ease and then hit the floor at 3k rpm. You'll have to be quick though, because third and fourth come and go in no time. Fifth sees a slight relaxation of the neck muscles - you can keep your head off the headrest without summoning ALL your strength - until you change into 6th at approx 145mph. Only at this point does the acceleration allow you to breath properly again. All the while you have been watching the speedo needle sweep, it only now occurs that the noise you were waiting for has failed to arrive. The brutality of the acceleration accomplished is somehow at odds with the sensations from your ears. There is very little boost noise, very little exhaust noise, and very little engine noise.
Having only had the car for a day, my summary is this:
The 993 C2 is a sublime daily driver. Comfortable, fast, and encourages you to use the gearbox and the rev range. Suspension control only shows signs of getting ragged at the limit on the less-than-perfect roads of this country.
The Turbo moves things on to a whole new playing field. As a fast cruiser, you can leave everything else in your wake without going past half revs, and without ever using full boost. It is quiet and comfortable but you are always aware of the beast that lurks within. Once you unleash said beast, you will need both hands on the steering wheel, not to contain any torque steer (none noticeable in the dry) but so that you don't fall through the back of your seat!
Anyone who says the C2 is the better car (and many have said it in the motoring press) has missed the point. The turbo can indeed be all things to all men, and it's all at the whim of your right foot.
Any questions?
VS
Wow, what a motor. Paul, it sits like that because of some techart wheel spacers (i have the TUV certificate!) which are 18mm a piece and on all four corners. I just spent an hour taking them off. On full compression i was getting rubbing on the rear arches. Ebay, here i come.
As for 993 C2 vs 993 C4S vs 993TT:
The C4S is a TT without the power, so i'll concentrate on the other two.
1. Steering - feel on TT is no different really to C2, apart from perhaps slightly sharper turn in and slight tramlining. I can only assume that the loss of feel from the 4wd is compensated by the lower and stiffer suspension and bigger wheels, coupled with less flex from the sidewalls.
2. Suspension - awesome, like the C4S in every way. Control is phenomenal, in acceleration, braking, and cornering. Only downside is a fidgety low speed ride. What you don't notice though is less float above 70mph (officer!) than the C2.
3. Brakes - Big reds feel a little more powerful than the C2 standard brakes, but on the public road there's nothing in it. However, once you take into account that you can achieve higher speeds between corner speeds, the faultless and consistent retardation is a massive confidence booster.
4. The big one - power delivery - The C2, much like my C4S, feels wonderful. Throttle response is telepathic, there is ample torque to get you up to 4500rpm from when the fireworks begin. The combination of urge and noise conspire to make you lose your licence. Note, i had RSR's on both cars.
This is where the turbo sets itself apart. There is again ample torque for daily driving without encroaching on the boost at all. You cancertainly keep up with the quickest modern day traffic with no "assistance". Once you step beyond 3000rpm and the first half of the throttle travel, you move into playstation territory. As the boost builds (takes a little over a second to go from quick to insane) you are overwhelmed by the force pushing you into your seat.
It's true what they say, torque IS everything for a road car.
This feeling doesn't relent at all. First gear is a waste of time, you can pull away in second with ease and then hit the floor at 3k rpm. You'll have to be quick though, because third and fourth come and go in no time. Fifth sees a slight relaxation of the neck muscles - you can keep your head off the headrest without summoning ALL your strength - until you change into 6th at approx 145mph. Only at this point does the acceleration allow you to breath properly again. All the while you have been watching the speedo needle sweep, it only now occurs that the noise you were waiting for has failed to arrive. The brutality of the acceleration accomplished is somehow at odds with the sensations from your ears. There is very little boost noise, very little exhaust noise, and very little engine noise.
Having only had the car for a day, my summary is this:
The 993 C2 is a sublime daily driver. Comfortable, fast, and encourages you to use the gearbox and the rev range. Suspension control only shows signs of getting ragged at the limit on the less-than-perfect roads of this country.
The Turbo moves things on to a whole new playing field. As a fast cruiser, you can leave everything else in your wake without going past half revs, and without ever using full boost. It is quiet and comfortable but you are always aware of the beast that lurks within. Once you unleash said beast, you will need both hands on the steering wheel, not to contain any torque steer (none noticeable in the dry) but so that you don't fall through the back of your seat!
Anyone who says the C2 is the better car (and many have said it in the motoring press) has missed the point. The turbo can indeed be all things to all men, and it's all at the whim of your right foot.
Any questions?
VS
I'll let you into a little secret. This feeling doesn't go away. I've just taken my baby for a quick blast to clear out the cobwebs ready for the car limits day on Tuesday and the car feels every bit, no, more special than when I first bought it 19 months ago.
Couple of tips; keep tyre pressures at 36/44 cold and pop a set of gt3 seats in. Oh, and don't forget to let it idle for a couple of minutes before shut down.
Couple of tips; keep tyre pressures at 36/44 cold and pop a set of gt3 seats in. Oh, and don't forget to let it idle for a couple of minutes before shut down.
Alan,
I've got 8 way adjustable heated passenger seat, and 12 way heated drivers seat. With my less-tahn-perfect back, i'll be keeping the seats i have.
I have never owned a turbo before, but i know about simmering. I shall either drive the last few miles home off boost, or let it idle for 4 or 5 minutes when i arrive. Thanks for the tip on pressure though, and bring a set of indicators to Bedford!
VS
I've got 8 way adjustable heated passenger seat, and 12 way heated drivers seat. With my less-tahn-perfect back, i'll be keeping the seats i have.
I have never owned a turbo before, but i know about simmering. I shall either drive the last few miles home off boost, or let it idle for 4 or 5 minutes when i arrive. Thanks for the tip on pressure though, and bring a set of indicators to Bedford!
VS
paultje said:
VS it looks lovely..!!...you've gone the path that I've been considering. I'm very fond of my C2 and a bit loathed to let it go, so it would have to be a very special car for me to part with it.
Did you drive many TTs & did they vary a lot??
PJ, drove a few TT's and did "the test". 3000rpm, 3rd gear, floor it. It should hit 0.8 bar in a second or two. If it only hits 0.5 there's something wrong.
All three cars hit 0.8 bar and all drove just the same. Porsche build quality was still the dogs danglies when they built the 993 TT's, no question.
If you're nearby (you can't be far away, i'm near Wokingham) come round and try my passenger seat. I should warn you though, there's no question what you'll say when you get out - "I WANT ONE!!!".
Oh, by the way, it's far too easy to spin all 4 wheels in 2nd gear when it's wet as the boost comes in. Virtually new S02's all round too!
VS
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