993 C4 or 997 GTS Stick or twist!!

[waiteu2]

Here goes.
Having a spot of bother with deciding what to do with the 993.
Its a black manual C4. spent quite a few quid getting it tip top condition.New KV3 suspension/rocker covers/clutch/door straps addressed/scuttle addressed.new windscreen seals/becker stereo/full specialist and dealer history. In all a pretty much sorted car.69k miles.
Now the issue is i had a White 997 GTS previously which i traded towards a V10 Lambo which is a keeper for now.That GTS was a car that really hit the spot and got under my skin.

So the question I'm putting out there is do i chop the 993 in for a similar spec car to my previous GTS i.e. PDK/circa 20k miles/leather dash/sports chrono plus/switchable exhaust etc.

Im guessing add around £20k to the deal or am i wide of the mark? Which do you think will hold its price the better (bear in mind the GTS would be PDK as its a stretch to a low miles manual)?

Craig

Edited by waiteu2 on Monday 9th April 22:59

[Wozy68]

Just to throw a spanner in the works .......

I had a Cayman S for four days as a courtesy car. PDK with all the trimmings. The first modern Porsche I really enjoyed driving and far better IMO with the extra horses over the standard car I had last year. PDK made morse sense with the extra 50HP.

I was that impressed that I seriously considered chopping in my 993 for one (C2 manual).

Saying that, for me I'd be looking at a GTS with a manual box..... mainly just because the GTS exists, and I just prefer a manual

[Cheib]

waiteu2 said:

Im guessing add around £20k to the deal or am i wide of the mark? Which do you think will hold its price the better (bear in mind the GTS would be PDK as its a stretch to a low miles manual)?

Edited by waiteu2 on Monday 9th April 22:59

I think your manual 993 will hold it's value better than a PDK GTS....but I think a manual GTS will be fine.

PDK box in the 997 is already starting to show it's age and I am sure the new PDK in the 992 will move things on again. Ergo I think the pricing differential in a 997 GTS Manual vs PDK gets bigger....there are less manual cars and as you can already see they are the cars in demand. More expensive to buy but cheaper to own....

If you're anywhere near South Bucks I have a manual 997 GTS

[waiteu2]

^^ Thanks for the replies.
Thats a great offer Cheib thank you.
Im in Sheffield so quite a way away.
I did have a manual 997.1 C4S which was brilliant but not a contender as in keeping an eye on residuals.I guess a manual GTS is the car i really want but in reality id have to get a sale at 50k on the 993 which should be achievable then looking at around 35k to get the GTS. I'm thinking thats not too far away from a 997 C2 manual anyway and i keep the 993 too.
I'll keep looking at the GTS manuals and see if anyones open to offers!(Doubtful as theres just not the choice available!)

[waiteu2]

Whats the consensus on the Hexagon car with low miles.Other than price and its a 4WD it looks a good one?
Pretty sure this was tried at nearly 100k then reduced to 85k. Would a cheeky offer at 25-30k and the 993 be silly?

[Kananga]

Haven’t hexagon been trying to corner th GTS market and keep prices artificially high ?

I do wonder if a GTS is really worth the current premium over a nice condition 997.2 C2S...

[Cheib]

That car was £100k so theyve obviously not had the slightest sniff on it to reduce it to that price. Personally 4wd I don’t see the need for it unless its a daily driver and you’re doing a lot of driving in bad conditions...and even then Id take a 2wd car with winter tyres over 4wd. Changed the driving experiience and also takes away a major USP of the GTS. Its the only wide body 2wd 997 apart from the .2 RS.

Also doesnt have alcantara which regardiess of what people is another USP of the GTS and makes a difference on re-sale. I popped into JZM a month or so ago to look at 981 Spyder’s...they were very interested in my car because its the right spec. 2wd, alcantara, leather dash etc.

Also buying a car with that mileage if you’re going to use it will cost you. Cars with higher mileage do come up and are much cheaper...I’d say a 50k mile car would be £60k at somewhere like 911V or JZM. There was a high mileage manual car on ebay recently which sold for low £50k’s.

[waiteu2]

Good points as i would miss the Alcantara.
I think I've become obsessed with low milage cars which would put me in a position similar the Gallardo which is sub 10k miles and hence often take the 993 out on a weekend to keep the miles off that! Bonkers when i think about it.
On the other hand putting 2-3k miles a year on the Hexagon car would still leave it sub 15k miles after 3 years ownership.
Swings and roundabouts but something to ponder over i suppose.

[nickpan]

I test drove a Cayman 981 GTS over the weekend in PDK guise and thought it was wonderful. Especially the noise.

I’d have to trade in my 993 C2 in though and I’m
convinced I’d regret it in 6 months time.

[jonttt]

I would never chop a. Sorted 993 in for a 997 especially if you have a other sports cars. And whoever said above that a 993 would cost you money in maintenance when its already sorted by the sounds of it is off his head, they are one of the cheapest cars around to run period without even factoring in appreciation. I’ve just got mine back on the road after 18 months in storage, started first time, ran it around for 30 min before taking it in for an MOT and it flew through. They welcome not being used surprisingly well, it feels like I’ve been driving it every day.

I thought the best combo of fun cars for me was 993, BGTS and 488 spider but its the spider thats gone first.

Look into the 981 GTS and keep the 993, you’ll have more fun than in a 997 GTS, residuals will be as strong, it sounds better, look better, is more modern, cheaper and more fun to drive. You obviously don’t need 4 seats so its a no brainer to me ;-)

[Cheib]

jonttt said:

...whoever said above that a 993 would cost you money in maintenance when its already sorted by the sounds of it is off his head, they are one of the cheapest cars around to run period without even factoring in appreciation. I’ve just got mine back on the road after 18 months in storage, started first time, ran it around for 30 min before taking it in for an MOT and it flew through. They welcome not being used surprisingly well...

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I've got a couple of friends that own 993's both have owned them for a long time (10 years plus) and neither think they're up...one owns a C2 and one a Targa. Both cars have doubled or more in that time but both easily think maintenance over that time has eaten up all of that appreciation. They budget £2k a year on average but both have had big bills which probably mean that £2k a year is maybe optimistic over than ten year period. The guy with the targa wants to do a glass out respray but the number quoted means it's not remotely sensible!

[Kananga]

Cheib said:

I've got a couple of friends that own 993's both have owned them for a long time (10 years plus) and neither think they're up...one owns a C2 and one a Targa. Both cars have doubled or more in that time but both easily think maintenance over that time has eaten up all of that appreciation. They budget £2k a year on average but both have had big bills which probably mean that £2k a year is maybe optimistic over than ten year period. The guy with the targa wants to do a glass out respray but the number quoted means it's not remotely sensible!

Makes sense. To keep these in top condition does take some £££. I’ve had a bare metal respray, full interior retrim, currently having suspension refresh.... I dare not look at the total of the various invoices!! But I’m hoping that once the latest bits are done, it shouldn’t want for any big bills anytime soon... ?

[Wozy68]

Cheib said:

jonttt said:

...whoever said above that a 993 would cost you money in maintenance when its already sorted by the sounds of it is off his head, they are one of the cheapest cars around to run period without even factoring in appreciation. I’ve just got mine back on the road after 18 months in storage, started first time, ran it around for 30 min before taking it in for an MOT and it flew through. They welcome not being used surprisingly well...

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I've got a couple of friends that own 993's both have owned them for a long time (10 years plus) and neither think they're up...one owns a C2 and one a Targa. Both cars have doubled or more in that time but both easily think maintenance over that time has eaten up all of that appreciation. They budget £2k a year on average but both have had big bills which probably mean that £2k a year is maybe optimistic over than ten year period. The guy with the targa wants to do a glass out respray but the number quoted means it's not remotely sensible!

My 993 was bought for £18K now worth around £38-40K . I've spent over the last six years north of £16K on her, so hardly cheap running. Very low owner car, full history. .... Saying that I am a little OCD with her.

Ref glass out paint. Find a back street shop with a good rep, they do exist. I've been quoted £3.5K for a repray...... Obviously that would mount up if rust is found, but other than the scuttles and/if chassis leg rot,(found on some out there but not all, and not mine) the 993 is leaps ahead compared to earlier 911s and their issues with rot...